really interested

[cocker_girl]

i have been looking in on this site as a guest for a while now and on other sites as well. i have actually not played yet but will soon. i am looking to buy my own gun and have found i am very interested in the new autocockers. are they good guns? do they shoot nicely and accurately?

[Magadeth]

yes they are exellent. They have solved many of the problems that caused the older cockers to be the king of all aftermarket upgrades. they are still a complicated marker. If someone you will play with has one, and is willing to teach you the ropes of cocker maintanence, then it would be a great gun for you. IF you want something that is not so complicated, weighs less and has similar performance, check out AGD's automag/minimag line of markers.

IMO you will be happy with either. Hope this helped :)

[unknown]

for your first gun, before you've ever played, dont get a cocker, too much work and if you know nothing you'll hate it because you don't get used to it, the brand new 2k1 cocker will sit collecting dust when needier people (me) coulda had it.. so dont get it.. get like a tippmann, a spyder, pirahna.. something simple.

[DraXsuS]

Yes dont get a Cocker for your first gun, get a spyder, m98 or pirahna, ( i suggest a spyder)

[pk3`]

I suggest you should actually go out and play 4 or 5 times and THEN take it from there.

[mothon]

i agree with pk3 i think you should go out and play a couple times before you buy a gun. You dont wanna end up buying a gun, then go play paintball, and hate it(you probrably wont but just be sure).

[cocker_girl]

well thank u guys for your help. of course any site marketing a cocker will say it is great but i am glad people who have actually shot them have replied. i know i will have fun, i am not worried about that, but i guess i should try out a few different ones before i commit. thanks again all.

[Thead]

if you get a cocker for your first gun i will find you and kill you. sorry just jealous :)

[Anarchy]

i bought a ****ty BE gun first, played a couple times
then when i knew that i loved paintball, i sold it for what i bought it for, and bought an Xtra

[cocker_girl]

i never said i could afford one just yet i just said i was very interestd in them. they r pretty tight but i suppose my best bet would be to take anarchy up on what he said and get a cheaper gun to start out and get used to it all then sell it to get a newer, better one.

[Anarchy]

well if you know that you're gonna really get into the game, you might as well by an ok gun
spyders are the only way to go as far as i'm concerned
you can upgrade it later if you want also

[orryn]

Just rent a gun a couple of times. On the other hand, BE guns are cheaper than renting...hehe..never actually thought of that. :) I agree with everybody else who has said get a spyder, tippmann or pirahna. All I have to say is don't get a rebel. They have all sorts of problems and the customer service is crap. I would actually suggest a pirahna because they are good guns and PMI has one of the best customer service departments on the planet. Hope you have fun playing.

[Thead]

i think she needs an angel

[orryn]

lol...what ever newbie needs, a $2000 setup.

[paintballer56]

if you know how to take care of it get it

[Thead]

Oh i needed a 2000 dollar setup when i was a newbie. I bought an angel with angel air. I'm just waiting till i get good with my piranha before i use it. ;)

[Magadeth]

If you can afford it, DO NOT get a spyder. They have a tendancy to fall apart. Case in point, my buddy has/had the ultimate spyder. This thing had about $350 worth of upgrades on it. (It worked great before it broke) Last week the welds on the frame came apart and now he has an expensive paperweight. I will not argue the fact that spyders are simple beginers guns, but they are not that well constructed and need alot of work to perform as well as the higher end guns. Also, if you really get into the sport and decide to upgrade, the chances that you will be able to sell a spyder for what it is worth are very remote.

If you have the budget to do so, get a sturdier gun, like the automag. You probably wont have any problems with it and they dont need upgrades to work well. And if you decide to sell it and get your cocker, you should be able to get a fair price for it.

If you want to get a cheap beginers gun, go with the tippmans. They are very sturdy and you wont have the breakdown problems I have seen with the spyders. Not the greatest guns, but they are simple and tough, and again, the resale value is probably better that that of a spyder.

Spyders can be great guns, when they are working right. But I have seen to many of them have MAJOR failures to recomend them to anyone. (I am talking about more than just a busted O-ring here)

I would also recomend that you check out the reviews section of this site, before makeing your final purchase. Its always good to see what the actual owners of each gun had to say about it. Just click on the link below.
http://www.pbreview.com/10141/1/

[orryn]

Magadeth, you are truly a man of reason. :p

[Thead]

but he obviosly doesnt know the advantages of a $2000 starter setup

[Magadeth]

Thanks :)

[orryn]

true, true.

[Thead]

the biggest advantage being is you would look cool in front of all your newb friends. And then when you get owned by an experience player with a spyder or somethin, you'll look cool walkin off the field with that sweet angel. And you'll look especially cool sprayin paint everywhere without moving once the entire game.


word.

[Super Nick]

Originally posted by Magadeth
If you can afford it, DO NOT get a spyder. They have a tendancy to fall apart. Case in point, my buddy has/had the ultimate spyder. This thing had about $350 worth of upgrades on it. (It worked great before it broke) Last week the welds on the frame came apart and now he has an expensive paperweight. I will not argue the fact that spyders are simple beginers guns, but they are not that well constructed and need alot of work to perform as well as the higher end guns. Also, if you really get into the sport and decide to upgrade, the chances that you will be able to sell a spyder for what it is worth are very remote.



Spyders can be great guns, when they are working right. But I have seen to many of them have MAJOR failures to recomend them to anyone. (I am talking about more than just a busted O-ring here)

A Spyder can be a great gun. You cannot say that Spyders have a tendency to fall apart based on one gun. It could have been a factory defect or your friend may have been very hard on his marker. I have had a lot of experience with Spyders, and I have never had one have a major failure before. If it is more than just a busted o-ring, what is it?

[Magadeth]

Originally posted by Super Nick


A Spyder can be a great gun. You cannot say that Spyders have a tendency to fall apart based on one gun. It could have been a factory defect or your friend may have been very hard on his marker. I have had a lot of experience with Spyders, and I have never had one have a major failure before. If it is more than just a busted o-ring, what is it? [/B]

The latest, as I stated before, was that the welds came apart, and now there is no way to attach any sort of loader. This, according to him, did not happen as a result of any particular rough handleing, But rather happened while he was shooting of a prolonged string of shots.

Other spyder failures I have witnessed-

Safety fell out. We found it later, it was only held in with the pressure of the O-rings attached to it. Owner of gun continues to play without it.

Bolt bent- dont ask me how this happened, but it did. You can imagine the jam this caused.

Frame began to seperate. Just loose tolerances. some teflon tape fixed this gun and kept it together.

Random gas leaks- all fixed with various sealent methods, but still a pain and still ended the owners day.

Most of these failures were not on brand new guns(exept for the safety one, first day playing with it) but still a gun of any sort should last for more than a coupl of years.

Please note that I do not consider faulty O-rings to be a gun failure. Anyone running co2 will run into that sooner or later.