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Anh
06-09-2003, 10:45 PM
All markers are the same! Yes, I said it, no, I’m not on drugs, no, I’m not lying, and yes I do Paintball. I hope this will clear up “which marker is better then which”, and “what should I buy” posts…

All marker shoots at a standard FPS (feet per second) at each and every field… if your field doesn’t do this it’s not safe. For most field 280 FPS is the standard FPS setting, the goggles you are wearing are made to stand up to 300 FPS paintballs impacting it from a distance for 20 feet. Some are stronger due to structural design, and some are weaker due to structural design… but all have one thing in common, they can take paintballs impacting at 300 FPS. So now that I’ve cleared that up, you’re asking, “so why do some marker shoots farther then others if we’ll all shooting at the same FPS?” Well I’m sorry to bust your bubble but common problem solving and common logic tells us “If all marker shoots at the same FPS, no marker will shoot any farther then the others, whether it be Closed Bolt, Blow Back, Pump, Semi, Electro, etc. for all these markers the paintballs exit the barrel at the same FPS. Yes, the Tipmann Flatline does enable the paintball to shoot farther due to its design, but otherwise all markers shoots at the same distance. This rules out “My marker shoots farther then yours!” crap. Now the great debate “Close Bolt are more accurate then Blow Back”… Again I’m bursting your bubble, Close Bolt means nothing and open bolt means nothing in accuracy… the only thing it effects is the amount of air being blown back into the marker after each shots… (this can cause ball breaks or blanks). WARPIG.com has proven this in a test in which they modified a Brass Eagle Stingray into a Close Bolt marker, and shot it in test competing with a regular Blow Back Stingray. And guess what? “They’re the same!” So again I have ruled out the argument “Close Bolt are more accurate then Blow Back markers!”. Now another great debate “Pumps are more accurate then Semis!” Most if not all Pump markers style of operation is Close Bolt, thus people argues that it must be more accurate then a Blow Back Semi or any other Semi because it is Close Bolt. I have ruled “Close Bolt being more accurate then Blowback” a few sentences ago. So what with the myth surrounding Pump and accuracy? Well here’s my theory, “If you can only shoot one paintball a second, you better have a good aim and be on target!” Thus Pumps are thought to be more accurate then Blow Back/ Semi because the user takes the time to line up his target… This is good practicing if you just started paintballing, play with a pump, practice your aiming skills, it’ll help you when you get a Semi or anything else. So “now that Pumps and it’s myth surrounding accuracy has been exposed. I’ll move on to True Electro and Sear Trippers… a True Electro marker operates using a electronic valve call a solenoid. When the trigger is pulled, it hits the micro switch and thus activates the solenoid letting HPA/CO2 in to shoot the paintball out. A Sear Tripper is a regular Blowback with an electronically enhance trigger, the trigger can be adjusted extremely short (same with True Electro), the trigger operates a servo which operates the Sear (the thing that catches the hammer after each shots. (True electro doesn’t have a Sear) Depending on the functions set up by the user, the servo could release the Sear 3 times (3 times bursts) or release it until the user lets go of the trigger (fully automatic). A flaw in a Sear Tripper is that after time the Sear becomes worn out, but you can buy a new one for pretty cheap. So, which is better a Sear Tripper or a True Electro? Well since the paintball exits the barrel at the same FPS they both have the same range, and if they both have the same upgrades, the same paintballs, and the same power source (CO2/HPA) they will both shoot the same. Now Low Pressure Markers verses High Pressure Marker, some marker are design to operate at extremely low pressure (100 PSI-400 PSI) thereby decreasing the sound a marker makes, and lessen the chance of a ball being crush by a bolt. High Pressure Marker operates at a High Pressure (400 PSI-800PSI+), the sound will definitely be louder then a Low Pressure Marker and there will be more of a chance of a ball break, but ball breaks shouldn’t matter if you have an Agitated Hopper, or your marker shoots slow (5 balls a second). And the sound a marker makes doesn’t matter in detecting the source of the shot, a skilled paintballer can detect the shooter after 2 shots. Low Pressure Marker uses less CO2/HPA thus saving the user money, and a High Pressure Marker uses more air. But the shots saved by Low Pressure Marker isn’t significant to that of a High Pressure Marker… a Low Pressure Marker might get 100-200 more shots off, then a High Pressure Marker. So now, to my thesis, “Markers with the same upgrades (regulator, barrel, valve, bolt, etc), operating on the same power source (CO2/HPA), and shooting the same paintball will get the same result.”… All paintball varies in sizes so one marker might get an inch farther or an inch less… not significant enough to matter when you’re likely shooting 2 paintballs at a time. So which marker should you buy? “The one you feel most comfortable with.” Try out lots of marker before you chose, and always keep your mind open. “Just because the maker cost 100 dollars doesn’t mean it can’t beat a 1000+ marker.” Again a little advice “The marker doesn’t makes the man… the man makes the marker…” Hope this help all you paintballers out there!

Cpt. Of Team Biohazard X

Vo

PS Feel free to correct me!

llSmithll
06-09-2003, 11:02 PM
:dizzy: one look brought the comment to mind: ever thought of more than ONE HUGE paragraph?

Hoplon
06-09-2003, 11:25 PM
Yes, paragraphs are our friends.


I'm going to add a little to the closed bolt vs open bolt part.

I believe i know why people with closed bolt guns think they can shoot farther. In between shots the bolt on a closed bolt guns kicks back, resulting in an upward angle change. With open bolt guns the bolt flies forward before the ball is shot resulting in a downward angle.

So in essence closed bolt guns do shoot farther, because of the angle they are pointed at. This can be compensated for easily by aiming the open bolt gun at a slight upward angle.

That's my theory. Rather or not it holds water i don't know.

snaretan
06-10-2003, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by Anh
Now Low Pressure Markers verses High Pressure Marker, some marker are design to operate at extremely low pressure (100 PSI-400 PSI) thereby decreasing the sound a marker makes, and lessen the chance of a ball being crush by a bolt. High Pressure Marker operates at a High Pressure (400 PSI-800PSI+), the sound will definitely be louder then a Low Pressure Marker and there will be more of a chance of a ball break, but ball breaks shouldn’t matter if you have an Agitated Hopper, or your marker shoots slow (5 balls a second). And the sound a marker makes doesn’t matter in detecting the source of the shot, a skilled paintballer can detect the shooter after 2 shots. Low Pressure Marker uses less CO2/HPA thus saving the user money, and a High Pressure Marker uses more air. But the shots saved by Low Pressure Marker isn’t significant to that of a High Pressure Marker… a Low Pressure Marker might get 100-200 more shots off, then a High Pressure Marker.


I'm no airsmith so I don't know for sure but...

Wouldn't a low pressure open bolt marker have a greater chance of crushing a paintball with the bolt than a high pressure open bolt marker?

What I'm thinking is the bolt is still moving fast and won't have as much air pressure as a cushion as the bolt hits the paintball. Where as a high pressure blow back will have more pressure behind the bolt as it contacts the paintball creating a greater air cushion behind the ball.

Of course the more that I think about it this is probably not the case as a closed bolt marker doesn't break paint as it pushes the ball foward before firing, and it has no air pressure as a cushion.

So then, is pressure irrelevent when it comes to ball breaks?

Tan

PMI_Guy
06-10-2003, 09:34 AM
Bravo....but paragraphs are our friends.

AK47
06-10-2003, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by Hoplon
Yes, paragraphs are our friends.


I'm going to add a little to the closed bolt vs open bolt part.

I believe i know why people with closed bolt guns think they can shoot farther. In between shots the bolt on a closed bolt guns kicks back, resulting in an upward angle change. With open bolt guns the bolt flies forward before the ball is shot resulting in a downward angle.

So in essence closed bolt guns do shoot farther, because of the angle they are pointed at. This can be compensated for easily by aiming the open bolt gun at a slight upward angle.

That's my theory. Rather or not it holds water i don't know. thats doesn;t make a closed bolt shoot farther over open, good theory but doesn;t really work

Calebd2
06-10-2003, 11:55 AM
Trust me, this won't be the end

Blacksheep
06-10-2003, 12:44 PM
I'll sum this right on up:

The base preformance of all markers is the same.

Rock_Bottom
06-10-2003, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by Anh
All markers are the same!

I'd like to put a word in on that subject.
Brass Eagle Markers are not the same as other markers! Any decently made marker will shoot just as good as any other decently made marker. But Brass Eagle markers are NOT decently made. The people at BE cut corners to make their products cheaper. That is how you can buy an entire set up at Wal-Mart for $35.
I had a Brass Eagle marker as my first gun, and the internals were really screwed up. The springs came rusted out, and the striker bolt is made out of steel whereas the receiver is made out of brass. Thus the striker will bend the receiver as you fire your marker, causing your marker to leak gas.
All markers are the same on a fundamental level EXCEPT for Brass Eagle.

paintballer42o
06-10-2003, 03:47 PM
Just casue u post this doesnt mean people will stop asking what gun they should buy:eyes:

Anh
06-10-2003, 04:00 PM
Yes i no ppl will keep askin "which marker should i buy", i wrote this thread so that it would enligthen ppl minds... "My cocker is better then your sypder!" "My angle is better then your cocker!" etc. would hopefully be frogten n replaced with "If i pratice with my spyder maybe I can beat you!" instead of "Just buy an angle, a HALO, angle AIR, etc so that I can beat you..." LOL paragraphs would be best buy i typed this up at 11 30 on a skool nite, studyin for finals (finals = *ell).

Woods Sniper
06-10-2003, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by Anh
Yes i no ppl will keep askin "which marker should i buy", i wrote this thread so that it would enligthen ppl minds... "My cocker is better then your sypder!" "My angle is better then your cocker!" etc. would hopefully be frogten n replaced with "If i pratice with my spyder maybe I can beat you!" instead of "Just buy an angle, a HALO, angle AIR, etc so that I can beat you..." LOL paragraphs would be best buy i typed this up at 11 30 on a skool nite, studyin for finals (finals = *ell). Spell check, anyone?

C'mon, it takes five seconds to do.. Not that hard, if you ask me.

Captainmorgan
06-10-2003, 04:17 PM
well, the only real way there are the same is that its not like a deer rifle or something where some are more powerful than others. th main differences a in quality, and balls per second. honestly if you can shoot 22 bps and your againts someone that shoots 3 bps you have a better chance of winnin due to the fact that the other guy has a lot of paint flying at him.
some other things are that they have a better company behind them, made of stronger lighter materials, stuff like that.
no one would get mad if i asked "what should i get, a BE stingray, or an E-class Orracle". If someone asks what gun they should get, and it bothers you just dont read it! these people are just trying to get better information than you can get out or reading reviews.
I think its good that people ask what to get so they don't get ripped off. I have a friend that could spend $150, went to walmart and got a CRAP! BE gun ....that is why you should research/ask people.
yay! i used paragaphs!

Blacksheep
06-11-2003, 04:08 AM
Despite what was said, I still love my Stingray, the noise is makes will put heads down.

PartySquirrel
06-11-2003, 05:34 AM
Well, I felt it necessary to throw a few corrections at you. You stated that a low pressure marker is more gas efficient than a high pressure marker. When anyone refers to operating pressure they are talking about what pressure the gun uses to operate not shoot, almost every gun on the market has only about 60-100psi of pressure behind the ball. A high pressure gun will use less gas due to its higher pressure but a low pressure will use more gas due to the lower pressure. Other than that i don't think there were to many inconsistancies. Please feel free to correct me.

taso_winforce
06-11-2003, 05:51 AM
if you set up a low pressure gun correctly it will be more efficient than a high pressure gun.

note. I'm talking about spyders and other blowbacks but take a look at AKA guns. They are really low pressure and are really efficient.

PartySquirrel
06-11-2003, 06:51 AM
yea after i posted that a purple viking popped into my head... and there was much drooling, and it was good.

Forest Spyder
06-11-2003, 06:54 AM
next time ANH, post your essay in sections, that was overwhelmingly huge. Break it up next time man, because no one is going to bother to read it.