camoflage

[chibissj]

okay after playing today agin in the woods, i finally decided that the dark pants, and dark shirts that i had just aren't cuttin it, does anyone know how to make home made camo?

[Raptorz922]

Go to a Army surplus store and get some camo pants and a camo jacket for like $20 max.

[chibissj]

actualy where i live, by themself the pants are 39.99 for the cheapest, and jacket = same for cheapest......... by themselves, except one pair i found a whole BDU uniform for 25.99 but they don't have the right size.

[lookwow]

I would just take it and spend the money. Its rather hard to make a good camo unless you make a ghillie suit which will cost you more and take a lot of time.

[fyahracer]

Try going to a thrift store or second hand store you can bring 10. and get a good priced outfit...

[chibissj]

actually i went to thrift store, and they only hd camo pants but they were size 38 waist and yah i'm not exactly that big, and they didn't have shirts, so i had to settle with just dark clothes and pan.ts

[camoman5000]

Check wal-mart and places like that, sometimes you're able to find pretty cheap camo clothes there. Or make a homemade gillie suit and use that.

[Cadet2005]

Learn to play in woods...sorry to be blunt, but all camouflage does is distort your image, it is by no means fool-proof and it still requires understanding it to work. By using dark colors, you should be able to utilize shadows...but how often do you move? If you are constantly moving, don't bother, after all, the ground doesn't move, eh?

[Blacksheep]

Remember my armor anology...it make or may not work, but it's good to have

[chibissj]

Cadet2005 Learn to play in woods...sorry to be blunt, but all camouflage does is distort your image, it is by no means fool-proof and it still requires understanding it to work. By using dark colors, you should be able to utilize shadows...but how often do you move? If you are constantly moving, don't bother, after all, the ground doesn't move, eh?
what do u mean it's not good if i'm constantly moving to hvae what kind of clothes? i don't really move around i lot , the games we played i moved around to a spot at the begining of the game, then after like 2-3 minutes of nothing happening i'd move to another spot, then unless i saw them i'd be pretty still, or if iwas flanking, i would jsut run behind a tree, stay 30 seconds move until i flanked onto them.

[Blacksheep]

The range of the human eye to detect is about 200m.

Paintball ranges are about 50m or so at the max. You are well within detection range.

Just a thought...

[Lopez17]

Try looking for an online store. I've seen online places selling camo reasonably cheap.

Also...though the eye can see 200m you're looking through a mask which has a tendency to reduce peripheral vision and cause distortion in inclement weather and that's assuming in dense foliage you're able to see movement. I've played in thick woods were visability was maybe 20-30 meters. Tops. By the time people get near one another they're getting shot at and picked apart.

[Cadet2005]

Actually, with my V-Force I have incredibly good peripheal and my depth perception is almost perfect so it depends on the mask as well as the viewer.

Still, to give you an idea, it is pretty much SOP that once somebody is within 50-100 meters of you, the odds of detection in any conditional setting increase exponentially.

The point is that you sound as though you want it to save your hide, which it won't do. Case in point is that RealTree stuff, the biggest falacy known to man (you cannot present a 2-dimensional object as 3-dimensional and not make it stand out). If these guys see you moving or you don't use your surroundings well (which you would do with basic dark clothing) you will not see much of a change. I just don't think it would honestly be a wise investment because your problems aren't the clothes, it is your use of your natural surroundings.

[dashfan87]

I have a field right across from me, speed/woods combined. alot of us dont even worry about camo anymore because its pretty much useless. hear me out and think of these factors.

1. Its hot now its summer time, do you really wanna dress in full camo?

2. Camo is over rated unless you know how to use it(like, they have differnt kinds of camo.)it isnt helpful.

3. Do you have any dark green clothes like a green t-shirt and green pants or shorts,that can help better than black clothes or dark colored clothes.

4. Think of the kind of game you play, if you move more than 4-5 times a game then camo wont help sence you are probly on the move alot.

i hope you take these into consideration i hope you dont think im being rude by all means if you want camo then get it its all up to you im giving a personal experiance from my and my friends experiance its not worth the money you could be spending on your gun. ;)

[evan123]

camoflauge is pointless unless it is real MARINE ones...like the paints and the blouse. the black is cutting it jus use that...

[chibissj]

yah i think i'm just gonna end up buying this cool one i saw a full bdu outfit from the army surplus store, it's the real thing that the army peeps wear

[Magnus55]

It's an old argument, and we just keep walking the same circles around it. But hey I might as well voice my opinion as well.

If given a choice between wearing camouflage BDU's, or blue jeans and a jacket in a woods game, which would you pick? The camouflage of course. Logically it makes more sense. You're in a green environment, so why not wear something green? And if you can take one step further, and wear something spotted that blends in a little better then the green turtle neck sweater your grandma gave you, then why not use it? BDU's aren't designed to make you invisible. They're designed to make you less visible, and less obvious. We don't exactly have Predator technology where we can reduce ourselves to a shimmering silhouette. So BDU's might be the lesser of two evils, it's either that, wear street clothes or go completely naked. I'd say, wear the BDUS and have a good time. They're made for the woods, why not wear them in the woods? And so what if "the range of the human eye to detect is 200m" but a paintball can only go "about 50m or so at the max"? Chibissj Didn't say he wanted to be a sniper and shoot people from 200m away, he just wanted something that would help him blend in to the woods better than his regular street clothes. And military camouflage does exactly that. It also prevents thorns from piercing you, bugs from biting you, and plants from stinging you. So whats the problem with wearing something, designed for woods in the woods? It's not going to make him invisible, and it's not going to make him a better player... but it will help him hide and blend in just a little bit more than the guy in blue jeans and a jacket, so why jump all over him for using it? If it makes you happy then wear it. That's all I have to say. :)

[chibissj]

yup thx for advise, just need 25.99 now lol, i'm at 16 bux lol anyone wanna donate to the new to woodsball player fun aka, the give money the chibi fund hehe.

[Cadet2005]

This is and excerpt from the Department of the Army, Document STP-21-1-SMCT, "Soldier's Manual Of Common Tasks: Skill Level 1", p.209-10...basically, BIT. I post this because it is apparent people don't really understand just what camouflage truly curtails, they think the military uses the uniform and that helps them...here's why you guys need to do some research before you open your mouth (no offense intended, but when you criticize someone you had better be able to back it up...)


1. Identifiy Critical camouflage considerations, incorporating an analysis of the following considerations:
a. Movement.
NOTE: Movement draws attention. The nakes eye...can detect movement.
(1) Minimize movement, remembering that darkness does not prevent observation.
(2) Move slow and smoothly when movement is neccessary.
b. Shape
(1) Use materials to break up shapes and outlines (in other words, not a ghillie but make sure you aren't one solid figure, natural surroundings can do this well).
(2) Move staying in shadows.
c. Cover or remove any items eliminating light reflection (this factor alone accounts for over half of my eliminations of others).
d. Color. Objects must not contrast with the background.

In short, there is much mroe that goes along with utilizing the design pattern on the BDUs for concealment and again, they are not idiot proof. You must understand how these factors work and how nature appears and that is something from what I have seen maybe only a third or so of paintballers can honestly do. Straight up BDUs stand out as well (too many straight lines) and even the military will tell you they are ineffective as a concealing device except in infrared situations (which won't occur in paintball). If you think that they will help conceal you, then you do not understand the woods or camouflage, and that will hinder you more and more as you advance up in woodland/scenario playing...and again, I remind those who critique guys like myself that there might be a reason we can say stuff like we do with confidence: because we have the value of experience.

[Blacksheep]

To make it short and simple:

Camouflage works well with something in the way like brush, shadow, etc.

It's one of the tools to know how to use, but cover and concealment will beat it every time.