Freedom Of Speech

[namida]

ok i hope that i dont get banned and i hope that i get the word to people before the mods delete this (if they do) but i dont understand if you post "how to" stuff or even talk about pb silencers you get your post deleted,now why cant you just for informational purposes??this may be my last post on namida for awhile if i get banned which i think if i do get banned that is harsh for what im saying.We should be able to give "how to create silencers" for informational purposes with a disclaimer on it,i mean i dont hurt nothing unless you dont have a disclaimer at the bottom

[X_Brolly_X]

Pbreview just does not want anything to do with silencers, its not clear what the laws are, so they just stay away from it. As for freedom of speech, this is not your website, you are a guest here, and if you want to stay you should follow the rules. If you want to talk about Pb silencers I sugest you go somewhere else.

[Meph]

Freedom of Speech is on American soil.

This is a private internet web site. Your freedom is what they allow you to have. You don't have free speech, what you get to do is what they let you.

Why? So that they have every right to ban little 13 yr old Johnny when they feel he deserves it, and then to contact his ISP explaining the situation and his internet service hence-forth would be terminated. Of course Johnny's Mom'll be pissed, but I'm sure there's pleanty of people here who'd pay good money to see what would happen then!


So you made a post about... well it doesn't matter. If they want to delete it, they have every ability to. If you don't like it, then you have every right to leave.

[Meph]

http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83522

And since you can't read THE STICKY at the very top of this web page (I know, it's too hard right now with you protecting your right to Free Speech). I will be more than happy to give you the link right there. Save you the trouble.

[Cadet2005]

Problem is Meph, Amendment 14 and countless Supreme Court rulings say the rights are guaranteed to all Americans and cannot be infringed by any governing body...the internet is technically funded by the government so this is being hosted by the government therefore applicable under US rules and laws...HOWEVER:

There are restrictions. A silencer discussion (while the FBI and ATF officially have stated that the device on the end of a paintball gun you guys call a silencer is not a silencer...you asked about silencers, flawed terminology Crime Dog, ask it by description you'll get this answer...PM me and I will tell you how I worded it) is not welcomed here because it is a gray area and Pbreview is right in not wanting to cross there...some idiot gets the right idea, brags about it to the wrong person and this site looks bad...

You're right, free speech is protected here and they do a good job of that, but something that is illegal by terminology (a silencer is illegal without permits) should not be discussed...it would be like if you brought up illegal racketeering or something, you wouldn't expect that to stick around...there's a time and a place, this may be the time to some extent but it isn't the place...

[Flanders]

the reason is, a silencer is a silencer, pb gun or glock same principlas

the laws are very strict, pbr can't tell ya how to make ur pb gun a nuke or use it for launching c4 (btw very cool idea imo) they are ilegal, any one who aids the transfer of this info knowingly is against the law

[Meph]

If free speech actually were protected then I could talk about porn and homicide willingly.

However there's a problem. Unlike the constitution there is a term of service we all sign before we can even post. If we violate that, we can have posts deleted and also be banned.

You can't be banned from America because you said something a couple people might not have liked. If so I'd love to get an application for that job because I can already tell it would be quite interesting and fun.

[Halliday]

You have no more freedom of speech here on pbreview than the Webmaster and Owner has granted you.

If he wanted to delete every word typed here that starts with the letter "F," he could and you would have no way to make it different.

Now I'm not saying there would be much left if that happened.........

:crazy:

[Flanders]

no f huh..imagine no e

[Paint Bulley]

Originally posted by Halliday
You have no more of speech here on pbreview than the Webmaster and Owner has granted you.

If he wanted to delete every word typed here that starts with the letter "," he could and you would have no way to make it different.

Now I'm not saying there would be much left if that happened.........

:crazy:

yeah F doesnt make much difference :laugh:

[Cadet2005]

Actually, if someone wanted to sue you over being banned for expressing his/her opinions (so long as they fall within the freedoms of protected speech, which i will get to in a sec), they could. Like I said, SC has power over you so long as you use the internet and so long as you're an American citizen...Amendments 1 and 14 go together as well as Supreme Court precedent dating far back...while it might be difficult to prove here, civil law dictates that no governing body can willing take away freedom of speech if it declares itself as an open forum...

HOWEVER, free speech is not unlimited. You can talk about porn in public (there was a case in Ohio that ruled pornography is not illegal) however, this site is not restricted to those under 18 meaning that this rule is protected under American criminal statute. Same thing with homicide, it falls under the "Clear and Present Danger Clause" of free speech established in O'brien v. US and Texas v. Johnson and upheld for decades. If it poses an immediate threat to someone, it is not protected unless under the professional confidentiality rules. This site does a relatively good job of closing threads that violate the free speech ordinance, though there are some questionable calls. The point is, the governing body over you CANNOT have any more authority than the United States Government, that is called the "due process clause".

[namida]

ok i am very sorry for this thread it was kinda stupid and i was kinda high and kinda drunk and it was stupid thread and i was lost but now im found

[Magnus55]

Originally posted by Cadet2005
Actually, if someone wanted to sue you over being banned for expressing his/her opinions (so long as they fall within the freedoms of protected speech, which i will get to in a sec), they could. Like I said, SC has power over you so long as you use the internet and so long as you're an American citizen...Amendments 1 and 14 go together as well as Supreme Court precedent dating far back...while it might be difficult to prove here, civil law dictates that no governing body can willing take away freedom of speech if it declares itself as an open forum...

HOWEVER, free speech is not unlimited. You can talk about porn in public (there was a case in Ohio that ruled pornography is not illegal) however, this site is not restricted to those under 18 meaning that this rule is protected under American criminal statute. Same thing with homicide, it falls under the "Clear and Present Danger Clause" of free speech established in O'brien v. US and Texas v. Johnson and upheld for decades. If it poses an immediate threat to someone, it is not protected unless under the professional confidentiality rules. This site does a relatively good job of closing threads that violate the free speech ordinance, though there are some questionable calls. The point is, the governing body over you CANNOT have any more authority than the United States Government, that is called the "due process clause".

Well I'd like to see someone try. "Your honor, Sid and Andrew wouldn't let me talk about how to make illegal silencers on their privately owned website that they provide freely to me and thousands of others out of their own pocket!!" Do you think that'd really hold up in court? :rolleyes:

[Yakb0]

Cadet, there's a difference between the government funding the infrastructure of the internet, and this particular server, which is a business, that recieves no government funding, and pays for a connection to the internet. Just like freedom of speach doesn't allow you to go into walmart, grab things off the shelves, and lay them out on the floor, it doesn't garuntee you the right to post on pbreview and waste their bandwith.

[Lord Draco]

Originally posted by namida
ok i am very sorry for this thread it was kinda stupid and i was kinda high and kinda drunk and it was stupid thread and i was lost but now im found

No more smokey smokey for you. :finger:

[namida]

I dont wanna get banned ill be a good boy

[Blaze_E]

Originally posted by namida
PEYOTE AND SHROOMS AND REEFER AND JACK DANIELS

but i love them

[namida]

I dont wanna get deleted ill be a good boy

[Cadet2005]

Magnuss, I am not saying in the silencer case it would apply, I am saying that let us say that I was for the war in Iraq and you guys were against it and I was banned for those views, I could try you in CIVIL court...look, you don't think the internet is not Federal domain, look at the Information reforms of the 1990s...if somebody were to look up child pornography on the internet would it not be a FEDERAL crime? If you were to hack into somebody's e-mail it falls into the same category as stealing somebody's regular mail, if you make a threat voer e-mail it can still be used as a terroristic threat, a FEDERAL crime...you can't just say "it is a private server" because it uses Government laws...I am not saying I would or think anybody else should try it for I personally have seen nothing wrong, but the United States Supreme Court has upheld in rulings regarding the internet that is is still under guidance of the Communications Agency (the name just slipped my mind) in D.C. and that makes it under federal laws meaning constitutional law still applies...with some limitations, and the ones you guys have demonstrated are fine but if you start cancelling people out because of opposing viewpoints you must A) disclosewhat viewpoints are not allowed and B) not pass yourself off as a public domain.

[Blaze_E]

YOU DONT BLEAVE THAT GOV AND FUK WITH WEB!!!!! LOL!

www.isonews.com

^^^^^^^^
go there and see

[Cadet2005]

One more thing: I am only arguing that the First Amendment does apply here, you guys act like it doesn't but look at hat you allow: everything under the 1st Amendment. It is because you are so used to the laws and ideologies of the 1st Amendment that you don't see them actually in action, therefore you think they need not apply here, forgetting that in our indoctrinated mindset, they already do...I am not saying this site is violating my rights, by all means no (I'd be gone now if I thought they were), I am just saying that what you guys do is because of the 1st Amendment's effect on our mentality.

[Magnus55]

But Sid, 50% owner of the server, is Canadian. :P

Oh and namida, that talk about marajuana and drugs is what will get you banned. Edit it, and consider this your warning.

[namida]

can i talk about how illegalization of marijuana goes against religious freedom????of course in another forum?

[Cadet2005]

I vote we close this thread since our wonderful initator of it just ruled himself incompetent by assistance of illegal substances...and before I come out looking like I am trying to bash this site instead of proving our thread starter wrong.

[Blaze_E]

i am sure no matter if sid is in canada any US cittizens can be arrested for give or even allowing plans to be made for a silencer PB or a real gun its all in the gray

[Magnus55]

Which is why... we don't bring the topic of silencers up at all. :D