Smart Parts Sueing ICD

[Mr. Kitty]

It's true! Head over to the ICD boards to hear more. They are trying to sue ICD for patent infringement for using a solenoid setup that they thought they had a patent on. I don't think this is cool at all.

- Mr. Kitty :freak:

[ChunkyMunky]

ICD had it coming. They knew that.

[cocker kid 2k2]

Is it just ICD? Or is it all electros in general that use a solenoid? That'd be pretty nuts... everybody would have to use smart parts markers..... :paranoid:

[{SLY}Neo]

It not the fact that all elctros use solenoids, but where they are on the gun. On an impy the solenoid is above the rigger frame with all the elctronics. The same thing with the bushy that is why i think SP is suing ICD.

[suddenpaint]

woohooo!!! DOWN WITH ICD!!

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.....eerrr..:sulk:

[NONE_too_SOFT]

aahaha... thats really too bad:eek:


smart parts is a super company, and ICD is just a little puppy dog.

thats like bill gates sueing "bob and larry's crazy computer outlet" for making an operating system called "doors"

[themann2003]

Originally posted by NONE_too_SOFT
aahaha... thats really too bad:eek:


smart parts is a super company, and ICD is just a little puppy dog.

thats like bill gates sueing "bob and larry's crazy computer outlet" for making an operating system called "doors"

:laugh:

[thebluenu]

Originally posted by NONE_too_SOFT
aahaha... thats really too bad:eek:


smart parts is a super company, and ICD is just a little puppy dog.

thats like bill gates sueing "bob and larry's crazy computer outlet" for making an operating system called "doors"

SIGGED

[cocker kid 2k2]

ICD isnt that small, there's a lot of bushy's out there.

[heyheyhey]

what a bout door KNOBS?:eyes:

[NONE_too_SOFT]

true there are a lot of bushmasters out there... but how many more impulses are there out there than bushmasters? my guess is that when icd reached 10000 on its serial number, smart parts was wiping their *** w/ money.

[FalloutMan]

Originally posted by NONE_too_SOFT
aahaha... thats really too bad:eek:


smart parts is a super company, and ICD is just a little puppy dog.

thats like bill gates sueing "bob and larry's crazy computer outlet" for making an operating system called "doors"


dont you mean walmart and lindows?
http://www.lindows.com/

[heyheyhey]

LOL

[themann2003]

Originally posted by FalloutMan



dont you mean walmart and lindows?
http://www.lindows.com/

Whoa...:laugh:

[NONE_too_SOFT]

ditto...


lindows... who woulda figured.

i have a feeling bluenu is gonna force some ICD owners to pm me some hate mail :eyes:

[Mr. Kitty]

Originally posted by NONE_too_SOFT
true there are a lot of bushmasters out there... but how many more impulses are there out there than bushmasters? my guess is that when icd reached 10000 on its serial number, smart parts was wiping their *** w/ money.

I think that's what they figured, until the BKO came out. The sales are just booming off that thing, and it has the same locatin of the solenoid as the bushys.

- Mr. Kitty :freak:

[impulsiv]

o well sucks for icd, the corporate machine that we call smart parts is going to screw um...but i use an imp ne way so who really gives a ****?

[Hoplon]

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?threadid=164044


All the info you wanted on the topic and more. Read that and tell me if you still take smartpart's side.

[Hoplon]

Basically the lawsuit is because the bushmaster uses a solenoid the same way as the shocker does. Never mind the fact that the rest of the gun is completely different.

[heyheyhey]

well, im all for smart parts, they make great stuff

but seriously, icd in no competition to them. there is no need to sue them, its just flat out un ethical

[NONE_too_SOFT]

well what if icd, down the road becomes a huge distributor, and gets tons of business. we've all seen it happen. smart parts itself has boomed in the last 3 years. look at the intimidator.

they are just trying to secure their investment, and if ICD wants to ride in their tracks, they should have to pay.

[Hoplon]

How is it their track?

What if kingman or a similar company has a patent that talks about using a bolt in a paintball gun?

Should smartparts have to pay them because they also use a bolt even though their product is completely different?

[NONE_too_SOFT]

using a bolt is much more braod then the location of your solonoid housing bud. think about it for a little bit.

smart parts engineerd the electro pneumatic paintball gun... they have rights to thier design.

[impulsiv]

couldnt have said it better

[Paint-Knight]

All I see's a rich man getting richer, and a poor man getting poorer.

All people want these days is money, and most don't care how they get it. Even if it means stepping on someone elses toes.

This is like Wal-Mart taking over all the little general stores in town. Needless to say, SP has lost my respect, and business. (nothing against you SP guys)

[impulsiv]

survival of the fittest my friend smart parts will survive because they make a respected product and do have that patent...its not stepping on someone else's toes when that someone stole a product from u.

[Hoplon]

Originally posted by NONE_too_SOFT
using a bolt is much more braod then the location of your solonoid housing bud. think about it for a little bit.

smart parts engineerd the electro pneumatic paintball gun... they have rights to thier design.

Smartparts stole the design from pvi(putting them out of business in the process). Smartparts holds the patent on the design of the shocker. Other guns such as the bushmaster operate differently.


The solenoid isn't even used exactly the same in each setup. The shocker is closed bolt so it operates backwards from how the bushmaster's does right?

How is my bolt example any less specific than the solenoid issue? The bolt is in the same place and it serves the same function for both companies.

[EnderOSC]

All I see's a rich man getting richer, and a poor man getting poorer.

Just in reference to that, think of it this way.. the more money Smart Parts has, the more awesome products they will be able to put out and QUICKER too. With appropriate funding they will just come out with better and better things.

Yes it is unfortunate that ICD is getting sued, but you know what? Patents are patents and if there are lawyers already involved its OBVIOUSLY worth disputing. But I am no lawyer by any means... thats just how I see it.

[monkeybacon00]

So this is for real?

considering it was posted on april fools day.....I dunno

[Azn_gansta]

I called them and got a lame answer from an operator. See said let me go check. She came back and said none of the bosses are here so. blah blah. Then i say is there a way i can in contact with them? she said no and it really isnt any of your bussiness. I was like WOW.
SO i guess we are going to have to look at their county's court files

[NONE_too_SOFT]

i wasnt comparing the shocker to the bushmaster, i was just saying smart parts designed the first electro...

and as for the bolt... there is only one marker i know of that does not use a bolt to propel the marker... i forget the name of it as of right now :confused: ... as far as i know only 2 electro markers place the solonoid in the rear left of the gun... SP and ICD... SP had it first, they have rights to it. u dont see every other company trying to mimic SP... WDP, Bob Long, Matrix... they all engineer'd their own design, why cant ICD?

[F.O.D.]

how is icd mimicing sp? the only similarity is the solonoid
In fact sp copyed the design of the bushmaster with the imp- the only difference is the impulse dosnent have a lpr
And if you looked at the design of the timmy it's almost exactly the same as the bushmaster
obviously you don't know what your talking about

[PjaY]

Doesnt matter who stole the design from who, it matters who holds the patent.

Go ahead and patent a paintball bolt if ya want, all the companies would do is change an air passage and patentwise its a totally different product.

[LoneWolfZ]

Originally posted by NONE_too_SOFT

and as for the bolt... there is only one marker i know of that does not use a bolt to propel the marker... i forget the name of it as of right now :confused:

ICE Epic?

[blinkpk11]

Originally posted by Paint-Knight
All I see's a rich man getting richer, and a poor man getting poorer.

All people want these days is money, and most don't care how they get it. Even if it means stepping on someone elses toes.

This is like Wal-Mart taking over all the little general stores in town. Needless to say, SP has lost my respect, and business. (nothing against you SP guys)

thats capitalism for yah. let the courts settle this one, pattent law is very confusing, or so im told, so we cant even make a reasonable judgment on how this one will turn out....

[heyheyhey]

anyone notice that the only people fighting it own bushies?

hrmmmm:eyes:

[LoneWolfZ]

Isnt that to be supspected, dumba**.

I mean what if it was the other way around, all imp owners would be bi******.

[PhishPhactor]

i think the better gun should win this one. Shooting the impulse and having it just be insane, owning one for a year and then being wicked sad after i sold it, and then shooting a bushy and not being impressed at all. Smart Part's just had it. As for a post in the first couple, SP didnt steal the design they bought it

[NONE_too_SOFT]

yea the EPIC... thx for clearing that up...

ICD guys... your bushmaster is the little sister to my impulse, get over it.

all ICD does is mimic other companies... look @ their semi auto guns w/ the single regs housed in the back of the marker, hmm what does that remind me of ? *cough*AGD*cough*

[Hoplon]

Originally posted by NONE_too_SOFT

all ICD does is mimic other companies...

You mean like how Smartparts copied the shocker from pvi.
Or how they copied the Impulse from the bushmaster? Smartparts isn't the best at coming up with their own products either.

I don't see why you would think that the bushmaster is the lesser of the two guns. The performance is almost identical if you put an equal amount of upgrades in them. And yes, i've used both.

The only thing that smartparts does better is marketing.

[NONE_too_SOFT]

The only thing that smartparts does better is marketing.

and thats why they are a better company, and thats why SP is sueing ICD and not Vica versa.

[thebluenu]

Originally posted by NONE_too_SOFT


and thats why they are a better company, and thats why SP is sueing ICD and not Vica versa.

uh, they just have a patent that they, uh, patented..... first..... and they think icd is infringing on it.... :eyes: , not because they are a better company....

EDIT

ERM......
Originally posted by Hoplon
Or how they copied the Impulse from the bushmaster?
i thought smart parts made the imp first? or were they the first to patent the design (cuz thats who has the rights)

[Impulse88]

but are a bushy and a imp pretty much the same?? ive never seen the inside of a bushy but do people just think they are the same cause they are both cheap electros with boxy bodies?? but they might have a different noid houseing and stuff thats different like that????