I'm sick and tired of woods talk

[Outkasted One]

All these fools, many of which call themselves "Snipers" (Mostly Tippman owners) talk about how colors other than black and a few reflective parts on you're gun are just so horrible because they give away you positions in woods. Yes, Cammo does help a lot over a brightly colored jersey, but seriously 97 percent of the time in paintball you're in a shootout with someone and not sneaking around using stealth tactics. People saying they want to buy a barrel that will make their gun quieter? come on a few decibles lower isn't going to help when you're surrounded by leaves and twigs that make a ton of noise when you walk. How many times have you said "oh! I just saw someone's chrome trigger frame, let's go get him!", or "Whoa, that was close that moron's barrel is sooo loud." Covering your gun in cammo and junk isn't going to help either fellas. Crawling around under a blanket of leaves and grass is for 2 man Navy SEAL sniper teams not paintball ok? So just cut the crap.

[IromKnight]

yes sir:rolleyes:

[-=ReD-hAzE=-]

don't mind Outkasted One everyone... he's a moron... and has not apparently played a real game of woodsball... 97% of the time in a shootout... right...:rolleyes: more like 8%

[Killer Kat]

Wow! I play woods!

[Micewheelz72]

someone missed nap time today :rolleyes:
chill.

[Azn_gansta]

i have always wanted to play real woods ball not like snipers. but like 100 acres woods games that go for hours play with some phantoms.

[Alexi1337]

I started woods, with a tippmann, covered in camo, with a quiet barrel. Today I play speedball and can hold my own if I do say so myself. There is nothing wrong with playing in the woods, its a game - and as long as you are playing safely and smartly I don't care HOW you play it. Woods, Sup Air, Rec, Hyperball, X-Ball, whatever.

[LJavelle]

fools....coming from the guy popping into the Tippmann forum and running his mouth off.

[E r y k]

jeez man, who pissed in your frosted flakes this morning...

first you go to the tippmann forum claiming your doing an "experiment"... flaming tippys...

now you come here giving me the intimation that your flaming tippys again...

chill man

eryk

[Gravity Slave]

No matter the sport or game played, there are always factions, groups and fanatics who stand by their style of play. For example: In snow sports, it is fairly well known that skiiers and snow boarders do not get along, for various and often rediculous reasons. Skiiers were of the first breed to interact with the down hill pastime come sport. Later on snowboarders made their mark in the snow (no pun intended). The two had friction ever since. It's the same with Paintball: PB started out in the woods and later came new variations of play, that being speedball/hyperball etc. While some choose to hold their distaste silently, others are very adament and vocal about their views reguardless of who is listening. I myself am more of a woodsball player, I've also played speedball before and learned it's just not my game. I found speedball was really difficult due to it's "way" too fast of a pace and constricting playing field. It's the other way around for tourney players, they seem to have the opposite problem with woodsball. I found that tourney players in general were just as horrible in the woods as a woodsball players were at tourney type fields (speedball). What we all forget is that we're all on the same side here, we are all still playing paintball, but in our own way. We all play for the same reasons, for the love of the game. I can only assume your a tourney type player outkasted, I can tell by the way you speak (hot headed). Assuming that, I'm betting your just a alittle bitter that your constantly getting eliminated in the wooded fields..especially by us Tippmann users...;)

[cocker kid 2k2]

Well, i do agree with you. But you just gotto remember that most of the people who say that are just newbies who dont really know the sport yet. And if they arent and they've been playing a long time and still think that, well thats just pretty pathetic.

[Outkasted One]

I just get mad when people say "oh good luck with your red gun in woods hee hee hee" when they have no idea that you just occasionally play woods and it really doesn't make a difference. People running around in goggle flauge, full cammo, and a cammo smothered gun with grass hanging off the barrel in rec ball where it's mostly open area just makes you look like a fool. Save the full hardcore cammo for scenario games. Guys running around in army clothes pretending to be soldiers, calling thier balls bullets, and calling hoppers magazines, are what give paintball a bad name and make the general population think all paintballers are psycotic wanna-be marines that couldn't cut it in the real army. And yeah, I geuss I was just sitting around and got pissed off for no reason. :eyes:

[Flanders]

i was playing in the woods with a birght red jersey

it's all about movement not disguise allthouhg that cna help

stay out of vision

[camo_warrior]

Oh my god... Thanks outkasted, you have changed my life.:laugh: :laugh: Now I will throw away my tippmann, olive goggles with woodland goggle skins, my camo, and 14" whisper barrel and buy a bright orange Angel, run around in bright clothes, and play on a field where you already know where everyones at. Thanks outkasted, your the greatest!:rolleyes:










Screw you

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by Outkasted One
I just get mad when people say "oh good luck with your red gun in woods hee hee hee" when they have no idea that you just occasionally play woods and it really doesn't make a difference. People running around in goggle flauge, full cammo, and a cammo smothered gun with grass hanging off the barrel in rec ball where it's mostly open area just makes you look like a fool. Save the full hardcore cammo for scenario games. Guys running around in army clothes pretending to be soldiers, calling thier balls bullets, and calling hoppers magazines, are what give paintball a bad name and make the general population think all paintballers are psycotic wanna-be marines that couldn't cut it in the real army. And yeah, I geuss I was just sitting around and got pissed off for no reason. :eyes:

Yeah, i really hate it when people talk like that too. But its how they play and how they talk(their obvious newbies) You got 2 solutions, dont play with those kinds of people, or deal with it.

[Sudden Impact]

actually...camo helps...if it didnt help, the military wouldnt use it, obviously...and our eyes spot movement, colors and pattern...so if youre trying to hide in the woods, chrome would give you away...

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by camo_warrior
Now I will throw away my tippmann, olive goggles with woodland goggle skins, my camo, and 14" whisper barrel and buy a bright orange Angel, run around in bright clothes, and play on a field where you already know where everyones at.

You mean play speedball :rolleyes:

[Sudden Impact]

I dont understand some of you people...why cant you let others just play what they want? Ive played paintball for 6 years now...Ive played many tournies, and ****loads of rec ball including woods and speedball and Ive been playing scenarios since last year...does that mean Im a newb because I like playing in the woods? NO, didnt think so...if you wanna play woodsball play it, if you wanna wear ghillie suits, wear ghillie suits...if you wanna play with milsim guns, do it...who cares? personally I use a green fly angel, is that ok with you people? or should it only see speedball fields?

live and let live, unless somebody tries getting up in your mix... ;)

[Outkasted One]

You're welcome camo_warrior

and Sudden Impact I said that camo helps in my first post.

[FireViper]

Originally posted by Outkasted One
...........Save the full hardcore cammo for scenario games. Guys running around in army clothes pretending to be soldiers, calling thier balls bullets, and calling hoppers magazines, are what give paintball a bad name and make the general population think all paintballers are psycotic wanna-be marines that couldn't cut it in the real army. And yeah, I geuss I was just sitting around and got pissed off for no reason. :eyes:

You obviously know little about scenario play because if you did you would not make such ignorant remarks. I've seen every type of player in scenarios even people who play or have played in tournaments. I myself play them wearing a JT flame Jersey and wielding a Intimidator and don't particularly like the sniper role to boring for me but they are useful in scenarios especially for recon. And none of us, call balls bullets; hoppers magazines, etc the worst yould ever here is someone saying "dead" instead of "hit".

[Flanders]

u know, the guy in the gillie suite got shot more then i did yesterday

and his gillie suite is good, it's hard to se him, bujt he still gets a woopen.

but frankly, woods or not, it's how u move, how u shoot, and what every one else is doing that counts

like i said, i where bright read, stickers all over my hopper, my gun is kinda shiny, i had my tank cover the right way around so it was bright red.

i walked up right around 2 guys layen down paint and shot them, they never saw me comin, me and a buddy double teamed them, they were getting shot at from one angle, i came at the from the side, not even hiding just ran up, shot them both and walked away

[Cadet2005]

Okay, first of all Outkast, you need to learn to walk on leaves and twigs...it isn't hard to do with minimal noise...if it unavoidable, move with other prominent sounds...ie, birds chirping so on and so forth. So that isn't an issue.

A rec ball woods game isn't mostly stealth and moving no, the field likes to keep games relatively quick (at least where I have played so far) so yeah, you're still keeping the CQB mentality of speedball just with the added "challenge" of woods. That isn't a good "woods" game as far as I am concerned...it involves not much more in the way of added skill outside of spray and pray.

Here's an example of how woods can be played using the strategy that you feel does not apply:

I play on about 45 total acres of land with heavy woods, a few clearings and a creek running behind a slight rise we have now turned into a defensible position. The woods reduce visibility to shadows at 75 feet but by 45 feet things start getting tough to determine exactly what it is you're looking at. Sound carries far for everything is in nearly complete silence. There are various areas where literally a human silohuette can almost disappear. One false move can put you into the crosshairs of an opponent with your side exposed and you're not even noticing it. It is there that you must have every advantage for you or someone is going to gain an upper hand and with a game of inches, it is tough to compensate the difference. I am not advocating ghillie suits as at the ranges most players operate at they are ineffective (ask the DoD) but there is no reason why you houldn't be allowed to wear BDUS...A) they are durable, B) they can hold items such as a bandage or bactroban for injuries such as cuts an bruises, and C) they will break up your miage in even light woods perhaps enough to gain you a second of an advantage. I have been playing for almost two years...am I a newbie because I wear BDUs?

[Outkasted One]

I'm not criticizing scenario players, I'm saying save the hardcore cammo for scenario games. I played in the scenario game at Jungle Island in CA. The page for the Tippman A-5 on the official Tippman website calls it a magazine, full cammo is good for scenario games, not rec.

[punkerx1]

i agree with outkasted one sumwhat, i agree camo isnt really neccisary and people that say stuff like " Hu Hu! you stick out like a sore thumb! derRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRr" are really stupid. but who cares about em, just play, i dont care if you have a angel, timmie, or cocker, your still a target and im gonna try to hit you, same with people in camo with spyders, tippys, and rentals, they are all players, just playing paintball in their own way, if thats laying down in the back then thats that, if its running to the 50 then thats how they wanna play, dont worry about them. camo might be useful if paintballs could fire 500 feet, but they cant, and its not hard to miss a bodily figure 10-40 feet infront of you, ghille suit or yellow jersey. im sure if they walked onto a hyperball field in a ghille people would say something, so u cant really blame them for tryin to mock brightly colored markers and jerseys in the woods.

[Cadet2005]

Okay, I am going to give you a little lesson in how camouflage works...ever notice the pattern on camo (I am referring to fatigues, they are technically only BDUs when issued as mine were) is a conglomerate of colors merging together on a plane of green or black (dependent on style)? There's a reason: the color doesn't matter a daggone bit, it is that weird kind of pattern that ultimately breaks up the image. Now let's say you are against a solid backdrop and just leaning around the bunker, no matter what your surroundings that image is going to cause the eye to at first pass over it until pass number two...if you are prone to the ground or even in a crouch it amplifies the effect (as the human eye delineates the world into three realms: above and below and at eye level...above is least noticed, below next, eye level immediately noticed) so it buys you a precious second...not much time right? My 98C without mods, about 5-6 bps...that is 5-6 chances to hit you before you even identify your target and reassess the situation...so camouflage is not neccessarily limited strictly to woods play: it can be used effectively in any environment.

Again, I ask why a guy who wears BDUs is a fool for speedball. They are durable and allow you to carry anything you need and are warmer than some of the crap you guys wear and result in less welts when hit. If you do it for the Rambo look then I think you oughta not be allowed to play paintball, but if you do it knowing how to utilize it correctly and for the durability then I don't see the problem.

Also, let me give you some reasoning as to why calling a hopper a magazine is not incorrect:

The Japanese and some early American and British firearms used a mag that fed in from the top similar ot that of the hopper in appearance...it was coined a hopper until the advent of the magazine term around the time of your Trench Sweepers and so on. A magazine is merely a way of saying "a portable mechanism to hold rounds to be utilzied in disarming your opponent" (that is according to two dictionaries I have and a third follows close enough to associate it)...you disarm your opponent by eliminating him from the game with a splat...not that different in theory (which is all words on paper is, theory). A magazine does not neccessarily mean conventional looking, fed from the bottom, the Bren and Sten guns proved that as did the FG.42 light machine gun the Germans had for their Fallshirmjager troops in WWII designed so that they may lie perfectly prone to the gun without the gun sticking up off the ground and exposing their position. I do not feel that calling it a magazine ruins the sport's image just because the fact that you are delivering a projectile is already what does it...beyond that fact you're either sold on the sport or steered in the other direction.

[camo_warrior]

I don't see the point in speedball because concealment plays no role in the game. To me it is boring.

[Killer Kat]

Not always seeing the other guy (at least to me) adds alot of excitment to the game! :eek:

[camo_warrior]

Same Here Killer kat

[tonysk83]

well i jsut saythis story, i was playign a woods game and me and my friends with our bright guns and mask go to flank the right we crawl the 3/4 the length of the feild down a muddy river to be ambushed by two old players in camo we didnt see, and at the end of the game he told me i could see you at the other end of the field with your red maks and blue gun, jsut think about that

[Kent007]

You got it KK. I only play woods ball (lack of money to pay a field and lack of field close by) and I love it. Yes, me and my buddies do wear full camo, be it BDU's, advantage timber, whatever. I can see how stealth plays a role in both speed ball and woodsball.
-- Woodsball
--- Me and my buddies are all deer hunters and we know how to sit still and wait for our target to come in.
-- When your playin' against guys like that, you have to move very slowly to keep from bein' spotted.
--AND sniping is not for some 2 man Navy Seal team somewhere. I do it.
--Speedball
-- If somehow you could get around behind the opposing team, by the way of snake barricades or whatever, and the only way was stealth, wouldn't you do it just to be a thorn in that teams side? From some of the speedball fields
I've seen, that is possible.


(BTW- -------... In the games we play, outkast, the firefights last for MAYBE 5 minutes out of anywhere from 20 minutes to 1 hour of play! That's 25% (RARE) to 8.333% and lower per game.)

Like Sudden Impact said...
"live and let live..."

Try this, play and let play

Sorry every one, just a humble woodsball players $0.02 worth after taxes took $0.01

Thanks for the vent....and NO OFFENCE to anyone!

[Cadet2005]

I want to correct a misnconception among a lot of people: hunting is NOT like going against a human being. For starters, msot animals do not see in the same color spectrum as us, nor do they discern three dimensions as well as our brains (the closest to our perception capabilities I believe is the primate family)...so that stuff about RealTree camo working in woods, nope, sorry...In art, it is rather easy to see the tricks employed to make a 2D object look 3D btu it never looks 3D, just representative. If you look at the Real Tree stuff you will notice that the color patterns and shades are preset, but the thing is, that may not always match the shading fo the leaves or terrain around you. That is how I spot those and quite frankly, it isn't that hard. Also, animals rely more on movement detection and smell (especially the latter) where as humans rely more on reasoning...if we see a color differentiation (such as orange or pink) we know it doesn't belong, but when an animal such as deer looks at it, it must rely on movement or smell to determine if it belongs. You must remember that humans have a higher intellectual capability than an animal, and if you go after a human player in the woods like you're hunting, the odds of a good player coming along and making the association will catch up to you.

PS: you don't snipe...sniping is a matehmatical science with it roots back to World War I of making compensations based upon various environmental factors...try compensating exactly for wind to one mil-dot (1 Mike-Mike) precision with a paintball...you are a paintball marksman, not a sniper.

[JDB]

This speedball vs woodsball and camo vs jersey subject has been beaten to death. Its all preference. Some people enjoy collecting coins and stamps. For a lot of people that would be considered very VERY boring. I dont see why people think they can criticize something when its all in what each individual person finds enjoyable. If someone wants to crawl around in the woods while looking like a big pile of leaves then they can do that, its just that I dont find it enjoyable, but Im not going to call them a noob because of it.

[Mills1]

If you like woods, play woods. If you like speedball, play speedball.

[MINDofSIN]

Quoted from Cadet2005:
"and yes, I know what one of them
babies weighs because I humped it for awhile..."

LMAO!!

[xavier678]

why do you waste your time arguing this question? its wondrful you dont like how woods players act but you know this will just start a big debate so whats the point? a little pointless. i play both because i work at a speedball field but cant deny the desert where i started. its all preferance.

[Outkasted One]

You say that I should just let people do what they do and play woodsball running around with leaves jammed up their *** and then you turn around and criticize me for posting about it, well maybe starting flame wars is what I like to do, and if I should respect you for playing woodsball then you should respect me for flaming. If you like flaming then flame, if you like not flaming don't flame.

P.S. JDB, I never called full cammo users noobs

[Sudden Impact]

outkast> you are a goofus...


thats all I have to say and all I will say...

[dodgethis]

Went out in the woods with an impy and a wifebeater. In the course of the game I layed down and became oblivious to the fact that a giant blob of sticks and leaves was walking around...yea right. Not hard to hit someone twice the size of a normal person now is it?

[Ebonclaw]

Originally posted by Outkasted One
All these fools, many of which call themselves "Snipers" (Mostly Tippman owners) talk about how colors other than black and a few reflective parts on you're gun are just so horrible because they give away you positions in woods. Yes, Cammo does help a lot over a brightly colored jersey, but seriously 97 percent of the time in paintball you're in a shootout with someone and not sneaking around using stealth tactics. People saying they want to buy a barrel that will make their gun quieter? come on a few decibles lower isn't going to help when you're surrounded by leaves and twigs that make a ton of noise when you walk. How many times have you said "oh! I just saw someone's chrome trigger frame, let's go get him!", or "Whoa, that was close that moron's barrel is sooo loud." Covering your gun in cammo and junk isn't going to help either fellas. Crawling around under a blanket of leaves and grass is for 2 man Navy SEAL sniper teams not paintball ok? So just cut the crap.

It's nice to know some speedball players can still be utter jerks, kinda helps my image out on't you think?:rolleyes:

[Cadet2005]

MindofSin...may I ask what was so funny about my remark? For starters it wasn't in this thread as far as I could tell, secondly it was taken out of context...

[Flanders]

hey

i dunno bout u but i like gettin in fire fights


cammo just helps me stay outa them

half the fun is seeing some one in 3 shades of green walk off with a shade or orange