Lasoya- Confirm the Incident?

[Blacksheep]

Hey,

I'm curious, can anyone really confirm the incident, as in, find somewhere wher ethe article was written on WARPIG or a reliable source other than hacked from some site?

Because I've been hearing it was a rumor...one of a few nasty rumors floating around about other players and I've only seen it three places...

[FalloutMan]

on ao they had something about it that had the real thing

[Punchcard]

I was worried about this too, so I did some looking.

http://paintball.com/features/story.cfm?placementID=1641

It seems the event really did happen, details are a bit sketchy however.

I went looking on warpig but they do not cover that particular series. It was a smaller regional tourney, NOT a Pan-Am event I belive.

I haven't seen anything positively confirming Pan-Am banning him though.

[Alphastriker18j]

yeah I wanna know if Chris was banned from anything?

[xternal]

Originally posted by Punchcard
I haven't seen anything positively confirming Pan-Am banning him though.

Good thing to wonder about.

The only place I've seen that is the editorial writeup referenced in the earlier thread here. Also, I'd encourage people to go back and read the piece. I'm fairly certain it claims he was banned from Pan-Am for a different incident, not the one which reportedly involved the player that passed out.

There's some postings about it at the smacktalk.com boards. There is a poster there claiming to be a former Avalanche player who knows more about the incident. I've even read people state the player was hit initially and turned to shoot. Who knows...I certainly wasn't there.

Maybe things really went down as bad as was said. But, the heaviest coverage so far seems one sided to me. Plus, there's details I don't get. There's some claims floating that he pulled 6 times and shot him 12 in the head. I'm a skeptic, but how do people know he shot him 12 times in the head? Were there distinct welts to be counted? If so, that does sound pretty bad to me. But, I get the sense there's elements of a big-fish tale to this. Did I mention before the first time I heard this story, the guy got hit 5 times in the head? Still a lot, but how did we get from 5 to 12?

A player getting aggressively bunkered and receiving a concussion is a really bad thing. Especially if it was done on purpose. I'd just hope more objective details could be distributed before people start "knowing" that so-and-so is a thug. Not just about this, but incidents in general.

I get the feeling I should probably refrain from posting about this again. Not like I was there, and it just seems pointless to specifically discuss when you don't know the details. That's just me...

[Ebonclaw]

WTF? Salm played with Lasoya that gmae! What's pod***** doing picking up Salm?

[BackWoods PB138]

salm works pretty close to there teams he was at hb spectating them

[SnapCrackleP0p]

Theres a big article in the newest Face-Full magazine, with an interview with Losoya

Basically he said that it was ed poormans fault it ever happened and that Salm was a good friend of his.
He also mentioned that his new team that he started up , he would immediately ask Salm to join

[AK47]

so is lasoya banned or not?

[Blacksheep]

I am doubting it...

You can't see the welts unless there has been hair removed...

The gun he shoots cannot shoot bursts from what I have heard...

I have no clue.

[Azn_gansta]

he banned from Pan Am. wtf? Salm said he taking a year off from tourneys. that lieing pos

[pb_fool]

in my eyes Lasoya and Salm are both scum to the paintball scene.

[BassPlayerImpy]

So what incident are we talking about?

[BassPlayerImpy]

Nevermind, i just read about it

[p8ntball1016]

Originally posted by SnapCrackleP0p
Theres a big article in the newest Face-Full magazine, with an interview with Losoya

Basically he said that it was ed poormans fault it ever happened and that Salm was a good friend of his.
He also mentioned that his new team that he started up , he would immediately ask Salm to join

lasoya is full of crap. hes only saying that cuz he doesnt want to lose his sponsorship:atten:

[p8ntball1016]

Originally posted by pb_fool
in my eyes Lasoya and Salm are both scum to the paintball scene.

ya got that right:agree:

[jv8418]

I think all of are rediculous. How can you sit at your computers and trash talk two of the best players that have ever played the game? No matter what happened, you have to be kidding me saying that they are both scum to paintball. Lasoya has one of the biggest influences in the sport of paintball......


If any of you people are aggresive front players, then you would fully understand that Chris didn't hit the kid in the forehead and knock him unconscience on purpose. And if you think he did, then you are an idiot. I can't even tell you how many times i've made a move to bunker someone, and then hit them in a place that I didn't mean to because they turned their gun on me. If I have the opportunity, I'm going to put a ball on the kids pack, if I dont have that option, then I will put it anywhere I have to, to make that elimination. I guarantee that Chris just wanted to put a ball on the kids pack, but when the kid turned his gun on Lasoya, Chris could only put a ball on the kids mask. There is no way in hell that Chris could have known that he would knock the kid unconscience. I can't stand people trash talking one of the best players out there.

and to the kid that said "Lasoya only applogized so he wouldn't lose his sponsorship" (or something along the lines of this), you have got to be kidding me, right? Lasoya without a doubt, can get a sponsorship from any company in the world without any trouble. I know this, he knows this, everyone should know this. Chris is not some ******* that intentionally hurts people. Like I've said numerous times in this post, Chris is one of the best tournament players in the world. Not only does he deserve credit for his accomplishments in the sport, he also deserves an appology from everyone that has bashed him in this forum.

[Punchcard]

Originally posted by jv8418
Lasoya has one of the biggest influences in the sport of paintball......



You are quite correct. The debatable question is whether he is a GOOD influence.

I guarantee that Chris just wanted to put a ball on the kids pack, but when the kid turned his gun on Lasoya, Chris could only put a ball on the kids mask.


Not A ball. TWELVE. In an amateur event. In my opinion, that is beyond the pale, no matter how you slice it. I don't like to see it at any level of paintball, and as a fan, player and consumer, I have the right to say so.

Chris is not some ******* that intentionally hurts people. Like I've said numerous times in this post, Chris is one of the best tournament players in the world.

Indeed. I do not think he intentionally meant to hurt the kid. I DO think he intended to pummel him with paint until the kid had to call himself out. Not let him check for his hits, not wait for the ref to make the call and do their job.

The question is the win at all costs attitude gone to far? Do we want in paintball? Is there a line between "bonus balling" and overshooting? Do we want our most influential players to be promoters of this behavior? What are the acceptable limits of fair play, sportsmanship and decent behavior?




he also deserves an appology from everyone that has bashed him in this forum.

No he doesn't. I'm welcome to my opinions, and I am free to tell his sponsors what I think.

And dear god, in your post when you stated "how can we trash talk two of the best players", the second player you are referring to isn't SALM is it? Sure he is good at paintballing. He is also good at cheating. Not a surreptitious wipe in the heat of a game, but full on premeditated cheating of the worst kind. The kind that requires planning and BLATANT disregard for the game. Why bother even playing? No, Salm will receive no quarter from me.

[jv8418]

I fully agree with you that SALM was way out of line, and the punishment he got, he fully deserves. But I feel there is no reason to bash his playing abilities on this board, not that you personally were, or anyone in this forum for that matter.


I've been playing competively for 2 years now, and i played rec ball for 5 1/2 years before that. I've been shoot up several times, both in tournaments and in rec ball. I am not trying to justify what Lasoya did, but getting lit up is part of the game. It happens in just about every game. It does suck, and it turns alot of people off from the game, but you have to realize that this has happened a million times before, and it will continue to happen. People should realize that this is one of the bad aspects of paintball. When you are shooting an electro that can easily put out 16+ balls a second, most of the time there is a string of 6 or 7 balls in the air before the first one hits the kid..... This probably happened in Chris's incident. There are no facts as to how many balls Chris shot, I've heard 5, and I've also heard 12. We can not give an exact number of shots.
I don't know about the rest of you on this board, but I've been bunkered by what felt like 12 balls....even though it may have only been 5 or 6.
When you have the adrenalin rush going, as you do when playing paintball and moving in to bunker someone, you really dont know how many shots you let loose most of the time. Your body is moving so fast, and your fingers are pulling that trigger even faster.
It is just part of the game. This is not something that any of us front players do intentionally, but it just happens on occasion.

The only reason this is such a big deal, is because Chris Lasoya was involved. These kinds of things happen everyday at every paintball field across the nation. Nobody loses sponsorship over it, and neither should chris.



The last kid to post was correct by saying, "it is a free country, and I can tell his sponsors anything i want." You know what, you're right. Go out and tell of his sponsors that he should be banned from paintball for the rest of his life....and that he should have to repay every single sponsor that he has ever dealt with......and better yet, try to get them to give you a free marker while you're at it.

[Punchcard]

Originally posted by jv8418
The last kid to post was correct by saying, "it is a free country, and I can tell his sponsors anything i want." You know what, you're right. Go out and tell of his sponsors that he should be banned from paintball for the rest of his life....and that he should have to repay every single sponsor that he has ever dealt with......and better yet, try to get them to give you a free marker while you're at it.


Point 1: Please do not presume to know me, my age or maturity by refering to me as "kid".

Point 2: Refuting my positions with hyperbole only weakens your stance. I do not think he should be banned for life, or that he should have to repay the sponsors. I DO think that players and sponsors need to be aware of how behavior is percieved, and what the consumers think and feel about some trends in paintball. Perhaps temporary bannings and lost sponsorships will communicate to negative players that their behavior needs to be reined in for the good of the sport, the sponsors, and the players themselves. Look at other sponsor driven sports, for arguments sake, NASCAR (regardless what you or I think of the sport). The sponsor pays the bills, and don't want to be afiliated with drivers with a negative image. They put pressure on the drivers for a good, positive image, and guess what. You don't see a lot of "bad boy" drivers bad mouthing, swearing, being overly agressive.

Point 3: Your last comment was uncalled for. I am not some whinny newbie trying to get sponsored or beg for free stuff. To imply as much is an insult.

[ahopkins16]

you said salms good at cheating.....apparantly not if he got caught....but i can tell you one thing, nobody would be talking about the guy getting knocked unconcious if it wasnt lasoya that put him there....and im srry, wasnt the original report 5 to the forehead? i mean seriously, how did it get from 5 - 12?

[Punchcard]

Originally posted by ahopkins16
you said salms good at cheating.....apparantly not if he got caught....

Oops. My bad. In that case Salm is an okay guy. People who cheat and get caught are much better than those that cheat and never get busted.

....and im srry, wasnt the original report 5 to the forehead? i mean seriously, how did it get from 5 - 12?

Only published account I have seen is 12 shots. I have yet to see the five shot figure published anywhere. Granted I wasn't there, so exact events are cloudy. Regardless, eyewitnesses and members of Pan-Am saw something that crossed the line.

[Jaster]

If anyone pulled that on my team our sponsor would drop us in a heartbeat. No sponsor wants to deal with that type of image. Personally I could care less about Lasoya. I don't know the guy. He's a great player but from what I've seen of him, his on field attitude sucks. Like I said I don't know him. Companies are very particular in who they sponsor. They are after image and sales. It all comes down to the bottom line. If you produce for your sponsor and show a good image you keep them. If you lose all the time and show a negative image you won't. They don't care about you, me, Lasoya, or anyone else except their company. That's their job, to make money. They want profits not problems. I don't care how good anyone is, If you cost them money over stupidity you are gone. It's business.

[bluesboyk3]

Apparently, the story has reached PBR. There's a full article about Lasoya in the PBR news board ? If u go to the forum, it will be the 2nd option and u can search the thread. neways just so u know.

[Winchester]

ok this is put on the apg about this . chris said that he only pulled the triggeer 6 time (imo way to many times) and he said he got enough of the trigger bounce for it to cycle 12 times.they were at an am. tourney. it was a 4 on 1 with the knocked out kid being 1.
this is me talking now, see the only thing that seperates us from other sports is that there is NO physical violence between players except the paintball.this is worse then what happends in most sports. he shouldnt be playing in a am. event anyways. i say he gives the guy a free angel of his chose. lol
thats my 50 cent thought of the day