cyclone bolt

[brendan144]

what would this new bolt do for me? I am going to put it on my rebel but would it even make a difference from my stock bolt? and also do i need a beavertail if i make my rebel rear cocking... thanks

[mikek2111987]

its a slightly lower pressure bolt

[brendan144]

so what would it do for my gun and would it help me out any if i have a rebel... pretty much answer the ?s i have in the original post.. thanks a lot

[AllOleander]

If you went rearcocking you would need a beavertail. My friend played w/o one (stupid idiot, i dunno that he didn't put it on or i would have not let him play..or iwould have gutted his gun and make it sidecocking agian :) )...anyway, my friend made his spyder rearcocking and he had a KAPP 45 beavertail that really dind't fit the spyder too well (suggestion, if yoi have a spyder and need a beaver tail i would use the KAPP F/X, cause you can flip it over and connect it on top of the gun..it works well, i have that on my spyder) so my friend decideds to take the beaver tail off and have an open bolt w/o any protection..so first game...he shoots a few rounds..we are like a minute into the game...and i hear a POP CRACK sound..that stupid mofo friend of mine busted his lens cause he wasn't paying attention and got his face too close to teh open bolt blowing back and forth at very high speeds. this is VERY DANGEROUS cause the lens broke..and his face was exposed INGAME..so i blow the whistle twice (signal to stop) throw on my barrel plug run over to him, and pretty much jump on him covering his face..then everyone ran over w/ their plugs in and i plugged my frineds gun and helped him off the field, he was ok


LOL THAT STORY WAS TOTAL BULL**** but it COULD happen..and beavertails are very important caue that could happen and cause a serious injury.

so yes u will need a beavertail if you go rearcocking..im not sure if teh cyclone will help you, you could just modify the stock bolt to make it higher flowing, rearcocking, and you can cup it to have the air cup around the ball instead of blasting it in the center..you will need to buy a cocking rod tho and add that to the bolt if you want to make it rearcocking

[brendan144]

how do i do all that stuff to my stock bolt??

[brendan144]

could i put a beavertail on my rebel? i just have a rebel w/ bottomline not a rebel deluxe or anything

[spray_and_pray]

sorry man but you DONT need a bever tail they are just extra weight and are used for looks i took mine off my sto the day i got it and any bolt will be bette rthen the stock

[brendan144]

so what would the cyclone do to help improve my gun when i put it in?

[spray_and_pray]

the bolt will increase your gas effincency by alot and your rate of fire and accuracy a little but not very much

[brendan144]

would it fit my rebel A OK?

[AllOleander]

I dont think its very smart to not have a beavertail on your gun..you honestly could get a bolt in your lens which would brake it. i've seen it happen (the other team,..my story above was mostly bullsh|t just for fun ;) )

and i dont thik a new bolt would improve as much as spraynpray said. you could always ship your bolt to someone and they could mod it for you..this would be a lot cheaper then buying a whole new one..u might even find someone in the forums that will do it for free (not me tho..sorry) :)

[spray_and_pray]

i just wrote what it would change not how much the rate of fire will be about 20 percent and the gas effincency will change alot but the accuracy will only be like 5 percent

[mikek2111987]

Originally posted by spray_and_pray
sorry man but you DONT need a bever tail they are just extra weight and are used for looks i took mine off my sto the day i got it and any bolt will be bette rthen the stock just make sure u dont tuck to much or it will come back and break ur lense

[AllOleander]

Originally posted by AllOleander
[B]I dont think its very smart to not have a beavertail on your gun..you honestly could get a bolt in your lens which would brake it.

What i said :)

[mikek2111987]

wooops didnt read ur post

[brendan144]

i have my co2 come out back so i can't get that close to it anyway.. thanks for all the replies though

[CrAzY-CaNaDiAn]

at a rental field i went to they had old piranaha fields with no beavertail. this was the first time i ever played paintball so i wen up to take a few shots and hit my lense 10 times. i was luckey it didn't break the lense. so i just ajusted my shots

[blake_sw]

I have this bolt, it's not good at all. In fact, I took out the cyclone insert cause all it does is RESTRICT AIR FLOW. A stock bolt with venturi insert is identical to a cyclone bolt. Just take out that insert for better air flow. Plus, once it's out, you can lower the pressure of your gun (using a reg).

[AllOleander]

YES! i did this. I have the stock bolt and i removed the venturi to increase air flow and it works great.

I woudn't spend money on an aftermarket bolt. just do a mod on your own and it work better

[Super Nick]

Why would you want your gun rear cocking? I would take top cocking over rear cocking any day. Reason being, you can play a lot tighter with top cocking.

[AllOleander]

try making a spyder compact top cocking

[El Cheeko]

you dont need a beavertail with rear cocking guns it is just better to have one so you dont hit yourself in the face with the bolt....it isnt a big deal if you do it doesnt hurt but if u do it all day it would probably get anouying....the bolt would make your gun run on slightly less psi......and the cyclone puts spin on the ball...but it wont make that much of a difference

[UTLadiesMan]

You need a bever tail if you want to play tournaments. They don't want people adding 100 fps to their balls.

[paintballer56]

it will be slightly more accurate

[El Cheeko]

not having or having a beaver tail will have nothing to do with how hard you shoot.......all they do is make sure the bolt doesnt hit you....you can adjust you fps with one one also.....you can play tourney without...they wont bother u......how would not having one add 100 fps on your gun anyway...all it is a peice of metal.....it doesnt touch any internals....thats like saying site rails increase your fps

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by El Cheeko
not having or having a beaver tail will have nothing to do with how hard you shoot.......all they do is make sure the bolt doesnt hit you....you can adjust you fps with one one also.....you can play tourney without...they wont bother u......how would not having one add 100 fps on your gun anyway...all it is a peice of metal.....it doesnt touch any internals....thats like saying site rails increase your fps


Get a cocker. Take off the beaver tail. Adjust the sear catch to just barely hold the sear. Put on a pair of gloves with palm protection. Slap the cocking rod as hard as you can. That ball is going to go way over 300 fps. You can also just press it real hard, then fire. Again, way over. I haven't tried it on a rear cocking blow back, but it should produce the same effect. The hammer is hitting the valve pin with more force than the springs alone deliver, meaning the valve is open wider and longer, meaning more air gets to the ball, meaning that ball be going hellafast.

[AllOleander]

why not have one? they add no weight, they dont affect anything..they make ur gun safe, and they look cool..a gun w/ a beavertail looks a lot better than one w/o..

how pretty is it to have a cocking rod sticking out the back w/o a beavertail?

why not have one?

plus in tourneys they prob wont let you play w/o one just for safety reasons

[Super Nick]

Originally posted by UTLadiesMan
Get a cocker. Take off the beaver tail. Adjust the sear catch to just barely hold the sear. Put on a pair of gloves with palm protection. Slap the cocking rod as hard as you can. That ball is going to go way over 300 fps. You can also just press it real hard, then fire. Again, way over. I haven't tried it on a rear cocking blow back, but it should produce the same effect. The hammer is hitting the valve pin with more force than the springs alone deliver, meaning the valve is open wider and longer, meaning more air gets to the ball, meaning that ball be going hellafast.

I don't really think that a lot of people are going to slam their bolt forward. The point of a beaver tail is to protect a person's goggles from getting hit by the bolt.

[UTLadiesMan]

Most people probably wouldn't. Some people in tournaments like to get an edge though... Of course, you could have it set, then when the match starts, put a stiff rubber band around the neck and the back of the bolt :)


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[Super Nick]

But that wouldn't give them the edge. It would probably make things worse. It would screw up your accuracy and have a good chance of a breaking a ball. (I think that the refs would notice a big rubber band on the top of someone's gun.) :rolleyes:

[Edited by Super Nick on 07-18-2001 at 12:28 PM]

[El Cheeko]

the beaver tail wont stop u from doing that though......

[AllOleander]

There is no reason not to have a beavertail on a rear-cocking gun. Period.

Paintball is all about safety, and I'm up for that.

[U/\/a/\/\eD]

Beaver tales add style!

[AllOleander]

Originally posted by U/\/a/\/\eD
Beaver tales add style!

Yah that too

[brendan144]

i want a beavertail on it i just dont know if i can put one on my rebel and i dont have $ for one.. if anyone has an extra one they want to give me i'll pay shipping for it if you are sure it will fit my rebel

[AllOleander]

I think the only beavertail that would fit a rebel would be a KAPP F/X. I bought one KAPP beavertail that goes on cockers, and it is supposed to go ontop of the frame (inbetween the frame and the bodY) but it dint' really fit to well and it made the frame uneven. So then i had a really good idea. I bought the KAPP F/X and turned it upside down and connected it on top of my spyder body. Then i put in the boltstop and drilled a hole in it so the cocking rod fit through. It looks really good ill try to get a pic


Is there some kind of hole on top of the your rebel body?

if there is a way to connect it, you should get an KAPP F/X and turn it upside down .. it looks tight

[brendan144]

its a top cocker right now so there is like a slit up there from where it cocks.. no hole though

[Super Nick]

Just leave your gun top cocking. Why do you want rear cocking anyway?

[mikek2111987]

i want a top cocker,when i get a ew gun ill play with my TL+ to make it top cocking

[AllOleander]

I personally like top cocking better than rearcocking..but i do like rearcocking better than sidecocking (which my spyder was so i made it rear)

leave it topcocking