View Full Version : Upgrading from CO2 need help!
Burns
03-18-2003, 05:13 PM
So anyways, ive had a bunch of probs with my inconsistancy, kick blah blah blah. Anywho many of you have suggested upgrading to N2, unfortunatly i know nothing about n2. So if anyone would like to tell me what kind of tank i should get and if i need any upgrades with it (i.e. on/off) I would really appreciate that. Oh by the way, all my upgrades are in my signature in case your wondering. Also im kinda broke so im looking for something good, but not too fancy and or expensive.
Thanks for the help again guys
nordic
03-18-2003, 05:20 PM
I would suggest getting a 88/3k if your field can't fill 4500 or a 68/4500 if they can. This is because you don't have LP :/ so you need a bigger tank plus for tourneys its nice. Get Fiber Wrapped and a on/off is optional but preffered. Also get a tank cover if you go with the fiber wrapped which is more expensive but much lighter you'll need one. I have the Dye Rhino Skin which is just very cool. There are my beans -Chris
Burns
03-18-2003, 05:26 PM
Thanks for the help, but you dont understand just how stupid i am when it comes to n2. I have no idea what that stuff means. Actually i sorta do, I know what the size means like 88/3000, but i have no clue what fiber rapped mean. Will i need to get a Lp tank, because i have heard that a Hp works fine. Also what brands are good?
wolverine
03-19-2003, 04:03 AM
OK, here is (hopefully) High Pressure 101.
N2 stands for Nitrogen. No one uses Nitrogen anymore, but it's short and easy to type so people keep saying it. Same goes for Nitro, again that is Nitrogen. HPA is the more commen reference to High Pressure Adapter or simply a High Pressure tank. Some people will also call this Compressed Air or CA (instead of ASA some people call it a CA adaptor). All the same thing. Compressed Air is the same thing that scuba divers use in their air tanks. That is why many scuba shops will also fill paintball tanks. You can also get an adapter that will allow you to fill a paintball HPA tank from a scuba tank.
When looking at a tank size, there are two numbers.
The first is the tank size. This is in Cubic Inches. So a 45/4500 tanks is 45 Cubic Inches in size. The larger the number the larger the tank. Common sizes are Small 45 or 47, Medium 68, Large 88 or 90, HUGE 110 or 114.
The second number is the pressure capacity of the tank. This number will be either 3000, 4500 or more recently 5000. This is measued in PSI or Pounds per Square Inch. This is how much pressure (compressed air) can be squeezed into the tank. In this day and age I would NEVER buy a 3000psi tank, regardless of the price. You can always put 3000psi in a 4500psi tank (assuming your field does not offer 4500psi fills), but you can not put 4500psi in a 3000psi tank (so if your field upgrades and you cheaped out on the tank, you will eventually have to buy a new one).
The combination of size and pressure equals the volume of air you have to use. The more air, the more shots per fill.
Most HPA Tanks are fiber wrapped (also called carbon fiber). This is a coating on the outside of the alluminum tank to give it added strength. Some tanks are coated with tuff skin which is a solid black coating. There are some low end HPA tanks that are Steel. I would avoid these as they are heavy and generally not desirable. Stick with carbon fiber.
HPA tanks have to be hydro tested every 3 or 5 years depending on the tanks manufacturer and the coating used to cover the tank (not the tank cover you buy to make it look cool, this is the carbon fiber cover). So if you are buying used, make sure the deal is not "too sweet" because often the cheap tanks are almost or are out of Hydro and then you can not use it until it's re-hydro'd.
Next is the regulator built into the tank. There are two kinds, preset and adjustable. Preset is just that, it is preset to somewhere between 800-850psi. An adjustable will allow you to adjust the output pressure. Adjustables come in two flavors, low pressure (usually 0-300psi) and High Pressure (usually 300-800psi).
Most preset tanks are screwin tanks, meaning that they have the same threads as a CO2 tank and can screw into a standard ASA. Some adjustable tanks are also screwin tanks, but the majority are not. Most adjustable tanks are simply mounted on the grip frame or a drop forward and then use macro line or other hose to connect to a gas-thru grip or other inline regulator.
SOOOO.... with all that, I hope I have helped more than confused. If you have any additional questions, please feel free to ask.
Impulse88
03-19-2003, 04:59 AM
if u r asking also if u should get a lp or hp defiently go hp with lp u might exprience drop off with a imp and u would defiantly expreince drop off if u use a lp tank with a hp gun
ChunkyMunky
03-19-2003, 09:30 AM
if you got enough money get a maxflo tank, they already come with and on/off vavle which you will need.
Burns
03-19-2003, 01:07 PM
Thanks everyone for the help, i really aprreciate dat. Wolverine your Compressed air 101 was awsome, but i still have a couple questions... Which is a tank to get and if i get a hp tank can i let my maxflo do all the work for me, or will i need more? Also will i need an lpr with either hp or lp? and finally i saw this on/off valve at a pro-shop near me for an HPA tank, will this work (i hate usting my o-rings)? heres the link for the on/off http://www.badlandspaintball.com/page%20extras/xtras%20air%20other.html
Burns
03-19-2003, 01:09 PM
sorry, just for some clarification, i am refering to the Smart Parts Preset smart valve.
Impulse88
03-19-2003, 01:09 PM
like i said get a hp tank and u dont need a lpr and get the smartvalve just get it at www.e-paintballoutlet.com cause its cheaper
Assass!n
03-19-2003, 03:50 PM
I know that getting a low pressure output tank would put less strain on the reg but can you get shootdown with it?
Impulse88
03-19-2003, 03:52 PM
u might with a imp but any other hp gun will get shootdown
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