Lasoya Banned from Pan-AM for life [Archive]

Ebonclaw

03-12-2003, 11:06 AM

Here's the link, scroll down a bit till you get to the actual article. I'm not going to copy and paste the article because it is copyrighted, however, the guy who posted it on this website obtained permission to post the article, so it's OK.

http://www.paintmagazine.com/cgi-bin/cutecast/cutecast.pl?forum=8&thread=4345

To sum up, Lasoya "punishment bunkered" some poor guy by shooting him 12 times in the head. Lasoya admits to putting 12 hits on the guy, but only pulling the trigger 6 times. Meaning RT mode. The guy went unconcious and got sent to the hospital, where they said he had a concussion.

Thoughts?

comprocket

03-12-2003, 11:19 AM

I can't believe that these players actually believe that they can get away with such things. The pros should be setting a good example, not knocking other players unconcense. I agree 100% with the lifetime ban set upon both players! I think that there should also be a large fine, or the injured player should be encouraged to press charges. You know that they will not disappear. They will be back, somewhere, and sometime, and I hope that they are publicly humiliated!

Enjoipaintball0

03-12-2003, 11:24 AM

Damn, and I thought LaSoya was on the up and up.

BackWoods PB138

03-12-2003, 02:35 PM

he didnt have to have the trigger in rt........he shoots a timmy it has a was bored.......if u cant hang dont play with the best.....when your gona get bunkerd with a a high end timmmy or elbade...... in .5 secodn u get let 12 balls out....at psp i got shot 16 times on a bunker.......

I didnt read the whole article so i duno ythe circumstances just wanted to make a point

Enjoipaintball0

03-12-2003, 03:17 PM

1.-Learn to spell.
2.-Chris Lasoya can't shoot 24 bps. He can shoot about 12.

Azn_gansta

03-12-2003, 03:21 PM

are u him? do u no how fast he shoots? for the RT that could be a reason along with marker malfunction, all he knows is he pulled 6 times (he claims) so for y 12 could a couple reasons

monkeybacon00

03-12-2003, 03:28 PM

Jeez backwoods, so ruthless. I dont care if you are "punishment bunkering" somebody, 12 or 16 times is FAR too excessive. The limit is 3, and Im sure people screw up and hit opponents 5-6 times, but 12 times to the head is completely ridiculous. Im sure that up in those high levels, people get hit more than 6 times on a bunker move a lot. But he shouldnt have aimed for the head. But this guy got a concussion, just so lasoya could win some game that he would have won ANYWAYS had he just nailed the guy 3 times, he was the only guy left you know...I know he was punishment bunkering or whatever, so that the guy couldnt turn around and shoot him. But its not an excuse.

I cant stand to hear that "if you cant hang dont play with the best " crap, sorry. What he did was just stupid. Him being a pro player and all, like the article states, he was responsible for his marker settings and his trigger finger.

Just my opinion.

bryane99

03-12-2003, 04:08 PM

GEEEZE 12 times in the head i cant believe that especially a pro player. even if he pulled the trigger 6 times that is still to much

BackWoods PB138

03-12-2003, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by Azn_gansta
are u him? do u no how fast he shoots? for the RT that could be a reason along with marker malfunction, all he knows is he pulled 6 times (he claims) so for y 12 could a couple reasons

no im not him but ive played with him a bunch of times and against him

12 bps lol umm no do u know what a was board is? once u get to a certain speed it throws extra balls in.....He didnt have to pull the trigger 12 times for 12 balls to come out

i never said what he did was right i dont know the circumstances...so im just saying 12 balls can come out uber fast and you do not even know it

Punchcard

03-12-2003, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by BackWoods PB138
...if u cant hang dont play with the best.....

I belive LaSoya was sandbagging at an amature/novice event.

12 bps lol umm no do u know what a was board is? once u get to a certain speed it throws extra balls in.....

Then it sure as heck isn't tournament legal in any tourneys I have heard of! (Though I'm pretty sure the WAS board doesn't really has this fire mode, it is just a different semi-only board). One ball per trigger pull.

Occasional double shooting due to trigger bounce used to be allowed in NPPL, but has recently been banned from the NPPL. Though I haven't looked at anything from PSP or Pan-AM.

Enjoipaintball0

03-12-2003, 05:18 PM

No, I'm not Chris LaSoya, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that nobody can pull the trigger 24 times a second.

tourny_wannabe

03-12-2003, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by BackWoods PB138

no im not him but ive played with him a bunch of times and against him

12 bps lol umm no do u know what a was board is? once u get to a certain speed it throws extra balls in.....He didnt have to pull the trigger 12 times for 12 balls to come out

i never said what he did was right i dont know the circumstances...so im just saying 12 balls can come out uber fast and you do not even know it

wtf the heck are you talking about, the WAS board would not be tourny legal if if would "throw in extra shots" .........:rolleyes:

the was board does how ever have a trigger bounce setting where when you have it at 0(i believe) you get horendis trigger bounce and can sweet spot it, The people at WAS say the trigger bounce feature is to get rid of trigger bounce, but the real reason is so you can have trigger bounce but still have it be legal....

oh and i bet...no...know that lasoya can shoot more than 12 bps, tons of people can shoot 12 bps of course not substained though

and yes trigger bounce is illegal now, and banning him from Pan-Am(totally retarded to do this) isn't going to do anything

how can you bann a guy for this, salm cheated and only got 1 year suspension and he gets life?!?thats ludacris

Mcot2

03-12-2003, 06:40 PM

Screw all the high end tourney players. There all stupid, think there great, and are idiots. There jerks, act all stupid most of the time, and are onoly good at pb because they play 24/7. PB is alot about practice, and they do it alot, but so can almost anyone else, they think there so tough, but u put lasoya behind a bunker, I shoot him 16 times in the head, he gets a concussion, see what he says, or what all his "fans" say.....

cocker kid 2k2

03-12-2003, 06:42 PM

You guys dont seem to realize that..... this was an accident. It was his fault for having the marker on a burst mode of any type but either way, he didnt mean to shoot the person straight in the head. Im sure, like usual it was intended for the torso. But I guess we can never know for sure.

BackWoods PB138

03-12-2003, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by Mcot2
Screw all the high end tourney players. There all stupid, think there great, and are idiots. There jerks, act all stupid most of the time, and are onoly good at pb because they play 24/7. PB is alot about practice, and they do it alot, but so can almost anyone else, they think there so tough, but u put lasoya behind a bunker, I shoot him 16 times in the head, he gets a concussion, see what he says, or what all his "fans" say.....

of course

and yes was boards do excelerate

thats not sandbagging your allowed to have a pro playr on an am team

suddenpaint

03-12-2003, 06:52 PM

good f***king riddance. pros need to understand that they are not above the rules...especially Lasoya...

Punchcard

03-12-2003, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by tourny_wannabe

how can you bann a guy for this, salm cheated and only got 1 year suspension and he gets life?!?thats ludacris

People cheat in tournament paintball all the time.

People don't often take actions that put people in the hospital.

Both are bad. One is worse than the other.

ahopkins16

03-12-2003, 08:35 PM

oh my bob, everybodys so quick to jump on him cuz hes pro, i mean that would be overshooting, wuts an overshooting penalty, 1+1? y does the guy getting injured change that rule? the funny thing is it doesnt even affect him.....i dont know if you guys have heard or not, but hes playing on his own team in the NXL, where hes not allowed to play any other league.....

RCM898

03-12-2003, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by Mcot2
Screw all the high end tourney players. There all stupid, think there great, and are idiots. There jerks, act all stupid most of the time

so your going to stereotype all the pros because of lasoya?

go talk to the guys on dynasty or bushwackers they're really cool guys. they arent stupid and go around saying how great they are and being idiots, they arent jerks they're really cool guys, they dont act stupid at all like you say, they dont think they're all tough like you over here:rolleyes: . you dont know what your talking about, your just stereotyping all the pros because of lasoya...

MrBoB

03-12-2003, 09:25 PM

You all are a bunch of retards. You ***** and moan about crap. So what Lasoya got banned from PanAm, big deal. PanAm is mostly there for newer guys to get their foot in the door and get into the tourny scene. OK, it sux that the guy got shot in the melon 12 times but who really cares. It wouldnt of been a big deal if it was 12 times in the back. And you guys know if Lasoya came up to u when u were playing and he offered to help u out and coach u for the day, you know dam well u would take him up on that offer.

BRYCEBOY18

03-12-2003, 09:31 PM

I don't know, shooting a guy in the head 12 times is a little bit much for me to swallow. But on the other hand he does play at a level were they are expected to play pretty intense. I'm not gonna take a side on this one but I think this sorta thing needs more attention and prevention.

AK47

03-12-2003, 10:44 PM

guns should be checked b4 games to amke sure there is no cheating

Blacksheep

03-13-2003, 02:36 AM

*Sigh*

Proven FACT that people cannot accuratly determine the number of times they have pulled the trigger in moments of adrenalin.

Some law-abiding citizen may have fired at theif 12 times but they claim three times, and their conciuos memory only record that number and they BELIEVE it and are willing to fight for it because they "know" they only pulled it a certain number of times.

And the refs should've checked...same as our criminal justice system, if the guy passes inspection (or "not guilty") he is untouchable. The man was knocked out because of human error either in the creation in the board or by the people checking the gun, the Pan/Am should assume all responability for the incident.

As far as 12 balls in the head...either you accept the risk or you leave, simple as that.

The writer sponsors the team as well...umm, think that might mean anything to anyone? He has a personal connection and cannot be taken seriuosly...

I am a firm believer that if you can't play and take it, pack out, YOU are hurting the sport anf screw the image of the sport, it's destroying the sport!

Blacksheep

03-13-2003, 02:43 AM

One more thing...bunkering is a part of the spot and if the guy got a concussion, big deal. How many players wipe or cheat or play on? Lasoya probably simply wanted ot make sure he got the guy out, although he went a tad bit overboard by about four shots.

Jaster

03-13-2003, 06:47 AM

I don't care what level player he or anyone else is. Over shooting is over shooting. I have a "High-end Timmy" and I don't have a problem with overshooting. Come to think of it, most of the guys on my team have "high-end Timmys" and they've never had overshooting problems. I know when someone is hit. It's not that hard. He can't blame his marker for his own stupidity. 12 times in the head!? Don't give that crap he didn't mean too. That's bull. He thinks he's above the rules and got spanked for it. Serves him right and he got what he deserved. I would love to see him banned from paintball.

Punchcard

03-13-2003, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by Blacksheep
*Sigh*

Proven FACT that people cannot accuratly determine the number of times they have pulled the trigger in moments of adrenalin.

It is?

Regardless, the point is, where do you draw the line? Can you tell the difference between "a little" and "a lot?".

Is it okay to shoot someone 12 times at point blank range? Is it okay to shoot someone 20 times at point blank range? 30?

At what point does your marker cease to be an instrument for playing a game of skill, daring and honor, and become an instrument of punishment?

I don't claim to be a player of anywhere near LaSoya's stature. But when I come around a bunker I am in full control of my marker. Have I pegged people in the nads, in the head on accident? You bet. But I also knew that I couldn't lay on the trigger the same way I would if I was posting up right off the break.

I expect a pro to be intense. But I also expect a pro to be in control.

Should LaSoya have been banned for life? I dunno. But there is a sickness in tournament paintball. Rampant cheating, overshooting, fighting, swearing. The only way the tournament managers of have of controlling it is by penalizations and bannings.

As players and consumers, we can write sponsors. If you like clean, fair, honorable, intense and exciting paintball, write the sponsors in support of those teams. If you see a team playing dirty, cheating, swearing, and don't like it, write the sponsors. Tell them the team reflects badly on the sponsors and the sponsors products.

Pan-Am drew the line that 12 times in the head was way too much. They don't want LaSoya back. It is their right to do so.

AK47

03-13-2003, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Jaster
I don't care what level player he or anyone else is. Over shooting is over shooting. I have a "High-end Timmy" and I don't have a problem with overshooting. Come to think of it, most of the guys on my team have "high-end Timmys" and they've never had overshooting problems. I know when someone is hit. It's not that hard. He can't blame his marker for his own stupidity. 12 times in the head!? Don't give that crap he didn't mean too. That's bull. He thinks he's above the rules and got spanked for it. Serves him right and he got what he deserved. I would love to see him banned from paintball. I have never had the problem when I see a gun sticking out of a bunker in the air to stop shooting. As soon as I see a splat when shooting I stop, I don't shoot again to make sure they can't wipe, I player with honor I expect everyone else to do the same.

I always know how many shots Im pumping out no matter how much of a adrenaline rush I have:eyes:

Ebonclaw

03-13-2003, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by AK47
I expect everyone else to do the same.

Better change your expectations if you go pro.

Assass!n

03-13-2003, 01:29 PM

What is sandbaggin? just wondering.

I think that lasoya should not have been banned for life, but banned for a while. Say, 10 years. Oh, and, to the people who are saying "Its part of the game, if you cant take it, go home" well, ok. How about I stick my barrel against your head and shoot you 12 times and then see if you have a change of opinion.

BackWoods PB138

03-13-2003, 02:16 PM

dude this isnt even a big deal......

I bonused balled every single player that walked off the field at psp....

in the am finals against Kapp and Take over a take over guy got shot stood up and gator shot him 3 times straight on in the chest.... he had 9 hits on him when he walked off the field.......U cant afford to risk someone spinning in a major tourny....dont tell me it never happens cause its all that happened at psp if u didnt bonus ball people...IN HB Kapp was playing some choad team....and was walking down the field after one of their players had done a run through and bunkered the last guy...well that last guy shot all 7 kapp players in the back.......When your playing at the higher levels.. bonus balls are just somehting u come to expect....maybe 12 to the head is excesive....but i can see it happening

FalloutMan

03-13-2003, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Blacksheep
One more thing...bunkering is a part of the spot and if the guy got a concussion, big deal.

say that when you wake up in the hospital when some punk like lasoya does something similar. dont give me this bs "i have to make sure that guy that has 7 balls on his chest is out or the guy i just bunkered got hit to the point where it cant be wiped" 12 shots to the head to the point where the reciever gets any form of a concussion is unacceptable.

tourny_wannabe

03-13-2003, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by BackWoods PB138

of course

and yes was boards do excelerate

thats not sandbagging your allowed to have a pro playr on an am team
no you are an idiot, boards do not give you extra shots, you are the biggest newb i have ever seen

Originally posted by Punchcard

People cheat in tournament paintball all the time.

People don't often take actions that put people in the hospital.

Both are bad. One is worse than the other.

whats worst? intentionally cheating, or accidently giving a guy a concusiion

and a guy on pbnation that claims to be the guys friend says that they both shot each other when lasoya tried to bunker him and then the kid started putting his gun down

now i don't know about you but i AM going to keep shooting until he is called out by a ref or raises his hands, putting his gun down means nothing to mean especially at a time like that

and all pros cheat, yes, but wiping is not a thing like having a guy shoot from the woods

and who ever asked what sandbagging is, it's when you are good enough to play at the tourny level up, but you play at the level below and keep playing that even if you are dominating everyone , it's not bringing a NPPL pro on to your team

Assass!n

03-13-2003, 03:34 PM

If you really feel the need to bonus ball someone, shoot them in the leg or something.

tourny_wannabe

03-13-2003, 03:51 PM

i'm not going to take the time to aim at one part, i'm just pulling teh trigger

Punchcard

03-13-2003, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by tourny_wannabe

whats worst? intentionally cheating, or accidently giving a guy a concusiion

whats worse? Intentionally cheating, or playing to the bleeding edge where hurting somone becomes irrelevent next to winning?

xternal

03-13-2003, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by tourny_wannabe

no you are an idiot, boards do not give you extra shots, you are the biggest newb i have ever seen

I've heard of techs that claim to have put circuits on Angels that fire twice per pull, which can be externally disabled via a button. Didn't see it first hand.

There's also tons of conjecture flying at smacktalk about cheat boards....who knows if it's true. But this certainly isn't an isolated idea.

All I'm saying is, even if nobody is tweaking boards (somehow I doubt no one has tried), how hard could it be for someone familiar with circuit design? The board in my Timmy hardly appears tamper resistent...could no one build in a circuit for instance, that would go into a burst mode if you held the trigger down for 2 seconds, released, and held for two more? A GZ with a WAS board is configured via trigger pulls, so this isn't a huge stretch on reality.

If no one thought this way, cable descramblers and and directtv hackers wouldn't be around. As long as there's a design which can be modified or compromised, somebody is going to want to do it. IIRC, there's no cyptographic security on the Timmy circuitry, either.

And no, I'm not saying equalizer boards do this, it would definitely be a custom job.

It's just one more thing for refs to be aware and watch for. A cheat is a cheat, some people are just more clever in pulling it off.

Oh, and one more thing...if messing with boards wasn't thought to be a problem or potential problem, then why did WDP make such a fuss about encapsulating the IR3 board:

"The IR3 circuit board is fully encapsulated in a tamper evident casing and equipped with advanced data encrypted storage for incredible reliability."

You don't encrypt data to make it reliable. You encrypt it to make it harder to see or mess with.

xLiLHockeyFreak

03-13-2003, 05:25 PM

I don't think he should be banned from pan am right away... should just been a big warning...

Maelstrom_01

03-13-2003, 05:31 PM

Hmm...12 shots? So that's like 1 second of firing, maybe less depending on how fast his finger is. How about they just dont have pros play with the lower ranks?

paint pb balla

03-13-2003, 05:33 PM

I think that its a great idea.If u do something stupid then you get a money fine and a year suspention.I think 12 is overboard.The people who say it was an accident.Ya you go get shot 12 times in the head point blank range.

-Paint pb balla-

BackWoods PB138

03-13-2003, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by tourny_wannabe

no you are an idiot, boards do not give you extra shots, you are the biggest newb i have ever seen

dude i played for a bob long/ was sponsored team last year id think i know bro.....im a newb eh? i gaurantee you ive played at a higher level than youll be playing in the next 5 years

tourny_wannabe

03-13-2003, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by BackWoods PB138

dude i played for a bob long/ was sponsored team last year id think i know bro.....im a newb eh? i gaurantee you ive played at a higher level than youll be playing in the next 5 years

ya...ok....i'm sorry mister pro....i'm sure you're the most amazing person ever, i cna't touch your skills

the only thing the was board does is raise the fps on long strings on paint due to the timmys drop off at high cycles

THATS ALL

THE WAS BOARD DOES NOT PUT EXTRA SHOTS IN

THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL!!!!

BackWoods PB138

03-13-2003, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by tourny_wannabe

ya...ok....i'm sorry mister pro....i'm sure you're the most amazing person ever, i cna't touch your skills

the only thing the was board does is raise the fps on low strings on paint due to the timmys drop off at high cycles

THATS ALL

THE WAS BOARD DOES NOT PUT EXTRA SHOTS IN

THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL!!!!

allright bro whatever u say

get off your hatorade and actauly go out and play some paintball..some real paintball

Assass!n

03-13-2003, 06:10 PM

I like paintball!

*looks around for ninjas*

tourny_wannabe

03-13-2003, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by BackWoods PB138

allright bro whatever u say

get off your hatorade and actauly go out and play some paintball..some real paintball

ya ok, go play with your rebel

Punchcard

03-13-2003, 06:40 PM

ah.

A perfect example of all that is wrong with paintball.

All in one convenient thread.

:rolleyes:

BackWoods PB138

03-13-2003, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by tourny_wannabe

ya ok, go play with your rebel

allright bro how about u call me when u take 3rd in a pro ten man ok? then well settle this

BRYCEBOY18

03-13-2003, 08:29 PM

this kinda crap is what starts this kinda s$%t.

Digger24

03-13-2003, 11:45 PM

I played against backwoods' AM team at Huntington Beach. Very quality players. One of the better Am teams I've seen this season. Also very sportsman like. Tourny_Wannabe, please dont embarass yourself any further....

As for the whole chris lasoya...

I've never liked him. He's rude and about half as good as he things he is...it takes a very special kind of arrogance not to think he's over rated.

He shot someone in the hed 12 times. The guy got a concussion. I played football. Got a concussion. Its a consequence of the game. Do I think that it's a consequence of paintball? obviously it is. Should he have been penalized with a Ban for life? Well, the Pan Am isnt really on a pro player from Miami's radar...so it doesnt make one bit of difference.

You dont like professional paintballs because they are arrogant or because you are jealous? just a thought. I'll admit I am jealous, I wish I had started playing seriously younger to get as good as they are now, instead of 3 or 4 years from now. But I'll wait, and I hope in the mean time, people who bash pro's for being good at what they do will just go far far away.

Oh, and the WAS board is faster. It allows you to fire the marker much faster. I dont know how, nor do I care. I can shoot a 2k2 with a WAS board faster than I can shoot one without, by 3bps.

- Digger

EvilLost

03-14-2003, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by tourny_wannabe

the only thing the was board does is raise the fps on long strings on paint due to the timmys drop off at high cycles

THATS ALL

THE WAS BOARD DOES NOT PUT EXTRA SHOTS IN

THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL!!!!

Outta curiousity how does it "raise the fps" without putting shots in? It helps if you THINK about what you're gonna say before you say it..

And for Lasoya, mistake? I dunno, I can see accidentally hitting the guy in the head 5 or 6 times, maybe a bonus ball or two on top of that, and the initial 1-2 hits you planned. That still gives about 10 and is already stretching it, 12 to head as "accident" naw...especially since it was 4v1

And TBH, I don't like most pro players (perhaps because of the stereotype, seeing as how I dont really know any) simply because as was mentioned many times, they ALL (mostly :)) cheat. Perhaps its because cheating is so rampant that if you don't do it you simply don't stand a chance, or perhaps because they are all simply dirty players I don't know nor do I really care, I don't plan on playing pro.

Oh and Backwoods, you saying that you bonus ball all the opposing players, saying it as though its an excuse for lasoya to do it...ever think YOU shouldnt be doing it?....

Blacksheep

03-14-2003, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by Punchcard

It is?

Regardless, the point is, where do you draw the line? Can you tell the difference between "a little" and "a lot?".

You can't because the human mind simply does not register until the threat is gone.

Is it okay to shoot someone 12 times at point blank range? Is it okay to shoot someone 20 times at point blank range? 30?

Unless they call themselves out, then yes it is!

At what point does your marker cease to be an instrument for playing a game of skill, daring and honor, and become an instrument of punishment?

Punishment? You are not Losoys and therefore cannot speak for him. That is not overshooting unless he called himself out.

I don't claim to be a player of anywhere near LaSoya's stature. But when I come around a bunker I am in full control of my marker. Have I pegged people in the nads, in the head on accident? You bet. But I also knew that I couldn't lay on the trigger the same way I would if I was posting up right off the break.

I shoot until they call themself out...in woods ball to make sure, kids cheat, simple as that.

I expect a pro to be intense. But I also expect a pro to be in control.

Hehe, I think that to shoot 12bps accuratly means you are in control. Once again, unless the player called himself out...not problem.

Should LaSoya have been banned for life? I dunno. But there is a sickness in tournament paintball. Rampant cheating, overshooting, fighting, swearing. The only way the tournament managers of have of controlling it is by penalizations and bannings.

Nothing wrong with shooting enough to get someone out...fighting and cheating yes, out for life...

As players and consumers, we can write sponsors. If you like clean, fair, honorable, intense and exciting paintball, write the sponsors in support of those teams. If you see a team playing dirty, cheating, swearing, and don't like it, write the sponsors. Tell them the team reflects badly on the sponsors and the sponsors products.

Pan-Am drew the line that 12 times in the head was way too much. They don't want LaSoya back. It is their right to do so.

It may be...unless they had no rule about overshooting, in which case they cannot hold a player responsible for doing so if they didn't define it previosly...Miranda rights are great (think thast's what they're called).

Blacksheep

03-14-2003, 03:12 AM

Originally posted by BackWoods PB138

allright bro how about u call me when u take 3rd in a pro ten man ok? then well settle this

What team do you play for?

you said a bob long sponsored team....

tourny_wannabe

03-14-2003, 05:13 AM

with out embarrising me more? what are you talking about, the guy is saying how a board that is deemed tourny legal is putting extra shots in

ya ok......

Punchcard

03-14-2003, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by Blacksheep You can't because the human mind simply does not register until the threat is gone.

Unless they call themselves out, then yes it is!

I shoot until they call themself out...in woods ball to make sure, kids cheat, simple as that.

Hehe, I think that to shoot 12bps accuratly means you are in control. Once again, unless the player called himself out...not problem.

It may be...unless they had no rule about overshooting, in which case they cannot hold a player responsible for doing so if they didn't define it previosly...Miranda rights are great (think thast's what they're called).

I do belive the guy had a hard time calling himself out because he was being beaten unconcious at the time by paintballs to the head.

As for LaSoya being in control, he TOTALLY denied it. "Gee, I'm really sorry! But I only pulled the trigger 6 times! I don't know what happened!" Being in control would indicate knowing how much to shoot, where to shoot, and for how long.

As for Miranda rights, they are competely irrelevant. They are something the police have to give you before you get your butt shut up in the pokey.

And if you lay excessively into kids and recballers to make sure they don't cheat, I hope a field recognizes your attitude and boots you. They don't always have the same response time as tourney players when it comes to calling them selves out. And they always need ample time to check for breaks. The "I'm gonna just shoot em so much that they have to call them selves out from the pain" is the worst kind of paintball and not what the game is about.

BackWoods PB138

03-14-2003, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by Digger24
I played against backwoods' AM team at Huntington Beach. Very quality players. One of the better Am teams I've seen this season. Also very sportsman like. Tourny_Wannabe, please dont embarass yourself any further....

Thanks Bro...what team do u play for?

Evil lost...Did u go to psp? There were NO DEAD boxs....the refs suck and were actualy telling players to bonus balll peope.

Last season i played the latter have with Chronic....I guested with Legacy at PSP

Digger24

03-14-2003, 09:22 AM

I played with the NCPA All Stars. Captained them actually. It was kind of a favor for a friend who just needed people there. It was embarrasing (I think we took last) becausewe couldnt practice, and I couldnt screen the players, so I had to take their word on how good they are...and some very much lied. Now we're (Owen and I) stuck in Tucson cause we cant even get a decent team going. All the good players went for Evil while we were out of town....

We played against backwoods on the JT field, friday, morning group. I dont remember the time though. We took out 4 players in the first two minutes, but couldnt close.

Backwoods could be, although I dont know, refering to trigger bounce. This allows you to tap the trigger slightly and the trigger will bounce off your finger and shoot again. The WAS board does have some bounce tha can definately be increased with slight modificiation. I know the Lasoya timmy has an insane amount of bounce if sweet spotted correctly.

- Digger