Lasoya banned from Pan AM ,WPF.

[Casper1ns]

I was in complete shock when i read this. I have to post it for you all.

PAINTBALL TERRORISTS EXPOSED.
Got text and permissions back from PBN just a bit faster that I expected. Here is the complete text as published in Painball News, March 8 03. The full editorial will also soon be posted with prominance at the PPS site and anywhere else I can put it in a few individuals faces.
PAINTBALL INDUSTRY TERRORISTS!
The sport of paintball is in danger from certain types of players, referees,
careless promoters and complacent industry people!!!
By Guy D. Cooper - As printed in Paintball News ( March 8,2003 )
www.paintballnews.com

RESPONSIBLE PAINTBALL--BANNING PLAYER¹S

The MSTS finals were held at the Denver, Colorado USA, National Western,
Indoor complex, November 23-24. Wayde Samuel was the last player of the
Yarddog team facing four of the opponents. Chris Lasoya, bunkered Wayde.
His move was very good, but it was not necessary to shoot him twelve times
in the head. As a result, Wayde was knocked out cold and was unresponsive.
Paramedics deemed it necessary to have him ambulanced to the hospital. He
was cat scanned etc.. and released 7 hours later, having suffered a
concussion.

Lasoya claimed he only pulled the trigger 6 or so times while admitting
he put 12 balls onto Wayde. It does not matter whether he pulled the trigger
12 times, trigger bounce occured, the marker was set on burst mode
illegally, or there was a malfunction, pulling the trigger 6 times to shoot
someone in the head deliberately is inexcusable. A player, especially a
professional level player such as Lasoya with years of experience, is
responsible for being in control of the marker, marker settings, and
particularly of his trigger finger. There is no excuse for putting that many
balls onto someone's head or forehead, at point blank range.

I think this is unacceptable paintball. It is not cool, not fun, hurts
the sport and does not impress me one bit. The high rates of fire and this
kind of pointblank headshot shooting or any other kind of punishment
bunkering is not going to attract recreational paintball players. It does
nothing but put players at risk for serious injury, blindness in one or both
eyes should a goggle system be dislodged or possibly even death.

It is time to change the rules and get rid of Prima Donnas that think
punishment bunkering is a cool thing to do. Shouldn't we, as industry
leaders work to protect the industry from players like LaSoya, who are truly
no good for the future of paintball? Here is the kicker, LaSoya has been
banned "for life" from the Pan Am and the WPF (when the WPF was run by Jim
Lively with Bill Bryant as the director of judging). Banned for similar
unacceptable behavior. Wayne Samuel runs the largest paintball field in
Colorado. He and myself also sponsor one of the oldest teams in the
country, the Yarddogs. Wayne has informed the MSTS that the Yarddogs will
not play in next years MSTS if LaSoya is allowed in the tournament.

In Chris LaSoyas¹ email to me, he expresses remorse for playing in this
event. Why did the promoter allow some pro player¹s in a novice/amateur
event? He was not the only "pro" allowed to play, either. LaSoya also
offered an apology and expressed it was not his intention to hurt anyone.
He goes on to say in another email, "I find it hard to change the style of
play I am loved and hated for." He ends the message with, "play hard and
play fast or don¹t play at all". Wow! That statement sure fits our wide
market image! I think not! Tournament players represent the smallest share
of paintball and as a former tournament player, I would not subscribe to his
philosophy.

La Soya was banned for life from the Pam Am, for his behavior. They
said, LaSoya was apologetic at the Pan Am also. The mother of Wayde works
at the high school from which a number of paintball players attend. One of
those players came to her and mentioned LaSoya was bragging about what he
did. He was being sponsored by "Pod *****" (offensive name in itself, can¹t
you see Michael Jordan wearing some similar name on TV?). At the
pod*****.com site they made light of the event saying, in print, "a Timmy
put some fool in the hospital". A Timmy is slang for a Bob Long Intimidator
paintball marker.

Incredibly, Jeremy Salm, another pro player also played the MSTS (a
rookie, novice and amateur series). This is the same person who was
banned, for his behavior at the World Cup and from ever playing for a team
sponsored by JT, ViewLoader or any other Brass Eagle Brand. . (Source:
paintball2xtremes magazine). As it was reported by Warpig.com: "Ground Zero
Gold faced Avalanche in the preliminary rounds on the National Paintball
Supply field, on the South edge of the tournament complex. After a few GZ
players were eliminated, they stood in the dead box trying to figure out who
had shot them. They had been hit in the back. GZ player Pete Utschig
looked out in the woods and spotted some blond hair. He bolted from the
dead box, and reportedly chased down and apprehended Jeremy Salm of
Avalanche dressed in black, with a black paintgun. Statements had been made
prior to the game that Salm was ill, so Avalanche team owner and retired
player Ed Poorman was playing in his place on Friday. Source:
(warpig.com/paintball/tournament/nppl/2002/worldcup/index.shtml) Salm was
chased down and caught. , Brass Eagle, Inc. is convinced that Salms actions
were taken on his own, without the knowledge of other team members; however,
because all team sponsorship contracts incorporate behavior clauses, an
undisclosed punitive fine will be assessed against Team Avalanche to
reinforce the importance of team responsibility in all matters. Hence, Brass
Eagle will continue to sponsor Team Avalanche, under certain stringent
conditions. Oh yes, Salm and LaSoya formerly played for Avalanche. During
their tenure, the Avalanche team was on probation for 3 NPPL tournament
games.

Incredibly, LaSoya was mentioned as the "Michael Jordan" of paintball in
the February 2003 issue of Paintball 2 Xtremes magazine. Who are they
kidding? Who would Michael Jordan be if he was banned from certain
basketball divisions for life? These types of paintball players are not
ambassadors for the sport of paintball.

Who in their right mind would allow someone to play who has been banned
from the Pan Am, kicked out of a WPF and had a number of other controversial
incidents? We are wanting paintball to be televised more, parents are in
the bleachers watching their children play, Disney is getting into the
sport. With that in mind, we cannot allow players whose goal in life seems
to being nothing but headshots, cheating, and bringing disruption and shame
to themselves and ultimately to the sport of paintball.

How might we go about forming an Organization for Responsible Tournament
Paintball, that keeps a roster of banned players? This idea is being tossed
around. The idea is, if a player is suspended or put on probation in one
league, it will show up in a central player database. Other leagues would
be free to make their own rules and how to handle these players. At least
they would be on notice. Such leagues may even have a fiduciary
responsibility to not allow player¹s known to cause injury to other players.
There are moves being made in this direction for 2003 by the IPPI, using the
PanAm ID card system that has proved excellent for tracking individual
players for several years. Ringers and players on probation or suspended are
in the data base where any tournament circuit involved with IPPI can be
aware of them.

Banning players does not just apply to tournament players but applies to
rec ball player¹s and scenario players. It is simply good business to rid
our industry of these kinds of players. I owned a field for nine years.
During that time, we had to send players home for being drunk and for
fighting. If they did the same thing again, they were banned from the field
for life. We had a frat house come play and no matter how many times we
warned the players and spectators to keep their goggles on, they would not
do so. We could not get the team captain to control his people. We
personally delivered a letter to the frat house, stating, for their own
safety and the safety of others we could no longer let their members play at
our field.

TOURNAMENT SPORTSMANSHIP

I had a nice talk with Richard Fraige who owns Soft Gel-Caps West. He
attended a tournament and was dismayed by what he saw. There were many
women and children spectators. Yet, players just cussed and showed very
unruly behavior. He mentioned this to a field ref and was told "this is a
high pressure sport and it is not uncommon for players to cuss and blow off
steam", and then proceeded to tell Richard to go sit with the spectators.
At the same event, Richard told the head ref that the players hopper was
hit. He was told to shut the "blank" up. At the end of the game, the head
ref was seen walking off with that same player.

If parents start seeing this kind of unruly behavior, they are not going to
want their kids to play paintball.

In closing, I would like to say, the majority of paintball players,
referees and event promoters are wonderful, consciences people who want to
see the paintball industry flourish "AND" do the proper things to help the
industry flourish. A player like Chris LaSoya, who I know personally, is
not a "bad" person, in fact, he is quite personable. It is just his actions
that are no good for the growth of paintball, as is the case of other
negative actions mentioned in this editorial.

Guy D. Cooper

[Ebonclaw]

Actually, I beat you to your thread, it's already in tourny talk, I gave them a link to your story. Thanks though!

[spyder5x5]

:confused:
Soooooo, what's your point? Do you agree with the article.
What are you shocked about? That he got banned or that he can't controll himself?
Tell me, why would a PRO like Lasoya even put ONE ball into a guys head, I mean if your that good, you should be able to hit another part of the body just as easily.
I think they should cut off at least one of the fingers from his shooting hand as pumnishment, I know I would, and I'm not a violet guy, but I guess that's not allowed so we have to stick with the ban, oh well.
SEMPER FI!

[heyheyhey]

my vote goes toooooooooo

lasoya is an idiot, period

he ALWAYS gets hot gun penalty,s this, and numorous other things


he should be suspended from everything for 2 months, let him back, see if hes cleaned up

there are lots of other people i could nominate for this also

[Casper1ns]

ooooooo not two months. You honestly think that two months will make him change?

[heyheyhey]

2 months is harsh for someone that play 4 days a week, and paintball is what makes ends meet

it would make me think about my actions if i got it

[Ebonclaw]

Let him play, just have him castrated so he can't breed....

No seriously, I think they did the right thing. Not that Lasoya really cares about the Pan-AM.

[CornMonkey]

linky (http://pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=201224)

here's a thread from another forum that talked about this very same issue. on page 2, the hurt player's friend/teammate during the game comes in and gives his point of view. on page 3, lasoya himself supposedly comes in to give his perspective.

it was interesting reading it all.

[heyheyhey]

oh my...:rolleyes:

yes, i read the whole thing

Originally Posted by LaSoya on PBN
I wont be playing in any local tournaments again

well of course not...... hes banned, so he can make himself sound great, but it means NOTHING

[pEnNyWiSdOm225]

I think he should get banned fir doing something like that hes a nutcase

[bluesboyk3]

Hi there, just wanna share a bit on this case. I agree that a seasoned player of LaSoya's level should be able to control his shooting a little bit. But branding him a terrorist in paintball ?? I think that's kinda overrated. I know that it's bad and he was banned for his behavior, but everybody makes mistakes, and he apologized to that poor dude.
This is not a good news for paintball, and hopefully all paintballers alike could reflect on this situation and not to create more bad images for paintball.

[Jaster]

This past weekend My team mate pulled off a great set of bunker moves that eliminated all 3 players of the other team in the same run. He fired 12 shots and got all three. One of the other teams members actually had her back to my teammate and he put 1 hit on her. Just 1!! That was all that was needed. So if a Rookie player can pull a move like that without over shooting anyone why can't a pro handle that against only one player?

[heyheyhey]

i agree

there are these wondrous things called trigger "deboucers"..... mebe lasoya should look into one

[magsrule]

okay, lasoya's a tool. he shoots hot, wipes a lot and is known for not using the debounce setting but banning him for this is harsh.

things to consider

1.) the authoer hates lasoya (he really does).
2.) 6 balls are the legal limit. he claims 6 pulls, they cant touch him.
3.) it was punishment bunker, he had to hit the first body. part he saw.
4.) the kid knew he was alone, he coulda called himself out.
5.) he was shooting at least 12 bps, meaning it all happened in half a second or less.

I personally hate lasoya, but this shouldn't have happened to anyone, not even jaremy salm.

[bluesboyk3]

personally hate lasoya, but this shouldn't have happened to anyone, not even jaremy salm.

I dunno about Salms thou, it's strait up cheating and it's really2 dirty (shooting form the back). He certainly had no regards for his teammate; he deprived them for having a fair fight/competition w/ the other team. Good thing he got caught by the other player.

[Sid]

Originally posted by magsrule
okay, lasoya's a tool. he shoots hot, wipes a lot and is known for not using the debounce setting but banning him for this is harsh.

things to consider

1.) the authoer hates lasoya (he really does).
2.) 6 balls are the legal limit. he claims 6 pulls, they cant touch him.
3.) it was punishment bunker, he had to hit the first body. part he saw.
4.) the kid knew he was alone, he coulda called himself out.
5.) he was shooting at least 12 bps, meaning it all happened in half a second or less.

I personally hate lasoya, but this shouldn't have happened to anyone, not even jaremy salm.

I think banning him is the least he deserves!

1. a supposed "apology" ending with: "play hard and
play fast or don¹t play at all." As if playing hard or fast is any excuse for what he did.

2. 6 pulls, 12 balls, oh yes they can touch him. Doesn't matter if he claimes he only pulled it once, there were 12 balls shot.

3. Punishement? You don't see a problem right there? The sooner the Dennis Rodmans of the paintball world are eliminated the better off paintball will be. A pro should be role model, not a social outcast... punishing lower skilled players? Unbelievable!

4. The "kid" didn't make Lasoya shot 12 rounds. The "kid" did absolutely nothing wrong.

5. So what does that mean, it's okay? How come all players everywhere aren't using that excuse?

Hey, even Mike Tyson gets banned for biting people's body-parts off. Shooting a player to unconsciousness has no defense, neither does cheating!

[p8ntball1016]

Originally posted by bluesboyk3
Hi there, just wanna share a bit on this case. I agree that a seasoned player of LaSoya's level should be able to control his shooting a little bit. But branding him a terrorist in paintball ?? I think that's kinda overrated. I know that it's bad and he was banned for his behavior, but everybody makes mistakes, and he apologized to that poor dude.
This is not a good news for paintball, and hopefully all paintballers alike could reflect on this situation and not to create more bad images for paintball.

lasoya is bad for paintball. we do not need people like him playing paintball:atten:

[I-PyThOn-I]

personally, i feel that if you were there and watched what happend first hand, you can open your mouth, if not, keep it shut becuase no matter how bad of a thing he did i garantee it was not as bad as it sounds, especially when the article was written buy a guy that has a hatred for Lasoya AND was NOT present as this happend. Word to mouth can change things amazing ammounts: Has anyone ever played Telephone?

However the story goes, people make mistakes, christ it's not like this is THAT big of a deal. Lasoya has already spoken to the person he bunkered in person AND on the phone, and he has spoken on the PBN forums to the nosy 3rd party who really has no need to get into this mess, this is between Lasoya and the gentlemen he bunkered, no one else.

to sum it up i guess my main point is if your going to listen to stuff like this from a NON 1st hand witness, then take that info with a grain of salt and realize that it is most likely not the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.


-scott

P.S. - Getting knocked out is overatted, it means very little, i've been knocked out more times than i remember (catch that irony? :laugh: ) and i was over it 2 tylanol and a few hours later. Not to mention it's not exactly hard to get knocked out, there is a sport that the purpous is to knock your opponnent out for christ sake!

[I-PyThOn-I]

Originally posted by p8ntball1016


lasoya is bad for paintball. we do not need people like him playing paintball:atten:


Oh yeah and one more thing:

Howmany hundreds upon hundreds of times do you think this has happend at local feilds, and tournies around the world? People just sit and jump on every little thing a professional athlete does good or bad, but if JOHN DOE does it at a small feild in Down Town Nowhere no one hears or cares about it? For God sake mind your own buisness and let people with autority make the judements that need to be made, don't bash people you know little about on the internet of all places.

terrorist to paintball?????? give me a ****ing break, that is the most rediculous thing i've ever heard on an internet forum and i'm not even going to go into details why, the civilized people in here should be able to grasp it.

[Jaster]

Originally posted by I-PyThOn-I
Oh yeah and one more thing: ..., but if JOHN DOE does it at a small feild in Down Town Nowhere no one hears or cares about it?

That's because it's not expected from John Doe. It IS expected from a pro player. The team, other players, refs, sponsors, and spectators expect more out of a pro. Everything from fairplay to professionalism. That's also why John Doe isn't a pro player.

As for us minding our own business, well, it is. As players we are all responsible for our image together. One looks bad so do the rest of us. The conflict IS between Lasoya and the kid he bunkered. I'll give you that. However what people like Lasoya (and yes I'm generalizing) who are always in trouble for one thing or another are, like I said our business. The refs decide what happens on the field. JQ public decides what happens to paintball. Lawmakers, parents, and the general public opinion. Not field refs, sponsors, NPPL/PamAM/PSP......Not to mention this is an open forum of opinions and we all have the god given right to express it. and believe me when I tell you, the people here (including myself) are some of the most opinionated SOBs you'll ever meet. You'll have to get over that part. You don't like our opinions, don't listen to them. You don't have to agree or like them, and that's fine. Don't tell us not to have them, say them or post them. It will never happen.

As far as getting knocked out, how the hell can you say it's not a big deal. Your brain is getting rattled around in you scull hard enough and long enough that it no longer can function and shuts down. I'd say that was a big deal. It also can cause brain damage. This kid didn't walk off the field with a headache looking for Advil and a beer. He was carried off to a hospital with a concussion. Yes there are sports where K.O.ing someone is ok. This isn't one of them is it? Didn't think so.

Lasoya did apologize, so he says and so did others. Does that make everything better now? Not really. How he handled the end result was good. I'm sure he didn't mean to K.O. the kid. Simple fact is he did. It could have been prevented with a touch of control on his part. I don't care who he is. 12 shots to the head is too much. Period. The trigger thing is a bit odd too don't you think? Pulled 6 times HE said. Hit 12 times HE said. Hmmm...If it's coming from him I guess it can't be a rumor. Oh wait...He lied maybe? Just to cause a ruckus.

As far as bashing Lasoya? I don't know him from Jack. Honestly could less too. People with that type of attitude and lack of self control ARE bad for this sport. That style of playing would be bad in any sport not just this one no matter what his/her name is.

Were YOU there? If not, you got a lot of balls preaching. If so, why don't you correct our information in conversation and give us the "real" facts you speak of.

Lastly, I have to agree with you on the terrorist comment. The author was WAY out of line on that one. No one deserves to be called that.

[Fastlearner]

I have been reading this string and a couple of things come to mind.

Chris LaSoya is considered a professional. He has been recognized by Bob Long With a signature marker. That means that there a minimum standard of behavior that is expected of him. I would hope that this standard would help propel paintball in a positive direction. If he has violated this minimum standard then as a Responsible Professional Adult, then he should either modify his behavior to reflect this standard or accept his punishment. We do not judge him, but he must be held accountable for less than professional conduct.

As a Professional Paramedic, I have a certain minimum standard of behavior. It is call a code of conduct or code of ethics. As a professional, if I violate that code I can suffer suspension, be fired, be sued, lose my license, or any combination of those. Moreover, I lose the trust and respect of my peers and my community. The next time I try to push for something that can benefit my patient, my peers (Doctors, Nurses, and other Paramedics) will not know whether or not to trust me because I don't play by the rules that keep people safe and honor the rights of others.

If you want an analogy between paintball professionalism and EMS professionalism watch these three videos:

1) Emergency! a 1970's TV series that set the standard of conduct that people expect, to this day, of paramedics. It legitimized my profession to the point that I can support my wife and kids with it.

2) Mother, Jugs, and Speed a Movie that spoofed EMS in it's infancy. Not the paramedics I want taking care of me if they really existed

3) Bringing Back the Dead a recent movie where a burned out Medic is struggling with whether or not to leave EMS.

Which of these three ways would you like the uninformed public to see professional paintball?

To those of you who state that a concussion is no big deal. Any trauma that results in a loss of consciousness should be evaluated by a doctor in an ER with CT's and other diagnostics. Unless You have an "S" on your chest or MD after your name, you cannot tell if the unconsciousness was a "mild concussion" or a deadly inter-cranial bleed without an MRI or CT. A young girl recently died of a head bleed at a Professional Hockey game when a puck made it past the safety glass and struck her in the head. Her father thought that she'd be OK and he could drive her to the ER for a few stitches.

Finally, my signature is my code of ethics to paintball. If I'm not safe or the situation is not safe, I don't play. I want to spend my time on the field not in the ER and I want my fellow players with me on that field. When I am fair I help give a future player that gentle nudge that say's " come on it's great fun!" If I cheat then I rob myself of any realization that I am capable of winning fairly and I harshly shove potential players and supporters away from the sport. At the ripe old age 35 and at 230 lbs my body constantly tells me the next morning that I've played too hard. I'll crawl to the first bunker if that's all my body will let me because this is a great sport. Where else can you use most of your senses to combine strategy like chess and speed like soccer in a dynamic 15 minute game?

[pbweasel]

i agree with python. everyones overeacting

[p8ntball1016]

Originally posted by pbweasel
i agree with python. everyones overeacting

yeah. lasoyas a complete moron but dont call him a terrorist:dunce:

[Forest Spyder]

What was LaSoya doing at a freaking Amateur/Novice event in the first place???

Secondly, LaSoya is definetly a whore.

Went from WDP to Bob Long.

He left Warped Sportz with the freaking bag, and kicked dirt in their face, since they made the CLASS IR3, and now suddenly here comes the Chris LaSoya Intimidator.

I bet that whore knew the whole time that that was gonna go down, and still let Warped make his signature IR3, while he and billy bob starting --- around with his personal series of Intimidators

[Mightymouse]

Listen,he aplogized and im sure he felt bad for him and all.and another thing have u ever seen a pro shoot.they shoot about 20 balls a second so.. cant u see that he might have been excited or sumthing.back in November i played in this young guns tournament and i beat some amateur to the center 50 off the break and i bunkered him.i shot 2 times and then got back in my bunker.then the guy was already eliminated then when he was walkin to the dead box all of a sudden he came running over the top of my bunker and shot me 18 times point blank.and all the refs did was pull another one of his players.he didnt even apologize.him and his team just kinda giggled about it.if wasnt 4"10 and he wasnt 5"11 i would have went over there and kicked ,so tough luck.i fell sry for wayne and all butthinhs happen.and one of my teammates back in janurary got shot 11 times in the neck and head so another one of my precious points.i know that wayne got a concussion and all but Chris couldnt help how his gun shot.


later,cM
Team Adrenaline
www.t-adrenaline.com
www.paintballjunkies.com
www.extremeragesports.com

[Jaster]

Originally posted by Mightymouse
.. cant u see that he might have been excited or sumthing.

Can't you see the total lack of control that is expected from a pro player?

As far as your November "young guns" game... again it goes back to what I said before. That's not a pro team. With that type of attitude while playing they probably won't ever be a pro team. They played through a hit. Last I checked that was cheating. You seriously think anyone is going to us seriously at the lower levels when the pro's in our sport act like a-holes? Great image for the general public about us don't you think?

If a baseball player hits someone with his bat what do think is going to happen? Tennis player with his racket? Hockey player with is stick? You hurt someone while cheating, losing your temper, either by accident or with intent, you are gone in some way shape or form. Either the game or games, the season, the year or for good.

Lastly, keep in mind folks that this is not Lasoya's first offense. Ban for life? Don't know about that. Suspended for a season. Better, maybe. Either way he got busted for playing though a hit and simply punished the kid. HE ADMITTED TO IT! Yes he apologized and maybe does feel bad. Well, good for him. That make everything ok now? His actions after the fact and off the Field are not in question here. It's his actions ON the field that are. He cheated like a man now it's time to take his punishment like a man. He doesn't like it, tough crap. I say this to my kid when he's being an idiot, and my dad said it to me many times. "You should have thought of that before you were being a dumb*****." Same to Lasoya, he's doesn't like being banned, he should have thought of that before he cheated. I have no sympathy for cheaters. Even less for those that smear the image of our sport.

Oh ya'. Guns don't shoot on their own ya' know. They need help. So yes, he could have helped how his gun fires. I have the same friggin one. So does half my team. We don't put 12 shots on people that we knew were out 9 shots ago.

[kody206]

i heard that LaSoya Timmies were messed up from th factory (or maybe it was just his) and the faster that you shot them the velocity would start to climb... i heard that he was leaving blood welts off the break :eek:

i heard that a ref was shooting it and noticed that it would shoot considerably faster so they chronoed it and it was shooting somewhere around 340FPS... so no wonder the guy got KO'd. plus i thought that after that incident they banned LaSoya Timmies from NPPL for the reasons stated above

[Jaster]

There are two "LaSoya Timmys" on my team and the only problem either of them have had with it was the cup seal. They're very consistent and I've never seen them or heard of them having a problem like that.

[ZZYZX]

Over-reactin or not...look at the trend in this fool's (meaning LaSoya, of course) playing history.

-No debouncer.
-Numerous penalties for shooting hot (this is impossiblt to happen on accident, this is a purposeful move after chrono).
-Wipes paint.

These things ALONE should have removed the dolt from the tourney circuit. But they didn't. Instead it took someone receiving an undue injury requring medical attention, from a Tourney player rocking the trigger like a nervous newbie.

What a pu$$y. I'd bet even money I could have made the elimination with 1 shot. It's sad to admit, but spray is replacing skill in the tourney circuit IMHO. LaSoya is just another example of spray instead of skill, mixed with a low IQ and a bad temper.

Bad form.

[negativepulse3]

chris lasoya would be cool...




















if he wasnt uncool, he is dumb, and not cool

[Jaster]

Originally posted by negativepulse3
chris lasoya would be cool...

if he wasnt uncool, he is dumb, and not cool

SO THERE!!! Take THAT!! :D

j/k;)

[Cpl_D]

I don't agree with paintball "terrorist"

He is supposed to be a professional though, but this incident just proves that he's not a true professional by his actions on the field.

[Jaymz]

ok I didnt read all the replies but me playing recball I can rip pretty good on my mag and have only played a year and get pretty pumped up, I dont think ive EVER shot someone 12 times, let alone 12 times in the head. I am able to control myself why should layosa? Hes an idiot, theres people like him all over though so it really makes sense, theres idiots on all sports that give it a bad rep. On the other hand hes no terrorist and paintball IS an _extreme_ sport so the guy should have gone in knowing he was at danger for a concussion broken bone, whatever. It still does not make up for the fact though of what Layosa did. I will never buy any layosa product, simply because they are butt ugly and then I read this so it sets it.

[slapcornpoopfac]

I think what he did was bad and should be punished, like how they did bann him from PamAm and stuff... but thats as far as it should go, because i understand how this could of happend to some extent, and to some extent it was a very bad and unreasonable thing to do. but calling him a terrorist is way beyond nessasary and shouldnt be done.

[h0p]

if he was a sniper like me it wouldnt happen ;[

[slapcornpoopfac]

rofl

[VRstrange]

man ..im sorry the guy got shot up and all but...seriously...I play tournaments....and last week i got bunkered and took 2 the the forehead.. 4 on top and 3 to the back of the head....and yes it hurt like hell...but i was fine after that. Chris is the best player in the world. He is my idol and all of yall are just haters. Chris is one of the most cool headed plays ull meet.

[HotelSecurity]

"P.S. - Getting knocked out is overatted, it means very little, i've been knocked out more times than i remember (catch that irony? ) and i was over it 2 tylanol and a few hours later. Not to mention it's not exactly hard to get knocked out, there is a sport that the purpous is to knock your opponnent out for christ sake!"

Getting knocked out isn't overrated. Do you know why you get knocked out medically? It's not just for ****s n giggles. You don't always conveniently wake up with a small headache.

Yes, in boxing you're supposed to knock people out, but that's not the purpose of paintball. It's not justified.

[5left]

getting knocked out isn't any big deal..lol...I have had 6 minor concussions.....but you are taking a chance by not getting checked out....

I've been lucky that none of mine have been a big deal...
they are one reason I had to quit playing hockey....


now, I do know about the excited trigger deal...I got in trouble last season for 8 shots to someones head and neck...
but, he was far enough away that all 8 shots were in the air before the first one hit... (i quit on the trigger because I figured one would hit him)

12 is excessive, but I am tired of hearing that it was point blank...maybe it was, but how far away was he?? if he is running and just pulling the trigger, then how the heck does he know how many balls he shot? i just run and pull the trigger till someone is out...

it was wrong, but it still sounds like kids playing "telephone" like was mentioned earlier...there has been no facts or anything so far except the number of hits...

[APA_Thunder]

Here are the "facts"

1. He bunkered him
2. He hit him 12 times

1a. We say point blank range because when you bunker someone you are at that range.

2a. If this is a fact then its undeniably excessive. You ALL agree that 12 shots is excessive. I'm pretty much a n00b compared to this guy and I've never lost control to that point.

He's no terrorist but he is definately a clown like Rodman. I agree that he should be banned for a few months.

[Speed Ball]

I think he deserves that.. thats really ****ed up what he did and deserves it

[TM pro TC]

wow...is that basicly saying that we should not be allowed to bunker people...cus thats what i was getting out of it...but thats me:pissed:

[XsasX]

i'm sorry but what exactly is debouncer?

[Relentless]

Originally posted by XsasX
i'm sorry but what exactly is debouncer?

with elects, you can get trigger bounce, and it increases you rof by a ton (1:45am, too late to explain...)

debouncer stops that, and makes it legal...

i dont know how they work, any1 wanna fill me in?

[ABUH]

just because hes a pro player... dusent mean he wont make mistakes he may have been nervous and over shot the fact that it was on burst may have been something he overlooked.

[Jaster]

Lasoya and nervous don't belong in the same sentence. He's a strong and confident player. If he wasn't he wouldn't be a pro. He did make a mistake but not that way. He cheated, he got caught(half admitted to it), he got slapped for it. End game.

[opus16_16]

Doesn't he make like 7 million a year for all the sponsorships, I would expect more from a pro player.

[XsasX]

7 million sounds way to high. His gun probably brings in alot but 7 million sounds a little to high.

[opus16_16]

Im preety sure it is taht. I read it in a magizine.

[XsasX]

:eek: that is out of control

[snipinhick]

Originally posted by 5left
getting knocked out isn't any big deal..lol...I have had 6 minor concussions.....but you are taking a chance by not getting checked out....

If you have had 6 minor concussions, you must have a pretty soft skull..... I would kinda guess that from the response you gave...

I have been consucst 2 times, once so bad I was hospitalized. You think getting KO'ed is no big deal, then you have never experienced a good bit of a head injury. 12 in the head is no joke.
I had a realitive that DIED from an unchecked concussion... bleeding of the brain.

To set things back on track, I think all pro players are punks, If they are trully pro's the 4 of them would have NOT bunkered him, but flanked and eliminated him...... There is NO NEED to bunker someone if your 3 guys up on him. No need.... then to over shoot him? people like that are the people I wont play with....Salms and LaSoya are punk biatches, they have lost focus on WHY the game is even played in the first place.

[viper93]

i met and talked with lasoya for like an hour a half at the psp\x-ball chicago open and he is one of the nicest guys to talk paintball with. he is an aggressive player and that is what makes him the best. chris lasoya is the greatest player ever., and to boot he is a nice guy.

[opus16_16]

Originally posted by viper93
chris lasoya is the greatest player ever., and to boot he is a nice guy.

So how many times does it take shooting somebody in the head of greatly lesser talented player then himself to make him a bad guy:rolleyes:

[LlTE EM UP]

hey man,
i'll kick lasoya's *** for a box of paint!:agree:

[viper93]

it was an open tournament there was no stipulation as to what class of person could play on what team. that guy should have know that going into the tournament to begin with. when you do a bunker move you are runnign fast and aim at what you can and pull till you know they are out. on an angel and a timmy if you are walking the trigger when you do this 14-15 balls can be fired in a second and that is not a lot of time to react in that kind of situation. the man is a great player give him some credit.

[p8ntball1016]

Originally posted by LlTE EM UP
hey man,
i'll kick lasoya's *** for a box of paint!:agree:

i would do it for free!:D

[Jaster]

The thing is Viper is that he didn't pull the trigger 12 times. He pulled it 6. He said that himself. He had bounce. Also he said himself. Lasoya admitted to doing these things wrong. I'll give him credit for being honest. He did say he was sorry for it. He had no right being in an armature match in the first place, he had no right to have bounce in his trigger, he had not right to play through a hit, lastly he had no right stopping over a bunker and shooting down on someones head 12 times. He may be a good player. He'd beat me on the field but he's not the best ever. Cheaters NEVER are. If he WAS the best, he wouldn't have had to cheat in the first place. Especially in an armature match. Some have got to understand that Lasoya admitted these things. So how the hell can you argue what he did wrong? Lasoya isn't even arguing it. He's only pissy over the punishment.

[viper93]

i know he admited these things but look at some of the amature teams of there the naughty dogs went pro this year and have been winning 1st's like crazy it is completley reasonable that a pro player would play against amatures. rookies no, amatures yes. and i'm not arguing that what he did wasnt the best example of the sport but all these people saying that he represents what is worng with the sport today are just outta line.

[opus16_16]

Originally posted by viper93
it was an open tournament there was no stipulation as to what class of person could play on what team. .

Ok heres an example. Ill take basketball for instance. Say there is a ninth grade tournament. And there is this 6'4 kid in ninth grade that starts varisty and is all ready getting scouted by d 1 schools. But that kid plays in that tournament.

Is that fair?

[viper93]

yes it is. the good player is in the ninth grade and meets the qualifications for elegibility to play in the basketbal tournament. there si no reason to not allow him to play. it would be unfair to not allow him to play because he happens to have a height advantage or a better playing ability. he certainly wouldnt be allowed to play in like a 12th grade tournament. so it would be unfair if he didnt get to play. lasoya had every right to be in that tourny. just because it wasnt a pro event doesnt me he should sit around and wait till another pro event comes along. he loves the sport and wants to play as much as possible. do you really think that a local field would just let him play walk on games. i highly doubt it. he was total justified in playing that event

[Jaster]

Now take a NBA superstar and toss him the same 9th grade tourney. Is it still fair?
In an "open tourney" ok you're on your own and you know the risk. This wasn't an open tourney it was amature. Lasoya isn't amature. Yes he does have to wait for his class. At least for an open tourney. As an example... I play at GRC in Belfast NY. Home of Lockout. They don't play against us. They ref most of the time. When they do play it's open. When the do play against lower levels it's more of a practice. They sure as hell never knock anyone out showing off they actually take the time to tell you what you did wrong and what to do about it. They know what class they are and stay there. Why go backwards? He did it to show off. He knew he would win. If you're going to play a lower level it shouldn't be in a tourney. IMO Lasoya does represent what is wrong with our sport today. CHEATERS. He's not the only and he didn't start it but he put himself in that spotlight. Right up there with Salm. I expect better out of pros. In any sport you expect better from the pros. These are the people we look up to. You want to look up to a cheater? Of coarse not. I would hope anyway...

[viper93]

just because it was an amatuer tournament doesnt mean it wasnt an open tournament. the tournaments around here usually are rookie novice. rookie novice means that it is a team that has been playing tournaments for two years or less. now on those rookie novice teams there is no rule about amatures or pros forming another team and playing in the tourney. lets say you take bob long, chris lasoya, rocky knuth, and a bunch of other pros from different teams and they made a new team. it would be that temas first year in tourneys so they would be classified as a rookie team even though all of the plays on that team where pro's before. admittidly it is a loop hole in the rules but non the less it is still within the boundrys of the rule book.

[mcbunker]

tru, but that would be very ignorant on their part if they were to go into a rookie tournament. It would only discourage other people from playing. If they are pro, then they should stick to pro, not go to amateur tourneys and show off their skills

[viper93]

yeah a rookie playing pro would be a disgrace to that player and his team but in 99% percent of amateur tournys today the amateur team is as good as pro they just cant afford to play in the pro catagory. pro playin in amateur isnt a big deal especially in the big amateur tournys which this one was. the worl cup amateur i think it was, it was hosted in colorado and was a big event so it really wasnt that big of a deal.

[mcbunker]

still its an AMETEUR tourney, if lasoya is good enough to have bob long guns made for him, then i think he should be sticking to pro tourneys. going into this one is just showing his ignorance

[viper93]

have you ever met chris lasoya. well i have and i will tell you that he is one of the smartest paintball players out there. some of the strategys he comes up with are absolutley genious. he is a down to earth guy who eats,sleeps, and breathes paintball. is not ignorant in anyway. there is a lot of special circumstances when it comes to this whole amateur controversy surrounding him. i dont nessesarily believe all the media reports about the incident, the media has a tendency to warp things to fit their needs. lasoya is and will continue to be the best player in paintball.

[Jaster]

Originally posted by viper93
have you ever met chris lasoya. well i have and i will tell you that he is one of the smartest paintball players out there. some of the strategys he comes up with are absolutley genious...

All the more reason for him to stay in his class.

[viper93]

you can be an 11 year old kid and have never played a tournament and still come up with genious game plans. that is no reason for chris lasoya to only play pro events

[Jaster]

Well Lasoya isn't 11 and he IS a pro player...:rolleyes:

He screwed up and did something extremely dumb, he admitted to it(that's the part you really need to pay attention to Viper), said sorry, got punished for it, did his time. It's over.

Bunkering a kid in a lower level event and popping him in the head 12 times at point blank range with trigger bounce...great planning there...real genious. :rolleyes:

I just don't get the worship bud....even Chris himself didn't argue he had no right being there. How the hell can you? He said it was the dumbest thing he ever did.

[viper93]

if you look at one of my earlier posts i said that i know he admitted to having trigger bouce and to htting the guy with 12 balls. the kid was actually like 20 so its not like he was shooting at a 4th grader. i have never seen anything where he admitted to it being a mistake that he was there and i have read pretty much everything i can about him. he admitted it was a mistake having trigger bounce and over shooting but he never said that he or his team shoudlnt have been there.

[Jaster]

Well it would apear that you haven't read enough... Jesus, the way you stand up for him it's like you're either his girlfriend or his mother....Go to pbn. There is a thread there about this very topic (actually a few). You could also goto FON, IOG, BLforums...Now within that thread at pbn Lasoya himself speaks. Go read come back and say I was right. ok? OK.

Also so he shot a 20 year old...UNTIL HE WAS OUT COLD! So because it wasn't a 4th grader it's ok? Your splitting hairs now, don't ya' think?

I'm not bashing Lasoya's ability to play ball. I know he's good. He wouldn't be a pro baller if he wasn't. Also he'd most likely beat me into the ground in a 1 vs. 1 match (I would love to try it). However, he is still a cheater and not the god you're making him out to be. There are two reasons why you play at a level below your ability or status.
1- to teach those below you how to be better
2- to win with out question or challenge
What do you think Lasoya was doing? Trying to teach or win.

[viper93]

i'm defending him because he didnt cheat. if you looked at the rule books then you would know that what he did wasnt breaking any rules for that tourny. he may have not played the most ethically correct game of his career but he did not cheat. the trigger bouce was a mistake\malfunction. this argument is getting old. your obviously one of the guys who at a toruny argues any call if it isnt in your favor and then crys about it if it doesnt get changed so i'm dont replying to this thread its pointless. meet chris lasoya before you trash him and his playing.

[tippi98custom]

Originally posted by viper93
your obviously one of the guys who at a toruny argues any call if it isnt in your favor and then crys about it if it doesnt get changed

WOW!!! just wow why would you say that? i haven't seen anything that you can back that up with, mind showing me/us? so far i've seen him telling it the way hes sees it and you the way you see it, and to be honest i think its quite interesting, but because its getting a little heated doesnt mean you should go make an assumption about him like that!

[Jaster]

Originally posted by viper93
your obviously one of the guys who at a toruny argues any call if it isnt in your favor and then crys about it if it doesnt get changed

Now why did you go and make this personal? First off, I don't whine or cry about calls. I've had good ones and bad ones. I'll argue the bad ones just like anyone else but I don't become an *** about it. 99% of the time the ref is right. I've played enough to know that arguing with a head ref doesn't get you very far. Me and my team actually have a VERY good rep of NOT arguing calls. Feel free to check Headrush in Syracuse NY, GRC in Belfast NY, anyone from Lockout (who normally refs the GRC games and events), also you may feel free to call Ithica paintball in Ithica NY. All those places have web site with list of other teams that have played there. I've played against all of them. and some of them are on these forums. Feel free to talk to anyone of them and ask. Check and you'll find you are wrong and I'll be awaiting your apology. You wanna bash me boy you best have your **** in line because I will smoke you and spit you out where you stand. We worked hard for our rep as players and as a team and I will be DAMNED if I will let some little snotnose punk say other wise about my team and/or teammates. Especially when that person obviously doesn't have a friggin clue to what the hell they are talking about in the first place. Don't screw with me boy...you're out of you league as much as Lasoya was. And I can back my mouth. can you? Didn't think so.

Now as far as Lasoya cheating...didn't break any of the rules for that tourney? That's cute...it wasn't outlaw...you know tyhat right? So lets go over the rules....ready? Let's go.
Bounce, according to the rules is cheating due to the fact that multiple shots are being fired per one trigger pull. The rules specifically state "one shot per trigger pull". So you're wrong there....

A malfunction/mistake? Ya' it was a mistake alright. If a newbe can figure out how to NOT make his marker bounce a pro should be able to handle it. I'm no pro. My Timmy doesn't bounce. Hmmm...Malfunction? doubt it. His markers are maintained by air-smiths and BL techs. So....you're wrong there to....so that's what 3 so far...wow you're on a roll.

Also Lasoya played through a hit. Last time I checked the rule book... CHEATING. *cough* 4

On to morals and ethics... Anyone with any kind of morals or ethics would have stopped shooting as soon as it was realizes the opponent was hit. Your boy just kept on going like and energizer bunny...going and going and going....Now according to the rule book I do believe that "overshooting" in a violation of the rules.
Also IMO anyone that plays pro sports has no place in the minors. Why? Because they're pro and have already been there done that. Again as said before (which you never answered BTW) there are two reasons for someone to play in a lower level then what they have already earned. 1- to teach those below him 2- to show off and beat everyone which he most likely could have anyway. Which do YOU think he was doing? 1 or 2? Was he teaching or showing off. Don't avoid the question this time.

My views on Chris as a person. I don't know the guy. I have no opinion of him as a person. I have nothing to base an opinion on. As a player I feel he's a good player that needs to control himself and stay where he belongs. I gave him credit for being man enough to admit his errors, apologizing to the guy he punishment bunkered, and forking the bill for it all. He had the balls to stand up an admit he was wrong and that is something to be respected. Not once in any of my posts have I ever said anything nasty about lasoya other then I don't agree with his playing attitude and the way he does things and that IMO that particular image is not good for paintball as a whole. I don't need to bash Lasoya playing...he does that himself. Then there are those little facts that keep coming up...some of which you might want to read up on before you go running your mouth.

I lost count...where were we? 6? 7? Damn...I think that pretty makes all your points...well...pointLESS.

[#1UkrainianPBer]

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Nice one Jaster...

Nice.

[Techn9ne]

This is some stupid ****, cmon now. lasoya made a mistake, i can see maybe suspension or something but lifetime ban ? You dont see anybody is any other sport getting banned for life, except for uh tonya harding, but thats a whole other story.........
I say quit the *****ing and play the ****ing game.

[Kocker141]

If people arent careful the ROF of paintmarkers is going to end up extremely limited...

I really think there should be a cap somewhere along the lines of 15 or so...any more than that and it gets stupid.

[viper93]

jaster i'm sorry man my last post was way out of line and i do apologize. this whole argument is getting out of hand. in a lot of ways you are right what he did was morally and ethically wrong. he nor his team probably shoudlnt have been there. as i think about it more and more and after readin all of the posts you linked i realized i like him as a person and as a player but i dont nessesarily agree with how he plays. so again i apologize for what i said earlier i was way out of line. but for the record i'm not a snot nosed little punk and if i ever have the oppertunity i would love for our teams to play some time.:D

[Jaster]

Thank you Viper. Your apology is appreciated. I really like a fact filled debate and sometimes a good ol' argument. Just no need to make it personal. Again, you apology is appreciated. Next time you're in upstate NY swing by, we'll play you and your boyz.

I agree that a lifetime ban is too much. A season at worst would have been reasonable. Ya' Tanya got what she deserved. Now THAT was a punishment bunker.

[viper93]

if we ever do make it to ny then we'll look you up. and yeah a lifetime ban was to harsh and tonya harding got what she deserved

[mxmaniac2000]

everyone here is talking about "well it may have not been as bad as it sounds!!!" I was there and lasoya was way out of line on this one!! I think he should be punished very harshly. I think in order to bunker someone 4 balls is overkill!! Everyone in the paintball world is trying to get out a good name for us, but its things like this that make us seem like maniacs that are just out for blood. I think lasoya needs to be banned, play like this is not acceptable.

[mcbunker]

tru tru

n e way, i jus started playin n i have not heard of this tanya, what happened there?

[StealthElephant]

If the kid walked away with 12 bruises but didn't get knocked out no one would care. It's just cause the kid got knocked out, if the kid got knocked out by 2 shots they would still be ragging Lasoya for head hunting or something else, there's ALWAYS something else. Unless Lasoya 12 shot bunkers everyone or on a very consistent basis then it's just dumb. He shot him 12 times, most top end markers shoot 25+ BPS, the fact that he overshot should get him reprimanded, the fact that the kid he shot got knocked out should have nothing to do with it. Don't play if you dont' want to get hurt.

As for the cursing, that guy who wrote that article is completely biased in everything he wrote. Every professional sport from hockey to basketball has cursing. Go to a game, there's more then enough swear words going around from players.

[opus16_16]

Originally posted by StealthElephant
most top end markers shoot 25+ BPS

Can you pull a trigger that fast?

I know i cant

[Techn9ne]

I dont see why everybody is talking about "a bad name for the sport". This sport will never be outlawed, they would outlaw boxing before they would get rid of p ball. Even if it did get outlawed we could always go play at indian reserves like the UFC :)

[viper93]

this lasoya incident isnt going to give paintball a bad name. sammy sosa got caught with a corked bat you dont see baseball in ruins. no body outside of the paintball community knows about this incident anyways. as for the tona harding thing. like in the mid 1990's at the olympic figure skating competion, tonya harding was a figure skater who hired someone to bash a rival in the knees to remove her from competion. she got in big trouble, she went to prison for about 9 months and was fined heavily. about the 25 +bps thing. it is very easy to walk the trigger on an angel or timmy up to around 16 balls per second but that still doesnt change the fact that he had trigger bounce and that is against the rules.

[mcbunker]

heh thanks, and ya, i totally agree wit u:D

[Techn9ne]

I gotta say though, even though it was ****ed, 12 shots in the head is still pretty good aim even at close distances:laugh:

[StealthElephant]

Just ban him for the right reasons....he claims he only pulled the trigger 6 times, warn him for close range bunkering, but since he's claiming only 6 pulls, suspend him for illegal trigger. The fact the kid got hurt shouldn't mean a thing. Any arguement made other then the fact his trigger fired more then how many times he pulled is dumb.

[HP_Lovecraft]

He shot him 12 times, most top end markers shoot 25+ BPS, the fact that he overshot should get him reprimanded, the fact that the kid he shot got knocked out should have nothing to do with it

The issue is safety-
With modern electros, it is extremely easy to cheat now. FPS and BOUNCE can be adjustment electronically.

Full Autos have been around since 1986. Why have they never been allowed in tournaments? Because it is too easy to overshoot someone.

Yes, many guns can do 25bps, but that is -25- deliberate pulls of the trigger. That is a big difference then 25bps using F/A, Burst, Reponse, bounce, or any other illegal mode.

And thats the core of it. Lasoya was using an illegal gun. Huge safety violation. However, it is very difficult to catch, so they made an example out of him.

Perhaps the punishment was unfair, but it made paintball a little safer.

Nick

[truefreestyle]

Paintball is supposed to be a fun sport but still serious. But that dosen't mean we should pick fun at other paintball players or intentionally hurt others (honestly grow up, were not in school sports). Players like these should be taken off the fields. Mainly more famous people because every time they pull an act like these they get away with it or get media attention.
This then gives more paintball players the idea of using these methods to maybe even get attention. Off all people to cheat and play unsportsmanlike like it should't be pro players. Players like these should be banned from paintball. Paintball is a growing sport and media attention like this could seriously hurt it in the end.
I do agree to a point with lahoya though, about his statement that you play you take a risk. But thats no excuse to seriously hurt someone. Like I said earlier if we allow these players to play paintball its image will only be hurt in the end.:pissed:

[Despoiler]

Lasoya is a cheater. He has been caught MULTIPLE times breaking the same rules. That is why he got/gets banned. These are not isolated incidents where he did it 1 time and could possiblely be an accident. He does it and keeps doing it.

To all the people saying he is a nice guy, well I don't doubt that. Pedophiles are generally real nice people too until they molest your child. Extreme example but you get the point i hope.

Paintball can stand to lose a really good player that is a bad apple. No matter your God given gifts, he does not have a very imporant one. Self control. Paintball as a sport has a lot to overcome in terms of its image. We use air guns that shoot projectiles and play essetnially a war game. That is all people assume. Any bad media is automatically tied to every single one of us. Lasoya makes the news about how he KO'd someone and gave them a concusion, and now paintball is a dangerous sport and all of us are heartless, war mongering, people that have no control. Then the ignorrant law makers take over and start banning or restricting things. That is just the reality of our sport.

Any issue, including ones that involve saftey are bad for everyone. For safety incidents in PB, the insurance companies increase rates. So if PB becomes more dangerous, the insurance goes up, which puts small fields out of business potentially, or increases the field rates to cover the cost. It is all passed to the consumer eventually. That is one reason why there are saftey rules aside from the fact that people getting hurt is not a fun experience for the injured.

[devilman2646]

when are people going to realize that this type of incident isnt going to be the downfall of the sport. seriously if a news channel airs a story about it how many people do you seriously think are going to understand exactley what they are talking about...............not many if you hadnt guessed. all these people who see unsafe play on malcom in the middle, or MTV's ******* need to realize that if anything it will inspire intrigue into the sport were people can learn the right way to play and then realize that the tv show was wrong. i mean is like you guys want an act of congress to say that no tv show can show paintball unless they follow strict field saftey guidelines and such. quit giving your selves a heart attack and just play the sport already.

[ejk1988]

just shoot him in the head till he passes out and has a concussion every time he messes up like that

[mcbunker]

:laugh:

[truefreestyle]

Originally posted by devilman2646
when are people going to realize that this type of incident isnt going to be the downfall of the sport. seriously if a news channel airs a story about it how many people do you seriously think are going to understand exactley what they are talking about...............not many if you hadnt guessed.
Just to say every time I mention paintball anymore I hear about that stupid bambi thing. Major media attention about bad stuff really hurts paintball. My parents are strict. Trust me if they ever heard of bambi they'd never let me play again. Anyway I told my parents that they shot the paintballs really slow (otherwise I couldn't play). So something like this really can hurt paintball!

[viper93]

man that bambi thing was nothing it aired and the next day the guy said it was a scam. i mean seriously sammy sosa got caught with a croked bat you dont see baseball in ruins. god knows how many football players have been caught with coke,hookers,*** hookers, more hookers,stolen cars, spousle abuse problems. football isnt hangin up the towel. this incident isnt going to affct paintball at all except for those people directley involved and its only affecting us buy making us angry it happened or tired that it keeps being brought up

[truefreestyle]

Yeah I see what you mean. But all the media ever does is picks out the bad parts of paintball. So we sorta gotta watch ourselves somewhat. Especially if we ever wanna watch paintball on tv. At least nobody in paint ball"s pulled a Koby Briant yet.

[viper93]

yeah we have to watch ourselves but if something does happen it isnt worth hemoriging over. wait till rocky knuth gets caught with a coked up hooker in a stolen car and then everything wont seem as bad and paintball will still be around.

[Jaster]

Originally posted by Despoiler
He does it and keeps doing it....
To all the people saying he is a nice guy, well I don't doubt that. Pedophiles are generally real nice people too until they molest your child. Extreme example but you get the point i hope.... Lasoya makes the news about how he KO'd someone and gave them a concusion, and now paintball is a dangerous sport and all of us are heartless, war mongering, people that have no control.


Well I know I've been pretty voicy over this. I had the opportunity to meet and play with and against Lasoya, a few others from M.E., and Bob Long at the BL timmy tech class in NJ this past Tues. I must say that Chris is indeed a very nice pretty laid back guy. He does play very hard and he did not take it easy on any of us there. He also gave pointers and tips after shooting you all to hell. I also saw a lot of control, team work, and professionalism I would expect from a player of his status. I honestly don't know if it was because these guys were just playing and there was nothing on the line or what. Either way my opinion of what happened that day has not changed. That day and what he did was wrong. However my opinion of him as a person and player has for the better.
As far as the news and our image...that's something we've been dealing with from day 1.

[pumplayer]

ok the guy needs to be kick out if he knocks a kid out he really needs to calm down i mean three hits befor stopping i caould see but FREG 12 shot to the head he should not play paintball any more:pissed: :mad2: :drop:

[Blacksheep]

You do realize that getting hit multiple times down not increase the chance of a knockout, right? Knockouts are caused by the brain contacting the brain. The brain floats, kinda like an ice-cube in the water.

SO, getting shot in the head 12 times didn't do it, getting shot ONCE in the head is what did it. Either there is some weak spot where the player was hit or he should not have been playing because he could get a concussion. Lasoya is NOT to blame for the concussion, perhaps over shooting and breaking rules, but it IS possible that his gun was reset by accident because he entered a certain sqeuence of trigger pulls (some boards are programmed that way).

[The Dark Knight]

i've read all the posts on this subject, and i see the points that both sides are making. (BTW Jaster you are hilarious) all fields and tourneys have their own limits as to how many balls you can shoot at someone without it being considered overshooting. i personally have been overshot, and in the heat of the moment, sad to say, i have overshot too. it happens on occasion, but when i do, i personally walk over and apologize to that person/persons. it's not the way i play, and i don't think that it promotes the sport in a positive manner if we act out and condones actions such as these. let's just take it out of the scope of tourneys, and think of the realm of recball. a lot of the newbies out there are lil kids, girls, and adult family members of those forementioned groups. overshooting one of those people make the "veterans" and established players look bad in their eyes. in turn, they become reluctant to play again, and tell others of their not so fun experience. you've got to understand that WORD of MOUTH is very POWERFUL. those that don't know of the sport will tell their friends and in turn tell their friends that paintball is filled with crazed people running around and deliberately trying to overshoot and afflict needless pain. we all know that we'll still continue to play, but a huge demographic of those who think pball is violent WILL NOT. also, anybody who gets a gun should know how the gun functions and try to learn what makes it work. IMO if you don't know how to use an electro, you shouldn't be using one. electros shouldn't even come with multiple modes of fire, i haven't ever seen a field/tourney that has every allowed it. pulling the trigger 6 times should yield 6 balls, NOT 12!! please don't try to tell me some BS like he didn't know he was shooting in a strictly non semi auto mode, he's a pro for GOD's sake!! he even admitted that more balls came out than he pulled. and my last point is on the whole concussion thing. man, it hurts like hell when you get tagged in the head. everybody has been through it. just know that brain cells are being killed everytime you get popped in the head. i strongly believe that if you have an alternative shot, you should shoot where it would hurt less. maybe i'm just being a nice guy out there, but i don't intentionally aim for the head, especially if i have another shot. and believe me, if i have a shot for the head, i'm not putting 12 shots into it. we should exercise trigger control, especially if we have electros with sensitive triggers, bounce, magnetic, responsive, and bomb-*** trigger jobs on it. use your head and play safe and smart. one of the first things i heard someone say to me out there on the field was "paint safe". i know that pball hurts, the sting of getting hit hurts less and less each time i get tagged. but let's learn some RESTRAINT.

[toolfan60]

damn u must have been mad if u wrote all that stuf

[stiflerir3]

none a you seem to realize how easy and fast it is to shoot 6 or even 12 balls in half a second with a timmy. If any of you have EVER shot a timmy with a WAS board then you should know that when set right, you could almost fukin sneeze and shoot 6 balls. Overshooting is a part of the game wether you like it or not. It happens, sometimes intentionally and sometimes not. I have done it way more than it has been done to me. Always by accident, except for this weekend. We were playing airball and they had a laydown coke at the back center (dont ask me why, it was a ****d up layout) and they had the remaining guy behind it. Well im at the 50 in the middle of the field and start unloading on him while running up and this ******* ref is standing DIRECTLY behind this laydown coke and as a result he got shot in the neck. Afterwards he came up to me and said "nice shot, pro" and pointed to the bleeding welt on his neck. I just smiled and walked away. The next game he borrowed a gun and played on the other team. It was 3 on 3. 2 of his team got shot of the breakand so did one of ours. my teammate diracted him so I moved up all the way to his bunker unseen. I leaned around and deliberately shot him way more than 12 times ( i was using an angel speed and a halo) most of which hit him in the back of the neck. The blood immediately seeped through the paint (they dont mix, really cool) and a big smile came to my face as i saw this. He was yelling and cusing so loud ppl back in the setup area heard him. I was quickly escorted off the field and banned indefinetaly but I was happy. It may not have been right but I don't like people who do stupid stuff, then blame someone else after they realize what a stupid thing they did. back to the point, I don't think lasoya did it on purpose, however, he is a little ***** who cheats regularly, and is not man enough to call himself out. he shouldnt be banned, but someone should bunker him and over shoot him in the nuts.

peace

[eclipseauto03]

i know everyone is gonna disagree with me, but i think lasoya is telln the truth....How many tournys has he played, or just games in general? This never happened once and he was bascially everyones Paintball IDOL. Its funny when some thing bad happens, and no one knows EXACTLY what happens, and then the only thing people think is OOO HES AN ***.....

[toolfan60]

ya,but we will never know what happened,all the stories we might hear will be exaggurated

[SharkaThon]

That was posted on my b-day. That was completely wrong by Lasoya. Lots of kids look up 2 him b/c he has his own gun and he is 1 of the most experienced players. Now, many kids who have not read how this is bad will think that over shooting is okay. this is NOT a good thing. Ever since this happened, some kids that entered in a tourney at my local field bunkered and shot the people 10+ times. Luckily the refs pulled them from the tourney and explained 2 them, and they said they would never do that again.

[robdamanii]

My two cents here.

Overshooting is wrong.

I know how many BPS you can pull with a WAS timmy, and jesus, you CAN control it. If the guy at the local field can bunker with 3 balls from his WAS timmy, then why cant lasoya? Is there some neurological block in his fingers, keeping him from having common sense? There is no reason on the planet that you need to put 12 balls into ANYONE from point blank to get them out. I don't care if it's his "style" or not, it is incorrect, and quite dangerous.

As far as him being arrested (I believe I saw it in here, if not elsewhere), legally, he could be charged with battery. The waivers at MOST fields only release the FIELD and OWNERS of said field from negligence upon the part of the owners or players. There is nothing about not suing someone else for hurting you. In fact, I have NEVER seen any release of liability waiver that states that players are legally protected from causing injury to another player. I'm not familiar with the laws of the state in question, but it's a possibility that he COULD have been charged with battery.

Banned? Yes, very good. He is NOT a good role model for young tournament players to model their play after. I wouldn't want my kids playing like him, nor would I play like him.

Just my $.02.

[viper93]

for gods sake just let it die already, its over and done with. it was a year ago. move on with your life. just let the thread die.

[toolfan60]

ya seriously