Zenitram:venom bushmaster

[vapor_skank]

just wondering what you all think of this bushie..... I think it looks trick as hell but many of my friends say its a little much.. Just wanted your opion . Theres no pricing up yet but ive been talking to them and it will be around $900-1000 many options on colors and other goodies........

http://www.zenitram-mfg.com/


if your retarded and cant find it. On that site go to products, then markers, then venom bushmaster

[ShootPaint]

Here is the list they give for the upgrades on the marker.

Contour milled body
(dont really care for the milling)

Polished Bore
Basically Vapor mod

Zenitram 15 degree ASA
looks nice, how does it feel?

Zenitram high flow valve
Oversized high pressure chamber means custom valve. What is the effcentcy now?

Zenitram bolt
What is special about this bolt? For the most part the stock bolt is pretty hard to beat.

Zenitram 45 Grip or Z grip (Z grip licensed by AGD)
Looks like a cross bewteen the old ripper frames and the old ICD frame

Dye sticky grips (45 grip only)
What can be said here. They are Dye Stickies you can go wrong

Zenitram LPR adapter w/ rock reg.
Good mod. The Rock is a much better reg than the stock. To many benifits to go into in this thread

Tantrum Chip(modified Chaos, more benefits (it can be set to fire 20 bps in full auto))
20 BPS nothing fancy. The Chaos can do the same thing. The only added upgrade to the Tantrum chip is the Tantrum firing mode and BPS trigger selection

Larger high pressure chamber
Hopefully this will reduce shootdown, if one was ever to experience this.

Autococker Threads
I think this mod is a little over hyped anymore. Almost every barrel manufacturer out there makes ICD barrels now. You will find a few that dont, but they are few and far between

Feed Size Options: Medium or High Rise
Personal opinion{What to do low rise or high rise} Nice choice to have to make

Barrel options: Dye or CP
Either would be a nice barrel, but what price do they come at???

Optional PDS (not available yet)
Just the PDS from the B2K3???

Optional custom anodize
How much does optional

Assembled and tuned by Bushmaster techs. Mike Noble (Shrubmeister) or Tank of OBDO.net
Should be a good thing?!?!?!

After reading through each line I can see the beneifit of the marker. I just questions the price. I am sure that the custom milling and custom ANO job will set off quite a bit of the cost, but how much are you paying for that? The items listed are readily availible for the B2K's. Would you have a cheaper priced marker if you bought the parts and put them on a standard body???

$900-1000
Just not going to have it. To expensive when I can accomplish everthing tha tis being offered with this marker, on a stock 2K3.

This is just my opinion. Take it as you will.

[overbear]

Its very clear you don't have a working grasp of the bushmaster at all. Lets break down what you got wrong shall we.


Originally posted by ShootPaint
Here is the list they give for the upgrades on the marker.

Polished Bore
Basically Vapor mod
Not only does this rase your effcentcy, it alows lower presure and smoother flow. Well worth the mods.

Zenitram 15 degree ASA
looks nice, how does it feel?
including "how does it feel" as a negative comment proves you have no understaning of the marker. Go out and try it first, it works well, and gives a more stable grip.

Zenitram high flow valve
Oversized high pressure chamber means custom valve. What is the effcentcy now?
The new valve works with the new bolt to alow maxium flow of air.

Zenitram bolt
What is special about this bolt? For the most part the stock bolt is pretty hard to beat.
Again this shows your lack of clear understanding. The stock bolt is OK, not great, just OK. You want more flow, less blowback, and smoother movement you change out.

Zenitram LPR adapter w/ rock reg.
Good mod. The Rock is a much better reg than the stock. To many benifits to go into in this thread

Assembled and tuned by Bushmaster techs. Mike Noble (Shrubmeister) or Tank of OBDO.net
Should be a good thing?!?!?!
yes its a good thing, where you been liveing? Under a rock? Mike Noble is one of the top tuners for the bushmaster in the state. Give him your marker and it comes back singing. Tank is also quite good from what I hear. With that kind of tuning power behind it, you should be willing to pay extra knowing your getting the best you can.

After reading through each line I can see the beneifit of the marker. I just questions the price. I am sure that the custom milling and custom ANO job will set off quite a bit of the cost, but how much are you paying for that? The items listed are readily availible for the B2K's. Would you have a cheaper priced marker if you bought the parts and put them on a standard body???
Not all of the parts are going to be readily available for other markers. Don't spew what you don't know ok. It makes you look quite foolish in the eyes of people who have the facts right.

$900-1000
Just not going to have it. To expensive when I can accomplish everthing tha tis being offered with this marker, on a stock 2K3.
Lets add up things here. I have a Zen grip, zeg asa, vapor bolt/valve/LPR adaptor. Rock LPR, palmer stab, tuned by mike noble, chaos chip, 8th gen body, PDS, and custom color. I have well above $1000 into it now. So if we look at facts, your going to get a great custom marker, for a even greater price.

This is just my opinion. Take it as you will.

I think we have shown your opinion is lacking in fact, and just plain stinks. Take that as you will

[ShootPaint]

Originally posted by overbear
Its very clear you don't have a working grasp of the bushmaster at all. Lets break down what you got wrong shall we.

Originally posted by ShootPaint
Here is the list they give for the upgrades on the marker.

Polished Bore
Basically Vapor mod
Not only does this rase your effcentcy, it alows lower presure and smoother flow. Well worth the mods.
I do believe I said this is the same basic thing as the Vapor mod. I didnt go into the details. I understand completely what the mod does.

Zenitram 15 degree ASA
looks nice, how does it feel?
including "how does it feel" as a negative comment proves you have no understaning of the marker. Go out and try it first, it works well, and gives a more stable grip.
My comment was not ment to be negative in anyway. I stated it looks good how does it feel. It is as simple as that. I have not had the chance to try the grip out!!!

Zenitram high flow valve
Oversized high pressure chamber means custom valve. What is the effcentcy now?
The new valve works with the new bolt to alow maxium flow of air.
It may increase the flow, but does it do it at the price of sacraficed efficentcy. Just because something flows better doesnt mean it is better. For the part to be more efficent it must allow the same amount of air through a given area in a lower amount of time. If the volume of air that passes through this area in the same amount of time is greater then this would mean the valve uses a higher volume of gas and is now less efficent, but none the less lower pressure!

Zenitram bolt
What is special about this bolt? For the most part the stock bolt is pretty hard to beat.
Again this shows your lack of clear understanding. The stock bolt is OK, not great, just OK. You want more flow, less blowback, and smoother movement you change out.
Are you reading what I posted? For the most part the stock bolt is pretty hard to beat. This is for the most part! Obviously one can replace the bolt with another for higher flow, orings to reduce blow back, or venturi for the dispursed air flow to the ball. Will someone gain enough from the replacement of the bolt to justify the cost of it?

Zenitram LPR adapter w/ rock reg.
Good mod. The Rock is a much better reg than the stock. To many benifits to go into in this thread

Assembled and tuned by Bushmaster techs. Mike Noble (Shrubmeister) or Tank of OBDO.net
Should be a good thing?!?!?!
yes its a good thing, where you been liveing? Under a rock? Mike Noble is one of the top tuners for the bushmaster in the state. Give him your marker and it comes back singing. Tank is also quite good from what I hear. With that kind of tuning power behind it, you should be willing to pay extra knowing your getting the best you can.
Cant speak for either persons work. I have never required their assistance on the repair or tuning of my marker. Notice the !?!?!? This is my way of stating I think it would be a good thing but I am not sure. See above if you dont understand why I am not sure.

After reading through each line I can see the beneifit of the marker. I just questions the price. I am sure that the custom milling and custom ANO job will set off quite a bit of the cost, but how much are you paying for that? The items listed are readily availible for the B2K's. Would you have a cheaper priced marker if you bought the parts and put them on a standard body???
Not all of the parts are going to be readily available for other markers. Don't spew what you don't know ok. It makes you look quite foolish in the eyes of people who have the facts right.

What isnt availible for other markers? You can purchase the following with no problems:
Tantrum Chip or Chaos
Zgrip (dont know about the other not listed at their site last time I was there).
You can get the 15 Degree ASA
The hpr is stock so it wont be hard to come by.
The rock mod is readily availible from VaporWorks. I am pretty sure there isnt any major differences between the two.
The valve, well if the chamber is oversized this wouldnt be a drop in mod.
The bolt. Well lets see there are many availible I am sure they will preform, without testing the bolt that comes with the marker it is hard to say which one will out preform the other. I have tried three different bolts. I have not found one to flow better than the Vapor Bolt at this time.


$900-1000
Just not going to have it. To expensive when I can accomplish everthing tha tis being offered with this marker, on a stock 2K3.

Lets add up things here. I have a Zen grip, zeg asa, vapor bolt/valve/LPR adaptor. Rock LPR, palmer stab, tuned by mike noble, chaos chip, 8th gen body, PDS, and custom color. I have well above $1000 into it now. So if we look at facts, your going to get a great custom marker, for a even greater price.

This is just my opinion. Take it as you will.

I think we have shown your opinion is lacking in fact, and just plain stinks. Take that as you will

You may think what you like about my opinion. It is my opinion. I cant see buying this marker. It doesnt fit my personal taste. Again this is my opinion. I have tried zgrips and I dont care for them. I have tried 15 degree asa's on cockers and didnt like them. This marker is not a marker that would be one that I would own. I do believe the person that started this thread asked what we thought of it. This asks for an opinion and that is what I gave. Never did I degrade this marker or its parts. I only asked questions about items I didnt know about or made comments about those which I am versed in.

For you to say my opinion stinks is funny, are you sure yours isnt the one that stinks? This is an opinion based thread. How can you say that one persons opinion is better than the other?

[Dhan187]

i have delt SlickNtz and he is very reliable the fact is the thread starter asked a simple question and it was answered if you have a different opinion then start your own post overbear. I have also had problems with overbear and nothing he says is justified please don't bash everyone else cause of a difference of opinion

I wouldn't spend that much for a Bushmaster when i don't feel its worth it. the upgrades mentioned are not hard to get and probably cheaper if bought seperate