BOB LONG MILLENIUM OR TL PLUS?

[NICKYB]

I AM STUCK. what gun should i get. i would be planning on goin LP with both, but i hear the bob long comes pretty LP outta the box. By the way, i plan on adding a boomstick and PMI PURE ENERY Reg and drop forward to whatever gun. ANy input is appreciated.

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[davidb]

You might be better off asking people what they think of trying to make a blowback gun low pressure. Do you have all the money for the gun, boomstick, reg, and drop forward already? It sounds to me like you could afford a cocker! And no matter how much you upgrade a blowback it still won't match with a cocker. I'm sorry I just think you're heading down the wrong path here. Blowbacks just weren't designed for low pressure operation, and even if you could make it happen, it still wouldn't be as good as a true tourney level gun.

[ptflyer]

hummmmm.......don't know all that much about cockers...but I was under the understanding that it uses air or co2 to cock....thats what the front reg does...regulates the air needed to cock the gun...or in other words....air blows the bolt back...


so if you have air cocking the gun......isn't it still a
BLOWBACK????????????

[blades of ice]

get the bob long it needs a reg and valve and your set you have quik field stip nice body great trigger frame get it over any spyder but if you got the cash mag or cocker

[TLplus84]

uhh pt...we're talking about the Millenium and the TL Plus. THey are both Spyders. Get the Millenium, and change the reg. That's all you ahve to do to make it low pressure. it's only like what 200? that's a REALLY good deal for an already tricked out spyder.

[davidb]

Ugh... Does somebody want to explain to ptflyer why the cocker is not a blow back? I'm really not in the mood.
BTW I don't mean to offend you in any way pt. I'd say go for the Mil if you're set on one or the other, but it just sounded like you had all this money already and were going to spend it all right away. The Cocker is closed bolt, as opposed to open bolt blowback or blow-forward. As far as I know the Millenium is a pretty cool gun, but just IMHO it's not really practical to trick out an inexpensive gun as opposed to buying one that you can stay with your whole life. Just personal opinion though, you can do what you please.

[A damn fool]

the millenium is jsut like the tlplus, but is better, in muy opinoon. It has vertical feed, a nicer stock barrel, and is going to be easier to upgrade becasue everything is tandard on it, Thats the one draw back oin spydes, they have metric drcrews and an off line botmeline screw in. When are people gogint to start using the blow back guns section for these questions, thats what it is for, and ud get beter respinses form people who have used the guns. Just htought id mention it.

[Predator2]

But remember that there are single and double trigger options. Choose which one you like, i prefer, as many other, to get a double trigger.

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by ptflyer
hummmmm.......don't know all that much about cockers...but I was under the understanding that it uses air or co2 to cock....thats what the front reg does...regulates the air needed to cock the gun...or in other words....air blows the bolt back...


so if you have air cocking the gun......isn't it still a
BLOWBACK????????????




You... Sonofa... Stu... god da... friggin.... Ok, urge supressed. Ahem,

A cocker uses air to move it's bolt back and forth. When the bolt is being moved, air sends it back, and then air sends it forward again through a series of valves and whatnots. Air is the driving force behind a cockers operation, hence it is a pnuematic gun. A blowback, is set in the bolt open position when it is cocked. When you pull, the trigger, a sear is released. This sear was holding back the hammer, against tension applied in a forward direction by the main spring. When the hammer slams into a valve, it opens it. This lets air through the bolt and the gun fires. The air being released from the valve also pushes the hammer backwards. This momentum carries the hammer all the way into the "bolt open" position once more, where it catches the sear and stays in place until the next trigger pull. A cockers air that drives it's operation is also independent from the air that forces a ball out the barrel, while this is not the case with a blowback.

Only kidding about the flame stuff at the beggining, I'm just messin around :)