Pump Or Semi

[helpme]

Im obviously new to all this. i plan on playin in woods area with cuzins who have semis(also new to sport) i was wonderin if u think i would be better with the pro carbine aor if it is worth learning to play on a pump like the sl-68 please help

[nycpb.com]

stick with a semi

pumps are more accurate but theres no use in putting yourself at the disadvantage of slower firing if everyone else is using semi

[Blacksheep]

Pumps aren't anymore accurate than a semi unless we're looking at the player...in that case, pumps may or may not be more accurate.

I firmly believe a good semi is better to start with and build on then switch to pump.

[nycpb.com]

Originally posted by Blacksheep
Pumps aren't anymore accurate than a semi unless we're looking at the player...in that case, pumps may or may not be more accurate.

I firmly believe a good semi is better to start with and build on then switch to pump.

what are you smoking? :eyes:

[evilhomer]

Originally posted by nycpb.com


what are you smoking? :eyes:

the good stuff, obviously ur not.

[Blacksheep]

Originally posted by nycpb.com


what are you smoking? :eyes:

Where does this theory come from that a pump is more accurate than a semi?

The closed bolt firing position? The fact that it's slower and therefore more accurate (due to players taking their time and putting themselves into more advantageous positions on the field)?

[Cadet2005]

Gaseous properties Blacksheep, the use and distribution of gas is much more consistent in pumps because you are not firing rapdily, which means you're nto going to have as much build up of excess gas that is moving from the bolt down the barrel creating a spin on the exiting round...essentially, it reduces the "slurve" nature of a paintball that comes from firing fast...since I know you served I will remind you that when you shoot any rifle with other than semi-auto firing the next two shots after the first go fof the mark...this is both high and left or right slightly, though it is imuch less noticeable in a real round, amplify that to reflect a paintball round.

I vote a pump if you're just playing around the woods and not looking at going to a field. I learned on a pump and I still have many of the paint conservation tactics that I bring to woodsball, it also makes you more prepared to rely on skill (crucial in woodsball) to get close to the opposition than on luck of firing a whole lot. Either way is fine, it really depends on you.

[llSmithll]

seeing as your cousins are starting too, id get a pump...
1) you will get great skills with pumping
2) you will save sooooo much money than they will its not funny
3) if you can kick their asses with a pump, then, someday, you will kick their asses with a semi

[helpme]

thanks for help ill probablly go with SL-68 II. Also ive been lookin at packages at 888, and they have one that is about 7 more dollars expensive and in that i can get a 20 oz instead of 12oz. Do u think this is better? Does the CO2 get old and bad after awhile if kept in bottle or do u have to get it refilled each time u play? What pb's are good in this gun, any or what? Thanks for help again

[llSmithll]

tippmann eh? good chioce. Countypaintball aslo has some good deals on sl68 II's also. on a pump, a 20 oz is going to be in your way. look at it. you can get off about 1000 shots from a 20z. thats 1000 pumps! id get a 12, or a 9.

Lol, no, Co2 does not go bad, but over time, your tanks will. if well taken care of, you can keep co2 in a bottle for years.

as for the 'balls, i cant think of any on the top of my head, but search the 'net for 'Sl 68 Bore Sizes' some charts will have reccomended paint too.

[helpme]

Good point , thanks again

[Blacksheep]

Originally posted by Cadet2005
Gaseous properties Blacksheep, the use and distribution of gas is much more consistent in pumps because you are not firing rapdily, which means you're nto going to have as much build up of excess gas that is moving from the bolt down the barrel creating a spin on the exiting round...essentially, it reduces the "slurve" nature of a paintball that comes from firing fast...since I know you served I will remind you that when you shoot any rifle with other than semi-auto firing the next two shots after the first go fof the mark...this is both high and left or right slightly, though it is imuch less noticeable in a real round, amplify that to reflect a paintball round.

I vote a pump if you're just playing around the woods and not looking at going to a field. I learned on a pump and I still have many of the paint conservation tactics that I bring to woodsball, it also makes you more prepared to rely on skill (crucial in woodsball) to get close to the opposition than on luck of firing a whole lot. Either way is fine, it really depends on you.

No enough to make a differance to me...I can pistol shoot a Tippy on target for the most part.

As far as "equalizing gas", not quite like a real gun because the charge behind the power is the same (although I hear that some soldiers drilled their guns to suppress them, too much mean that not enough gas so the piston wasn't blown back to recock and excree the old shell.

But anyway...most guns have valve recharge rates matched to the board/solenoid ROF so it's not a huge problem with shootdown etc although relying on firepower means that you wil lbe less accurate on average.

[helpme]

okay i looked around and found the bore size of the SL-68 II is .691 //// Now wneh buying paint would i want to look for something a tinny bit smaller a bit bigger or as close to .691 as i could find? Thanks for help

[Blacksheep]

Close .691...

Wow...that's even bigger than CCI Stock barrels.

32 Team Colors is bad paint for big bore...I remember our ten-round tubes had a 1/4" of space left and we all looked around and knew we were in trouble.

[llSmithll]

yeah, marbs. PMI marbilizers.
i wish i had my phantom :(

[dashfan87]

ok, i started out on a pump hated it, dont make that bad decision, you could get a spider semi for the same price and BELEVE me you WILL have a better plying experiance. and its not that big of a differance, if you can aim a pump you can aim a semi. i think a spyder or piranah would be best for a n00b. I seriously hope you take this into consideration.:)

[Cadet2005]

I started on a pump and still love the pump (I now use a PGP though)...it is personal preference.

[llSmithll]

first off, its personal prefernece, we showed him the facts about pump play and he seems to like it.
and what is the noob garbage everywhere? what is the definition of a noob? just because hes never played doesnt mean hes a noob. more like newcomer. an noob is someone who knows the facts and doesnt learn them.

[dashfan87]

sorry force of habit:D

[nycpb.com]

the only reason i could see people wanting a pump over semi is to learn how to conserve paint or all their friends are using them :rolleyes:

[evilhomer]

Originally posted by nycpb.com
the only reason i could see people wanting a pump over semi is to learn how to conserve paint or all their friends are using them :rolleyes:

.......or, just because they like pump play better. Ever thought of that?:eyes:

[dashfan87]

obviously not..........but anyways, pumps are alright, but its all what you prefer your self, i just think for a "newcomer" a semi would be a more injoyable experiance, exspecialy if your cuzins all have semi. but its all up to you pal. hope you like what you choose, and drop us another message on what you choose.:D

[imspecil]

I started out witha punp as well and im greatful i did. First of all i wasnt sure if i was going to get serious into paintball so and if i didnt i would have only been out like 100 bucks (for the pump alone) as other people said playing with a pump makes you a better player and conserve your ammo. Theres nothing more satisfying than eliminating a semi with your pump, even now that i moved to a semi my best memories have come from my pump.

It may take a while to get good with a pump especially since your just starting out but stick with it and you wont regret it.

[pEnNyWiSdOm225]

If you are serious in playing paintball then get a Semi.

[llSmithll]

Originally posted by pEnNyWiSdOm225
If you are serious in playing paintball then get a Semi.

wtf? and all those professional pump players arnt serious about paintball too? i still bet Total Grief could kick your ***.

[dashfan87]

dude IIsmithII you piss me off, he wasnt even flaming anyone he was just stating his opinion, and you totaly whent off on him, if you keep that crap up youre goning to get warnned.

[Blacksheep]

Calm down!

It's a stylistic choice as well as an adaptation to your own situation!

Sheesh! Facts or very well supported/documented things to consider:

Pros-
* One average, playing pump will make you better, faster because you will shoot less and play more!
* Pump is cheaper than semiauto play so you play more which means a better game
* People will call you crazy if that matters.
* Cheaper on average; top of the line Phantom= $700.00 at max, tricked Angel= $1400.00+?
* Build up base skills of snap shooting, teamwork, etc.
* Not as much to upgrade for those that like to max out their set-ups.

Cons-
* Outgunned
* You will be the target of other players.
* Suppression fire is hard to lay down
* Not a whole lot of customization to do
* Barrel choice is often limited due to the pump handle or threading

[llSmithll]

where the hell do people keep coming up with the idea that phantoms are 700 dollars?!?

[Blacksheep]

Phantom, vertical feed and vert air $200.00
AKA Sidewinder $85.00-$100.00?
Clear Parts $20.00
Acid Wash $30.00
Lapco Bigshot $50.00
LApco Autospirit $70.00
Stick Feed $30.00
SC Breech $45.00
6" Barrel $22.00
8" Barrel $22.00
11" Barrel $26.00 (assuming you get a 14" Barrel as I did)
Case $30.00 (I like!)
BSA Sight $40.00
Detent Rings $6.00
5" Sight Rail $5.00

PA $250.00+
Electro Conversion $350.00+
45/4500 $190.00

[llSmithll]

Originally posted by Blacksheep
Phantom, vertical feed and vert air $200.00
AKA Sidewinder $85.00-$100.00? you dont need a regulator on a phantom
Clear Parts $20.00 dont need these
Acid Wash $30.00 hes a woodsballer
Lapco Bigshot $50.00 stock barrel is fine
LApco Autospirit $70.00 this is the second barrel, like i said, dont need one
Stick Feed $30.00 this comes standard
SC Breech $45.00 this isnt needed either
6" Barrel $22.00 wtf, this is the 4th barrel now
8" Barrel $22.00why do you need this many barrels?
11" Barrel $26.00 (assuming you get a 14" Barrel as I did)good lord! why do you need this many barrels!
Case $30.00 (I like!) dude, this isnt a phantom accesory!
BSA Sight $40.00 walmart site is like 11 dollars, besides, WHY DO YOU NEED ONE?
Detent Rings $6.00 if rollout is this big of a problem, you kinda got an issue
5" Sight Rail $5.00 ?????

PA $250.00+ please.....this is a woodsballer
Electro Conversion $350.00+ pick one or the other man, pa wont work with electro., AND THIS IS A PHANTOM....
45/4500 $190.00 [COLRO=red]my 4 oz tank will last me all day anyways [/COLOR]

[pEnNyWiSdOm225]

Originally posted by llSmithll


wtf? and all those professional pump players arnt serious about paintball too? i still bet Total Grief could kick your ***.


WTF is your problem?

I stated My opinion, that is the point of a message board.
All I was sayin that if you are serious in paintball look into a Semi
We are all entitled to our opinion and that was mine

[llSmithll]

then your opinion is obviously biased

[pEnNyWiSdOm225]

No ive played with both Pumps and Semis and I like the Semis a whole lot more. if you can afford paint go with the Semi. Its alot easier to lay down sup. Fire and you get a quicker ROF. But a pump is a little more accurate then a Semi. It all depends on what you like.

[llSmithll]

and your point is?

[punkerx1]

dang man chill, he didnt even say anything offensive. i agree with him, a semi would be better. ive played with a pump, and sometimes its hard, even if you have skills, think how hard it would be if your new with a pump, im not saying he shouldnt try a pump, but it can be tough, and if he is losing constantly i dont think he will like the sport a whole lot. its diffrent for every player.

[dashfan87]

IIsmithII you make me sick, are you just here to piss people off? If so you got my attention and now you got your self reported :laugh: :pissed:

[llSmithll]

oh god! ive been reported!! whoopty do.

[Blacksheep]

Now, let's look at my original statment:

"top of the line Phantom= $700.00 at max, tricked Angel= $1400.00+?"

TOP OF THE LINE PHANTOM!!! That means tricked or with all the options and trimmings.

Let's look at this:

Barrels...well, I always thought that being able to ADAPT yourself as well as your load-out was important. So...I guess I COULD be wrong about that...but I don't think I am. Tell Smart Parts, Evil, Dye, Lapco, Powerlyte, and Empire that their barrels are useless because they either have varying sized backs which don't matter or they have exchangable tips and length don't matter.

I wonder...hmm...I could be ignorant...but CCI markets a case...but you see, they only market ONE gun...so maybe that case would be for the Phantom?

Regulators...I learned this in Newbie 101 school somewhere...also learned it while handloading my own rounds, grain by grain with a tweezer...I think it was something along the line that CONSISTENCY IS ACCURACY!!!

5" Sight rail is just another thing to have...like a lot of upgrades.

HPA...consistncy is accuracy.

The PA or electro converion, I was giving options.

Anoing...I'll give you that, but then if he's a woodsballer, beadblasting. I thought we were talking about tricked out here, not what's simply practical.

Roll-out...you must not own a Phantom or you have a great bore size. But around here, Hellfire and Blaze are the paint and they roll out a lot!

[llSmithll]

diablow is tinnie weenie! ask the store to get some more paint varaieties.

and co2 is consistant if you cronograph regularly, like say, every 2 hours. with a vertical setup, all your getting is the gas co2 anyway. if you need a regulator on a pump for consisency, then id suggest another pump. the only aftermarket addon for barrels would probably be the freak, and then your done.

and i dont get your whole point about the CCI case, it looks like they are still held on by velcro, so a 15 buck jt will still do the same...

[Blacksheep]

diablow is tinnie weenie! ask the store to get some more paint varaieties.

Paint varies by the batch as well...you sound like a newbie, you didn't do your homwork! Some Hellfire is .684, some is .687 so...what were you saying?

and co2 is consistant if you cronograph regularly, like say, every 2 hours. with a vertical setup, all your getting is the gas co2 anyway. if you need a regulator on a pump for consisency, then id suggest another pump.

CO2 will never be as consistent as HPA...period. You really do sound like a newbie now!

the only aftermarket addon for barrels would probably be the freak, and then your done.

Freaks aren't made for the Phantom unless you want to pay out the *** for Punisher's work...$100.00 for the barrel alone then you buy inserts, but you still can't change barrel lengths! Wow, once again, you didn't do your homework. Powerlyt Scepters, Freaks, etc, cannot fit thorugh the handle so you'd need to drill it out. Even then, you won't get the same result with a 1-piece barrel since inserts are onlt 5" long and a ball requires 8" to get max efficiency.

and i dont get your whole point about the CCI case, it looks like they are still held on by velcro, so a 15 buck jt will still do the same...

Maybe...But my JT case cost $45.00...explain that to me?

Anyway, so far, you only sound like a newbie.

[dashfan87]

IIsmithII just leave this has been going on to long and all youre trying to do is prove that you are a big shot know-it-all and your making a fool out of your self IN THE NEWB FORUM thats imbaresing. L-O-L:laugh: :laugh: :P :laugh: :P

[llSmithll]

Originally posted by Blacksheep
diablow is tinnie weenie! ask the store to get some more paint varaieties.

Paint varies by the batch as well...you sound like a newbie, you didn't do your homwork! Some Hellfire is .684, some is .687 so...what were you saying? im refering to blaze, if you want to argue about the boresize on that, just gimme a pm...

and co2 is consistant if you cronograph regularly, like say, every 2 hours. with a vertical setup, all your getting is the gas co2 anyway. if you need a regulator on a pump for consisency, then id suggest another pump.

CO2 will never be as consistent as HPA...period. You really do sound like a newbie now! i didnt say that it would be, whos illiterate now? besides, 6-7 fps isnt that bad if your in the 270 range anyway

the only aftermarket addon for barrels would probably be the freak, and then your done.

Freaks aren't made for the Phantom unless you want to pay out the *** for Punisher's work...$100.00 for the barrel alone then you buy inserts, but you still can't change barrel lengths! Wow, once again, you didn't do your homework. Powerlyt Scepters, Freaks, etc, cannot fit thorugh the handle so you'd need to drill it out. Even then, you won't get the same result with a 1-piece barrel since inserts are onlt 5" long and a ball requires 8" to get max efficiency.
yah know, for someone who really wants to 'deck' out their phantoms, that really doesnt seem so bad does it? but no....

and i dont get your whole point about the CCI case, it looks like they are still held on by velcro, so a 15 buck jt will still do the same...

Maybe...But my JT case cost $45.00...explain that to me?Sure, you GOT RIPPED! look for stuff here (www.ebay.com)

Anyway, so far, you only sound like a newbie. id rather be a newbie than someone who cant think properly

btw, dashfan, just please....shut up. do us all a favor

[dashfan87]

hey buddy, i dont know if you are smart enough to notice, but im pretty sure everyone is on my side, why dont you do us a favor and "shut-up".:sleep:

[llSmithll]

and exactly whos side are you on? all ive seen you say is 'woah, smith, your posts are waaaay too much to your point, and ill go agree with someone else, and if you disagree, im reportin you'. my friends and i have a word for that, but its censored.

the way you said it, it looks like i went off and shot a hot retort at you. did i? nope. so far, ive been decent enough to ignore your remarks about 'woah, dude, you make me sick with your radical and to the point remarks' back off punk. and i dont consider the voice of Blacksheep as everyone.

hey Buddy, i dont know if your smart enough to notice, but noone cares about you.

good night, ive had enough

[Blacksheep]

I could answer each of those questions, but this will jsut turn into an ongoing debate so I'm just going to leave you with some words of wisdom, "Far better it is to say nothing and let everyone think you are a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it." This, again, applies to you.

I may not be able to think "properly" but proper is simply your own perception of how I should think, but because you only see from your vantage point, you may not realize that YOU could be the one thinking improperly.

[Cadet2005]

Wow, it is really a bummer that this got away from the topic of hand about a pump versus a semi. I saw two guys come out and perform horribly with pumps, not good ones mind you, but one of the guys did really well hanging around me with my semi...we would force guys to hunker down then cease fire and he would pop them from nearly halfway across the field on a clean shot...people pay more attention to a semi than they do a pump.

But either way, Smith, Blacksheep, and Dashfan, you guys really got off topic and into a flaming war...I am disappointed in each of you...next time, try to show each other a little more professional courtesy.

[Blacksheep]

*Sigh*

Fine...but remember I'm doing this for you!

[dashfan87]

ya cadet, your right, im sorry, its just sometimes people can realy get on to you and you cant help it, but i defanitly see your piont. Sorry for waisting everyones time:(

[Cadet2005]

You all didn't waste anybody's time, it happens, I have been guilty of it, but so long as we don't allow ourselves to demonstrate it again, everybody comes out on top.

[Killer Kat]

I don't paid to babysit a bunch of idiots, If you guys can't play nice and I can't keep ya from dissin one another or flaming each other to carbonburgers, I'll just start shutting down threads like this!

CLOSED!