Shocker or angel

[MC Escher]

Here is the deal, which one would you choose and why?

[elTwitcho]

I'd go with the shocker, because as a back player, you want to have consistency, which is something the shocker kills the angel in. As a front player, I'd probably choose the angel just because it feels more manueverable, but since I do play back, I'd go with the shocker. And no I'm not BSing about the angels consistency, I've used one, and I've seen reviews that back up my opinion, so ha :)

[koolaidman88]

well...until i try both i cant ell u my true opinion, but judging by what i hear i would go for the angel any day, but for now ill stick with my tl plus.

[Watupi]

Shockers, uhh.

I would go Angel. Not to sure about the LCD though, I personally like the looks of the LEDs.

[polarbear]

Shocker is a poor mans angel. (just not as pretty) You would save $400-500 at least with the Shocker. And the preformance is about the same, and little better long range in some peoples opinion. So if your not a wimp and can carry 4 to 5 pounds while you run around it is a great marker. Also Shocker works on co2 if you need it to can't do that with an angel. With the extra money you save you could get N2 if want or Freak barrel, pack, rev, some all star or hellfire paint, and even some more stuff. But I'm not biaus. (sp)

[TLplus84]

i'd go with the Shocker too. All the stuff you pay extra for on the ANgel, you really don't need...Also Polarbear is right. With the money you saved up, you can get a nice barrel, N2 (even though you don't need it) and paint and STILL have money left over.

[SmartBall]

Consistancy
and Capibilitys

The consistancy is mainly becuase of it's low pressure operation and the max flo
and the capibilitys are becuase it's dead balls accurate and it's ability to use Co2 and still fire consistantly!

[Stompa'16]

Anyone who thinks an angel is not consistent has not used a properly adjusted angel. The problem is that most people dont properly adjust the gun. Also when you first take the gun outa the box, it still is full of grease from the factory which causes velocity inconsistency. After bout 2000 shots its all cleared out and the gun will be consistent as anything.

Once you get everything set right which isnt hard to do and you use a decent air system, an angel is just as consistent as any gun out there. All of my team shoots angels and all of our guns get +/- 1-2 fps over the chrono.

I'm not saying shockers aren't good guns, but i just dont like em. They are accurate and very quiet, and rarely if ever chop paint, but then again, the same goes for my angel.

Shockers have crummy efficiency,are bulky and heavy, and they don't have good balance.

And don't say "well you need to get in shape if you say the gun is heavy" i can play with the gun fine, but i prefer the lighter gun especially when i need to run or during those long games where it is not enjoyable to have a brick for a paintgun.

[elTwitcho]

I dont use either, I just thought the shocker was a better buy consistency wise. Maybe it was the grease, I dunno, but I didnt like the angel from a back players perspective. For a front player I could see how it became very popular though, even if it isnt my number 1 choice. To each his own

[Phaelon Veritas]

well I think I would take the angel lcd for a couple of reasons Bragging rights , The company which gave the angel it's popularity and because i am not shopping for price cause it's not coming out of my pocket... this would only apply if money were not a consideration cause Isa po man and all :)

[NickR]

Angels are way to over rated for what they give.

[Stompa'16]

How do you know if angels are overrated for what they give? I see no basis for your arguement.

While Eltwitcho has different views than me, he is intelligent about his arguements and has at least used the guns in question.

You on the other hand, cant decide on an entry level gun, so how could you be the judge of high end markers which you dont have any experience with ? He!! you still think that closed bolt guns are more accurate than open bolt guns.(Hmm that last statement is prolly gona open up another can o' worms)

[TLplus84]

wow....that was harsh......

[MC Escher]

please provide your words of wisdom and comment when necessary but try not to put down a fellow paintball player. Nick R we welcome you into the sport of paintball and the ownership of your first gun- but please try to elaborate your position so we can understand your view. peace to all.

[Stompa'16]

sorry for sounding so harsh but i always get so pissed off when new players are always trashing the angel saying its not worth the money and stuff like that when most of them have never even shot one

it happens all the time at one of the local feilds, they always talk trash at the chrono and stuff, and then after the games they always complain that we are shooting full auto when we aren't

just look at the review some people give the angel on this site, always saying its just an electro spyder and saying that their shutter is just as good

i dont mind if people can back up what they say, but when people make baseless comments on a really superb gun angel cocker bushy whatever it really pisses me off

[polarbear]

Originally posted by Stompa'16
He!! you still think that closed bolt guns are more accurate than open bolt guns.(Hmm that last statement is prolly gona open up another can o' worms)

(SOUND OF CAN OPENING) You not saying closed bolt are less accurate than open bolt, I hope.

[elTwitcho]

They're equally as accurate. Alot of people think closed bolt is so darn accurate because they've shot a cocker, and a cocker is accurate, and therefore closed bolt is accurate. It's just not true. The cocker is accurate because of it's consistency, regardless of what position the bolt is in, and the same goes for all guns.

[Stompa'16]

what i meant was that there is no difference between open and closed bolt in terms off accuracy

[MC Escher]

actually there is....

[elTwitcho]

Not really, because they're pretty much the same thing. In both instances, your bolt is forward when the gas is released, the only change is, that when you pull the trigger on open bolt the bolt moves forward, releases gas, then moves back. Open bolt, releases gas, moves back, then forward, releases gas again, Either way, the bolt moves forward and releases gas, it's pretty much the same, only what position the bolt is in before you pull the trigger

[Watupi]

He said it. The only difference is the position the bolt is in at the time the valve is activated. Ive tried to prove this point so many times some of the reviews here, but there is an endless amount of people who believe there is an accuracy and range difference.

[SmartBall]

A rhyme ;)

Really people, theres no noticable difference on a comparison between open bolt guns, and closed bolt guns of the same consisatncy range! A shocker is only more accurate than an angel because it is more consistant, stock. A tweaked up angel can be just as accurate and consistant as a shocker. Although the jacko infinity series barrels aren't the best (not as good as the AA's, at least i don't think so), they don't affect it that much.

[Counterfeit]

Yeah there is no difference. WARPIG had an article on it.

[polarbear]

Originally posted by SmartBall
A tweaked up angel can be just as accurate and consistant as a shocker.


Now thats a new one, if you just spend even more money on your angel than it can be as good as a Shocker. j/k ;):)

[elTwitcho]

And then, when everyone is arguing "My angel is just as good as your shocker now that I spent more money!" and "Quiet, you wasted your money" "No way, angels rule" The little kid with the model 83 shoots em in the back from 10 feet away, only after missing 2 shots because one came out of the barrel at 35fps and the other at 300.

And the intimidator is better anyhow :P No no no, I have my own opinion, dont respond to that, please no more flame wars... so tired of flaming people. Oh wait, no I'm not :)