Anyone OWN an Armson Stealth or other internally rifled barrel?

[zeno]

I'd love to here the real story from the folks that OWN these things.. You gain any range from these things? Do you ever have ball break issues?

And PLEASE refrain from telling me crap like "rifling doesn't work with paintballs because they're round" or "the shell spins, but the paint does not..." Go to school, take some math, and come back when you can say something halfway educated.. I want to hear from the folks who use them and have results to share, not the pretend physisist that hasn't even passed Advanced Algebra yet..

[taso_winforce]

you could check the reviews

[benjy]

I own a 16" Stealth for my tippmann 98, I like the look of it a lot but there was not any gain in range. There was a large gain in consistancy over the stock barrel and a smaller gain over my J&J ceramic. It made the gun quieter but also heavier. Regarding ball breaks I have not had any problems with the porting or rifling it cleans fine with a good pull through or straight shot. It does not clean its self that well by just shooting through it the J&J was much better. I did not have as many barrel breaks with the stealth but I did make sure to squeegie when ever I did. It is a nice barrel but it will not give you extra range.

[Flying]

Different barrels don’t give you added range (besides the Flatline). I think you should have known that for someone calling people pretend physicist.

Anyways I had an Armson. The performance I got was not that great. I got an All American later and the performance was a lot better. I even shot accurate with paint that did not match the bore correctly.

As for paint breaks. Dont worry to much. As long as you have good paint to bore match, there should be to much problems.

[zeno]

Originally posted by Flying
Different barrels don’t give you added range (besides the Flatline). I think you should have known that for someone calling people pretend physicist.

Anyways I had an Armson. The performance I got was not that great. I got an All American later and the performance was a lot better. I even shot accurate with paint that did not match the bore correctly.

As for paint breaks. Dont worry to much. As long as you have good paint to bore match, there should be to much problems.

There you go providing coments I asked you to omit.. If the rifling actually worked, the paintball would better retain it's velocity... You tell me that has no effect on range, and I'll tell you that you need to take highschool physics again.. It's amazing how smart people THINK they are..

[taso_winforce]

go ahead and buy a armson zeno but your not gonna be happy with the results.

[Flying]

Originally posted by zeno
There you go providing coments I asked you to omit.. If the rifling actually worked, the paintball would better retain it's velocity... You tell me that has no effect on range, and I'll tell you that you need to take highschool physics again.. It's amazing how smart people THINK they are..

Ok, I guess I am not smart seeing as how you just said I am not. :rolleyes: So tell me, how will a rifled barrel for a paintball be a good barrel? How will it give you more range? How will it be more accurate than other paintball barrels? Seeing as how I am not smart like you implied, I guess you should tell me how this will all work? Seriously.

[taso_winforce]

hey fly let her buy it and when she doesn't like her we can say we told you so.

[NcicHit]

Originally posted by Flying
Different barrels don’t give you added range (besides the Flatline). I think you should have known that for someone calling people pretend physicist.

Anyways I had an Armson. The performance I got was not that great. I got an All American later and the performance was a lot better. I even shot accurate with paint that did not match the bore correctly.

As for paint breaks. Dont worry to much. As long as you have good paint to bore match, there should be to much problems.

I owned both the new style Armson and the old style Armson. Both barrels very well. I used the old style on an Armson-semi and it was very accurate. The range was no better than any other barrel. The new styrle barrel came on an Armson pump and it was accurate too. The range was no better than any other barrel. If want range you should get a Flatline like in the above post. I found the Armson to be a good accurate barrel but no better than my SP AA or my BOA. The Armson is a good barrel and if you want one buy it. I do not like X-cel barrels but I haven't had many problems with the others.

[paintballogy101]

i dunno if you wanna blow 60 bucks on a rifled barrel. i had a 16inch tru flite on my first gun and i was a newbie thinking its all good, then i borrowed my friends old school AA and the margin of difference was huge. a barrel without rifling would work so much better than one with it, just cause you can't rifle a bullet shaped object it just doesnt work..look at the old school muskets from the revolutionary war... i'm not saying im smart, its just facts from the past.. i'm a little tired so i hope im not sounding retarded, haha.:)

[zeno]

Originally posted by Flying


Ok, I guess I am not smart seeing as how you just said I am not. :rolleyes: So tell me, how will a rifled barrel for a paintball be a good barrel? How will it give you more range? How will it be more accurate than other paintball barrels? Seeing as how I am not smart like you implied, I guess you should tell me how this will all work? Seriously.

What do I look like? I can't teach you engineering dynamics and structures in a single post if you HAD made it through advanced calculus.. You're probably not out of HS yet..

The math is to complex for me to do.. It's a 3 dimensional flow problem, even inside the barrel.. The paint isn't even CLOSE to flush against the walls, making another host of variables I have no idea how to solve for.. Thus, I'm asking those who have had it for their opinions.. To put it simply, a consistent spin along the axis in which the ball is traveling displaces the the air evenly around it, lowering the amount of drag on the object.. The question is not whether rifling works, it's whether or not the ball is properly rifled..


paintballogy101: yes, your sounding retarded.. Rifling did improve range for muskets..

And taso, I'm a guy, not a girl..

[taso_winforce]

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?threadid=167488

[paintballogy101]

Originally posted by zeno

paintballogy101: yes, your sounding retarded.. Rifling did improve range for muskets..

wow...my earlier post was messed up :laugh:

thats when muskets became rifles and they developed bullets. ive talked to people about this before, a round projectile whether it be a musket ball or a paintball cannot hold a spin. it'll just throw it off course. thats why they developed bullets which are areodynamic and those will work with rifling....

[Kylixz]

I used to have an Armson Stealth on my Tippmann. Obviously, there is a dramatic improvement over accuracy compared the the Model 98 stock barrel. The ball definitely does spin after travelling through the rifling, becase there is an audible "hiss" as a paintball travels by you. The noise is very different from that of a paintbal exiting from a traditional barrel. As for consistency and such, it is fairly 'accurate'. However, any other barrel out there with a good paint to bore match will perform just as well if not better. Solid construction, neat sound, and decent performance.

Later,
Steve

[p8ntballa#1]

There may be a little added range but not much, but the accuracy is very very good. For example at 75 yards I hit somone with my tippy through a 6" hole. No lie.Also yes it was where I was aiming.

[zeno]

To all you who gave real answers, thanks a lot! If I decide fo fork out the doe, I'll try to run some field tests against my razzor barrel..

flying, benjy, steve.. What paint do you guys use?


For paintballogy:
Originally posted by paintballogy101


wow...my earlier post was messed up :laugh:

thats when muskets became rifles and they developed bullets. ive talked to people about this before, a round projectile whether it be a musket ball or a paintball cannot hold a spin. it'll just throw it off course. thats why they developed bullets which are areodynamic and those will work with rifling....

Wrong again.. You should talk to more edjucated people.. Stay in school.. School is cool..

[egloskerry]

Well first, the scientifics. No, I have not passed calculus yet, let's just establish that. But I have a good understanding of firearms. Straight rifling would only keep the ball straight as it runs down the barrel. After it exits, it's on it's own. It would reduce spin, but not by much. A spiral rifled barrel would do what zeno said, displacing air evenly around the ball, but it would not necessarily reduce total drag, only uneven drag that could push the paintball in one direction.

Now, experiences. This is somewhat of a biased comparison. On my ray II, I had a 16" straight rifled barrel with a rather large muzzle brake at the end. The only problem was, all I have to compare it with is the stock barrel, which is 6" smoothbore and ported. The rifled barrel was only a bit quieter and a bit more accurate. That is a suprise considering it was 10" longer than the stock barrel.

So in conclusion, if you want to get a rifled barrel, and maybe the idea of having one imparts a sense of confidence or something, go ahead and get it. Make sure you have a good paint to barrel match, because if the paint is too large, you will get mutiple barrel breaks because of the rifling cutting into the balls too far.

[Kylixz]

I primarily use RPS Big Ball and RPS Marbs. They seem to work pretty well. Decent paint to bore match. One thing I forgot to mention... if you have your velocity set more than 10 feet per second over 280, be prepared for some wild balls. As others have mentioned, if the fit is VERY tight... get ready for a couple chops.

[benjy]

Marbs seemed to work best for me I also used Anarchy, they are good but the marbs were better.

[SonixShooter357]

well, rifling worked pretty well with civil war cannons, so why not a paintball gun?

[taso_winforce]

because the fill inside the paintball doesn't spin with the shell.

[Flying]

Good luck on the field tests. I will be interested to see what you get for your results :)

[wangsta420]

big balls with my tru flight worked pretty good. also diablo dusk and superswirls. when i had my rifled barrel i shot a total of about 1500-2000rnds through it (out of those 3 paints) and they all did quite well. so good luck