best spyder

[Ez8]

ok i know everyone is getting real tired of the poll but i need to know what you think because i want to get the best bang for my buck.

[A damn fool]

the shutter kicks ***, but if u have the money for it, id say buy the 90 dollar compact, nd upgrade it. Ull get the same outcome as if u upgraded a shutter, but u wont have wasted the 100 dolas on stuff ull take off. Do a setup likie i have, but wuth a compact, ull like it

[PetWoody]

i would say the shutter, they have the best parts and its a nice looking gun. if u plan on upgrading ur new gun just get the compact and save $100. Or get the shutter cuz of the pretty colors and upgrade that, but if u plan on staying stock definitely get the shutter.

[TLplus84]

i think the shutter is a waste of money. you get a reg taht doesn't work because the expansion chamber goes after it. If anything, Kingman should've made it a Gas thru grip. Then you pay more for a ano job which i dont think is too hot. You can get a TL Plus, send the gun to Sin Customs, and have it the same cost as a Shutter, and look better. Besudes, when you get a spyder, most likely you're gonna upgrade it, and that means getting rid of alot of parts. That's why i say get the TL Plus or the Compact 2k. You can make the Compact 2k better thant he Shutter, and make it cheaper.
Compact 2k-90
Barrel-50
reg-40
bottomline-20
tha'ts 200, beter than the shutter, and hte shutter is 220. OR if you want a good gun to start off with, get the TL Plus.

[Watupi]

For the money a compact2k is the best. If you put a new barrel and reg on it, it will already out perform a shutter.

[NickR]

The regular 2000(not compact) is the best buy. It has a internal bolt and a regualtor. It is also more acurate than the shutter right out of the box! It is only 149.99. And after a new barrel and exp. chamber it will outperform all spyders. And will everyone please get this through their heads that THE SHUTTER DOES NOT COME WITH AN EXPANSION CHAMBER, ITS A GRIP IDENTICLE IN EVERY WAY TO THE ONE ON THE TL PLUS EXCEPT FOR THE COLOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited by NickR on 02-22-2001 at 01:25 PM]

[Counterfeit]

Nick, there is no way it can be more accurate. If the guns have the same barrel and paint, shooting at the same FPS they will have the same accuracy.

Also the compact 2000 is a much better buy. The regulator on the normal 2000 is crap it doesn't do anything but kinda tell how much air you have in the tank. It also has a rear cocking bolt that does nothing for performance. Whereas the compact is only $85-90. You can take the money you save to buy a reg and barrel. It will cost less than the others and perform better.

[RedWidow]

You should check the results on the post I did about the best spyders,

[polarbear]

Originally posted by RedWidow
You should check the results on the post I did about the best spyders,

I can't believe that

[elTwitcho]

I'd say EM1, because it is my opinion that a pneumatic gun is better than a spring powered gun (The spring in the EM1 pulls the bolt back, the actual firing is all pnuematic). Since that's probably more of a joke that you put that on, second choice would be the Compact. You start with a very basic design, and from there make your gun exactly as you want it.

[davidb]

Take my word for it, learn from my mistake. Do NOT get the Shutter. Even if you are never in a million years going to upgrade it. The x chamber doesn't work. The reg is ruined by the x chamber, and it's a crap reg anyway. The only real advantages that a Shutter has over a Compact 2000 are the bottomline, foregrip, and rear cocking bolt. If you for some reason need a pretty anodizing job, get a Java edition C2K. Think about this:
Spyder C2K: roughly $90
PMI reg (doubles as foregrip): $40
Bottom line: Not sure, probably about $30
Rear cocking bolt: I think there's a deluxe one at paintballgear.com for $70.
Add that all up: $230. A little bit more than the Shutter. Probably the same if you include a shipping charge. If you decide to forego the rear cocking then it comes to $160. Significantly less than a Shutter, by about $60. That's enough to get yourself a nice Teardrop or other aftermarket barrel. Either way, the upgraded C2K will be 10 times better than a stock Shutter. Does the Shutter still seem like a bargain?

[davidb]

Oh I forgot to mention, because of the faulty design of the Shutter, it actually has almost exactly the same stock performance as a STOCK Compact 2000. The only advantages being what I mentioned earlier: foregrip, rear cocking, and bottom line. And, I suppose, pretty anodizing, which brings me to another point. The ano job on the Shutter is nothing to write home about. It looks pretty but is quite thin and scratches easily. Now, I have no reason to bash the Shutter just for the sake of bashing it. I own the gun, and wish like heck that I could say good things about it. Unfortunately, the only time I'll be doing that is in front of a potential buyer.

[NickR]

The 3 good chices of the spyder series are the compact 2000 is you are a BRAND NEW newbie, a spyder 2000 for the novice and the TL+ for the novice. But if you want a TL+, you might want to look at a Piranah STS G2. It is almost the same as the TL+ and is a little less in price. ALso it is better stock than the TL+. It alsp accepts almost every spyder upgrade

[davidb]

I agree with NickR on this one. Except MAYBE on the Spyder 2000, it's the same lousy regulator that's on the Shutter. Although it would work better, because it wouldn't have the x chamber. But yeah, I would reccomend a Piranha over a Spyder. They are made in US, higher quality construction... teflon impregnated nickel internals get rid of all that friction that Spyders have problems with, they look better, shorter trigger pull, and a good company backing them up. Only reason I didn't reccomend Piranha in the first place is I thought you were set on a Spyder.

[NickR]

Actualy i was very surprised with how well my reg. worked. I got an average of about 4fps difference. So did a place called http://www.paintballstar.com , they dont have many reviews right now, but they realy give the best and most thorough reviews yet. They dont just take theirs guns to the range, they take them to walk on fields and tell you exactly how it felt and worked. If you are looking for a couple more reviews, the site http://www.p8ntballer.com has a section called techroom. They review markers, barrels, and nitro systems. They helped me choose my barrel and marker, i say check the sites out.
Oh, and yes, the Shutter does kinda suck. Its worth every penny though. The shutter is 214. The TL+ is 154. Add on a reg and paintjob to the TL+ and it goes over 214. And dont forget the dropforward either. Thats another 20. But the shutter is REALY bright and shinny. I saw one at the field when i was playing a night game, it stood out like crap on white carpet.

[Edited by NickR on 02-21-2001 at 08:12 AM]

[davidb]

NickR, a question. You agree the Shutter sucks, but you think it's worth paying the extra?, Well, yes, the TL+ with a new reg and ano is more than $214, but let me explain something. The Shutter's design is faulty. Kingman either knew this and produced it anyway to entice the ignorant, (like me until recently), or they didn't realize it was bad. Either way, I simply cannot give Kingman my respect, because they either deliberately put a bad design on the market, or they were too dumb too know any better. Now, let me explain why the design is bad. The regulator goes before the expansion chamber. It doesn't sound like much, but here is an example: Picture this: you are in the middle of a firefight with the Shutter. Your reg is set to 800 psi. One of your team members asks for cover fire. You begin to shoot as fast as you can in the enemy's direction. Liquid begins to go through your reg, but thats okay, right? After all, you've got an expansion chamber. Wrong. The liquid goes into your gun until the pressure reaches 800 psi, and is trapped in the expansion chamber. Then, the expansion chamber causes the CO2 to do guess what? EXPAND! To around 1,200 psi. Now, if your gun was chronoed at the field limit at 800 psi, it seems reasonable that it will be considerably higher at 1,200. Resulting, of course, in a big long string of hot shots.
The Compact 2000, on the other hand, does not suffer from this. However, it has neither a bottom line, a foregrip, rear cocking, and (thanks I forgot about) the dropforward.
Therefore, completely stock, apart from the fact that the Shutter probably feels better in the hands, the C2K probably actually performs BETTER than the Shutter, at the very least during rapid fire. People need to realize that the quality of a gun is not measured by a list of parts and features, but by how it actually performs. Look at the Autococker. One of the best available. What extra features does it have? A non-adjustable reg, right? But it works, and works well. Just an example.

[spacer709]

i got a solution for ya: dont use shutter stock parts if ya hate em so much :D

[TLplus84]

so you might as well get a Comp 2k and get a reg, and make it better YET cheaper than the SHutter.

[NickR]

Ok davidB. First of all, the shutter is at a good price for what comes on it. But, I do agree it is a piece of junk. And second, the shutter doesnt have a expansion chamber!!!!! Its called a fore grip. Its a hollow piece of aluminum that the hose goes through. If you look at the Kingman website it says FORE GRIP under the specifications, NOT EXPANSION CHAMBER but FORE GRIP. Now i dont like the shutter one bit, but when you look at what you are spending and look at the PARTS that you get, you are actualy getting a good deal. But that good deal goes away when you buy an expansion chamber.

[davidb]

Yes, NickR, it says foregrip. It also says expansion chamber! I don't know what you're thinking but every parts list for the Shutter lists an x chamber. Thank God it's not a very good one (it's only a single stage) or the Shutter's performance would actually be worse! I just don't see how you can argue with this:
C2K: $88 or $109 for Java ed.
PMI Pure Energy regulator: $43
Bottom line w/ SS hose: about $30
Anti-Siphon tank: about $30, $10 or so to upgrade your tank.
PMI Razzor barrel: $50

Total cost: $211, or $232 for Java ed. (not including anti-siphon tank, because the Shutter needs this too). Best deal I've seen on a Spyder Shutter is $219. I can guarantee you that the upgraded C2K will have better performance, and if you got the red Java ed. and the red Razzor barrel, it would look pretty dang cool too. If you really need to have a rear cocking bolt, you can buy the kit from Kingman for about $40. The only things that the Shutter would have that this gun wouldn't would be a dropforward (wow, a whole 2"), and a neat little barrel shroud.
By the way, I get tired of people telling me that the Shutter's extra pieces make it worthy of costing more than twice as much as the C2K. They don't even work! And even if they did, they'd still just be sorry stock parts, which would cause virtually NO noticeable increase in performance. It's basically a red, blue, or purple C2K with a foregrip and bottomline.

[ptflyer]

well..if you use a stock shutter and use N2 the regulator works just fine...well even..not to say I didn't replace mine..but if you want to get a gun and run it stock and use N2.....the shutter will work just fine....

but if upgrading is in your future..maybe even.then I would go with a TL or a compact..



and I like the color of my shutter.......it says ."come and get me if you can"..

[Ez8]

well in 1 week i will finally have my first paintball gun, witch is the compact 2000! Thanks for the help everyone ( and I'm getting the cool red one, its purty!)

[Watupi]

Have fun with it.

[DraXsuS]

I bought a Spyder compact 2k and a dye barrel, and my friend as a shutter, my marker performes just as good as the Shutter! SO if your a newbie (like me) buy a compact 2k and upgrade as much as u want! (almost all parts in spyders can be upgraded!!!)

[A damn fool]

The shutter is a good gun, but the reg is useless. If u really think about it though, a shutter is a supd up compact, but eventually, if u upgeade a shutte,r u take off all the stock parts that were supped up to a cpmpact. What i wish i had done was buy a compact, and did the setup i have now, but instead of a blue body, id have a gray one. it would perform the same becasue evrything would be the same except the color, But it would have cost me 130 bucks less. So, if u want to upgrade rigth awya, get a compact. The shutter, works great, i know, i have one, but in the long run, i payed extra for a bucnh of parts the compact didnt have that i just took offf to upgrade ne ways. One good thing is though, is i like the blue coclor of the shutter :)

[PBSouLjAh]

is da spyder compact's body the same size as any other spyder? why do they call it compact?

[A damn fool]

its the same sixe body. its compact becsue it has a shorter barel, and no bottemline. The bottel runs verticle, thereofre making t more compact the nother guns.

[davidb]

It's sort of a nice way of saying "bare bones" :D Really though the compact is the best deal of the Spyders. You won't do any better with a TL, Shutter, SE, or any of the others than you will with a Compact with a bottom line. People just assume that because the others have all the extras that they are going to perform much better, but honestly, do you think that you'd be able to tell a difference in performance?

[Ez8]

man i didn't know so many people would say the compact is the best i thought a bunch of people would come and say "da the shutter is da best because its da expensive!" Oh well, I geuss my hopes were flawed!

[spacer709]

Yeah our shutters will always have a place in our hearts...sniffle...sniffle...:P

[elTwitcho]

Shutter's a good gun, it could be improved, and the whole expansion chamber re thing is kinda screwy, but it's still a good gun. Not the best buy of the spyders, but it's still good

[ptflyer]

SHUTTER...$210.00..subtract..TL+....$160.00= $50.00 ANO JOB + free regulator (it is what it is)

Enough said......;)

[davidb]

Why would it cost any more for Kingman to anodize the Shutter red, blue, or purple, than it does to anodize the TL black or whatever else? I'm not saying it's wrong, I just don't know why it would. I mean, it's not like the Shutter's ano job is anything really spectacular, it's just a different color (not done better or thicker or anything I mean). Seems to me they just put a different color in the acid when they anodize it. I'll admit, the Shutter is actually pretty cool if you use it with a remote or nitro or something, but if liquid is able to get in then the performance is at most equal to any other Spyder. Really even with remote or nitro the reg doesn't give a noticeable performance boost. I was shooting my Shutter earlier today, in about 50-60 degree weather, and there was ice shooting out of the barrel. Needless to say, this doesn't happen when I use my remote, but many people don't like to use remotes.

[elTwitcho]

You put the dye on after the acid phase that builds up the aluminum oxide. When you have a thick coating of oxide, you put the dye on then. Shutter could cost more because, instead of making them one color, they made em a variety of different colors, so you need to have new equipment for dying things the new colors (because you cant use the same equipment to dye something black, and another thing purple at the same time). That's why the java edition compacts are a bit more expensive too. That and they figure they can make some more money off of it

[shutterboy]

it depends on whether or not you want to upgrade or not.
if you are planning on upgrading i would go with the compact and then go from there but if you just want to stay stock i would get the shutter like i have

[druw_2000]

i know where u can get the spyder 2000 brand new for 129.99! oh yea thats were i ordered min from and man are they fast for delivery! spyders are the best semi guns around anyway! but, if u wanna know where to get this exclusive deal at, then let me know.