High End-Catgory

[Esprit_inCANADA]

Alright I've decided to finally upgrade to the High-End category with a BKO how does this look oaky set-up wise, is there anything else recommended:

Bushmaster BKO (Black)
-12'' Boomstick ICD threaded
-PMI Perfect Drop
-Fill Nipple cap (Blue)
-Dye Sticky grips (Clear)
-Vigilante Inline Regulator (Silver or Blue)
-PMI Pure Energy 68/3000 fiber wrapped
-Rase Tank cover (Blue)



I will not consider keeping my Esprit because I'am really starting to dislike blow back, NE ways if there is an upgrade that will greatly increase performance on top of this lets hear it. THX guys P.S. this is my second set-up idea, I managed to get it cheaper.

[xLiLHockeyFreak]

I wouldn't say a BKO is necesarrily HIGH END, but it is nice, I'd keep that Spyder you have now instead of getting a BKO though, and Dye stickys for 40? That's a little high.

[CARBON]

I heard a couple of people having problems with the BKO's. I would save and buy a slightly better gun. Like an autococker, Impy.......something like that.

[-=ReD-hAzE=-]

$40 for stickies is normal for the maple leaf state...:P

as for that setup... how aboot an impulse... which comes with a uber nice reg...and is faster... and doesn't require HPA... so you can use co2 on it just fine...then stick an egg2 or halo on it...:agree:

[No_DAMN_NAMES]

Originally posted by -=ReD-hAzE=-
$40 for stickies is normal for the amazing country that is Canada.Thats what I thought.

[xLiLHockeyFreak]

Well according to your sig, you already have nitro, so save that new nitro money, and buy a better marker.

[Zophiel]

$265 - BKO
$90 - 12'' Dye Ultralite ICD threaded (Silver)
$95 - ANS Gen-X2 Inline Regulator (Blue)
Total: $450

Plus $170 - PMI Pure Energy 68/3000 fiber wrapped
Total: $620

Dump the BKO and the above upgrades. Get an Impulse Vision instead for $530. It comes with a Progressive barrel and a good regulator already, plus you already have a good tank (the 45/4500 in your sig; it'll hold about as much as a 68/3000).

Even if you insist on getting a new tank, for $450 you can get an Evil Omen, a standard Impulse, a WGP Outkast or 2k3 Cocker, or even a full ICD B2k3.

[Esprit_inCANADA]

Yah I have an N2 tank, I was going to sell it with my gun but I may keep it.

[CKYshane]

For $600, why not get a used E-mag on eBay? At the $600 level, you'll get nitro and level 10 thrown in, too.

[VRJustin]

If you were gonna buy an Impulse Vision....
Just get a 2k3 Bushy with PDS......

Advantages over Impy:

Two sided eye that doesn't care what color paint your using. (You can whine all you want about the new cricket being better but I haven't seen it with the Impy owners at my field)

Comes with LPR Stock

Comes with 2k3 Frame Stock, one of if not the BEST Bushy frame available.

No Bolt Stick.....

No FSDO (first shot drop off)

Greatly Improved Stock Reg, no need to change can keep up with high rate of fire. It's no Max-Flo, but for everything else you are getting this is a small trade off......

Comes with a CP 2-Piece barrel...

Capped at over 30 BPS, Impulse w/o vision at 13, impy w/vision is 20.

Only disadvantage is need to use N2 unless you buy a female stablizer, but you already got nitroso it's no big deal.

'nuff said....

[Zophiel]

Ok, I agree with getting the 2k3 Bushy as Justin said. However, just to point out...

Originally posted by VRJustin
Capped at over 30 BPS, Impulse w/o vision at 13, impy w/vision is 20.
Who the hell cares? :P Like anyone will be able to pull anywhere past 20bps.

[adrenalinejunky]

aka tornado valve is a good upgrade, it will put your efficiency through the roof

[VRJustin]

just stating incase he bought one without vision.... so he would know he was capped at 13......

[bandar]

i say just keep your tricked out spyder...i bet it can outshoot a bko already

[xavier678]

yeah, i would drop the bko, it is capped at only 10 bps. start pulling 11 and you will get only 5....get an imp w/ a few upgrades and you will be set.

[No_DAMN_NAMES]

Originally posted by VRJustin
If you were gonna buy an Impulse Vision....
Just get a 2k3 Bushy with PDS......

Advantages over Impy:

Two sided eye that doesn't care what color paint your using. (You can whine all you want about the new cricket being better but I haven't seen it with the Impy owners at my field)

The new cricket board is fine with all paint.

Comes with LPR Stock

You can buy an upgraded imp for the same price as a stock Bushmaster.

Comes with 2k3 Frame Stock, one of if not the BEST Bushy frame available.

Its about performance.

No Bolt Stick.....

Bolt stick only happens when you dry fire. At EPBO there are package deals that cost less than stock bushies. Comes with LPR.

No FSDO (first shot drop off)

FSDO is simple to fix. you just relube.

Greatly Improved Stock Reg, no need to change can keep up with high rate of fire. It's no Max-Flo, but for everything else you are getting this is a small trade off......

It is a trade off, one that doesn't need to be made.

Comes with a CP 2-Piece barrel...

For the price of a stock bushy, you can get a new barrel on an impy.

Capped at over 30 BPS, Impulse w/o vision at 13, impy w/vision is 20.

So you can shoot 30bps? the cap is actually 13.7 rounding up to fourteen, something I doubt you could pull for long.

'nuff said....
'nuff said....

[Mrfxiitxx]

Originally posted by VRJustin
just stating incase he bought one without vision.... so he would know he was capped at 13......

Not anymore, all the new impulses coming out are all capped at 20bps :)

Also the new vision eyes on the impulse do not care what color paint you use either. Bolt stick on impulses is actually only an issue if the dwell is set wide open and you dont have a tapeworm or LPR. I ran 2 impulse without a tapeworm/lpr for about 6 months without any bolt stick while dry firing.

Mr.Fixitx

[BaLLeRx10]

if your getting away from that blowback, then DEFIDENTLY get an impy. sure thy dont have an lpr. its just another thing to go wrong and for what .... 100 extra shots.

My impy has no fsdo or bolt stick (since i have a 10$ tapeworm)

the maxflow is 100 tiems better than the bushy reg.

the impy is quality for the same price

GET THE IMP, U WONT REGRET IT

[VRJustin]

someone please tell me where I can get an impy vision with an LPR and an awesome highly adjustable frame for 500. You can't! You can however get a b2k3 w/PDS for that much? what were you saying about a better deal.

Cheapest I've seen impys is at EPBO......and they are like 450 with LPR and blade trigger but those are none vision!

So the Bushy is cheaper.
Plus iit actually comes milled unlike the plain Impy.....

Sounds like a deal to me.....
pwned.....

EDIT: Link for proof.......
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3603373713&category=16048

[Mrfxiitxx]

oh wow a bushy for $500 I still wouldnt buy it.

I would spend that kind of cash on a stock impulse, vert reg, blade trigger, and a Evo2. Because the impulse has a great reg thats supper consistent, the blade trigger is very adjustable and with a decent hopper chopping really isnt an issue.

Also I firmly believe you pay for quality(to an extent) that extra $$ put into an impulse is worth it because its higher quality(imo).

In the end it all comes down to prefernce. If the marker feels better even if it is said to have slightly more problems I would still get it as long as it didnt break down every other day.

Mr.Fixitx

[F.O.D.]

Originally posted by BaLLeRx10
sure thy dont have an lpr. its just another thing to go wrong and for what .... 100 extra shots.



yeah we all hear about those lpr breaking down all the time :rolleyes:

and

the bkos havent been capped at 10 for like 9 months
new ones are capped at 26;)

[Hoplon]

Originally posted by Mrfxiitxx
oh wow a bushy for $500 I still wouldnt buy it.

I would spend that kind of cash on a stock impulse, vert reg, blade trigger, and a Evo2. Because the impulse has a great reg thats supper consistent, the blade trigger is very adjustable and with a decent hopper chopping really isnt an issue.
The new stock regs from icd are not bad. +-5 with no shoot down up to 20bps is what most people are saying.
The blade trigger on the new bushmasters in incredibly adjustable as well. I think it has more than the impulse. "the trigger has 3 swing selections and the length of pull, actuation and spring tension are completely adjustable."


Also I firmly believe you pay for quality(to an extent) that extra $$ put into an impulse is worth it because its higher quality(imo).
Smart parts is not famous for their quality. Icd is good about making all their parts to spec. 90% of the stuff that people complain about out of the box has to do with the fact that they didn't lubricate it. Occasionally a wire gets pinched during installation. Bushmasters are not a low quality gun.

In the end it all comes down to prefernce. If the marker feels better even if it is said to have slightly more problems I would still get it as long as it didnt break down every other day.

Mr.Fixitx

[paintballer42o]

Just get a better HPA tank and youll be fine....a high priced gun deserves high priced food

[Mrfxiitxx]

Hoplon,
+5/-5 isnt constency to brag about, my impulses get +2/-2 or better, its not uncommon for me to get repeat #'s accross the chrono and max flows are known for their incredibly high flow rate(thus no drop off or shoot down).

I never said bushmasters were low quality guns, I just think the impulse is just a bit better quality wise. While I do like how the bushies come stock with an LPR its not a big issue to me since I dont need to shoot a case on a 68/45, and its just one more adustment for people to mess up.

Mr.Fixitx

[Hoplon]

It allows you to run the gun at a lower cocking/operating pressure. It lowers kick and sound.


I don't know if this has been mentioned yet but the bko won't take half the regs that have been mentioned. There too fat.

+-5 is good enough. It might get better once it's broken in. I don't have one so i can't say.

My bushmaster will have a sidewinder on it next week. +-1.

[Housemaster]

Keep the N2 and buy an Evil Omen.

[CKYshane]

+2/-2 is nothing to brag about, considering stock Mags shoot +1/-0.

+5/-5 is perfectly acceptable. You'll still chrono at 290 just to be safe, so what's the difference? Numbers aren't the end-all-be-all of performance. This isn't math class, this is the real world. The importance of numbers is actually very minimal.

[Mrfxiitxx]

CKY shane, while #'s may not be critical in the real world they do help people decided between two things to buy.

Also +2/-2 is th worst my impulse has ever had for consitency if I'm shooting paint thats even remotly fresh. As I mentioned in my previous post its not uncommon to get repeats accross the chrono.

As for mags always get +1/-1 or better. Maybe yours does but the few I have seen dont.

Mr.Fixitx

[CKYshane]

If that's how you feel, you've missed the entire point.

The point is that +2/-2 = +5/-5 = +10/-10. It's all the EXACT SAME. You won't chrono higher than 290. The fact that you claim your impulse chronos at +2/-2 is just numbers to throw around while you're shooting bull; the performance difference is negligible.

You're still treating numbers as critical points, not measurements of performance. You're not understanding what the numbers mean to someone who needs to pick and choose what parts of performance are most important. If you think it's worthwhile to buy an Impulse over a Bushmaster for the simple fact that your single, solitary Impulse chronos +3/-3fps more consistant (with a reg that can be put on the Bushmaster, no less, and cost extra on your Impulse) you have the overwhelming need to get your head out of your *** and wallet.

[Mrfxiitxx]

CKYshane,

I think your making some pretty broad assumtions here without knowing anything about me. 1st its not a "single solitary impulse" I have 2, g/f has owned one and I am frequently asked impulse questions and to help set the dwell on impulse with the old style boards. I'm saying in my expeince with about a dozen or so differnt impulses they are very consitent overall.

"(with a reg that can be put on the Bushmaster, no less, and cost extra on your Impulse"

Um wheres this from ALL impulses come with a max-flow reg the only differnce is if they are horizontal or vertically mounted. The vertical mount does cost extra but performance wise they are identical.

Yes a max flow reg can be put on a bushmaster if your willing to spend aroudn $100.

Differnce in constiency are all not "the exact same" as you put it, better consitency means tighter shot groupings. Which I personally think is benifcial.

Ok if I'm treating numbers are critical points, not measures of performance, how would you suggest I measure performance???

As for my wallet well beleive what you want but actually my impulses are pretty close to stock, tapewerm blade trigger, vert reg and d/f's is about it and both were bought used. I havent replaced any of my internals because while people say there is performance differnce I dont feel the need to spend a couple hundred bucks when I am very happy with their performance now.


Mr.Fixitx