Response Trigger

[Ded]

The new responsive trigger or whatever they call it for the Tippmann 98 custom forces the trigger back to it's original position right? so wouldn't it make sense that if you just applied constant pressure to the trigger wouldn't it be just like automatic fire?

if so then shouldn't it be illegal in tournaments or at fields?

just curious

[Phaelon Veritas]

this does act like a full auto to some extent however the technology still falls within nppl guidlines 1 trigger pull travel equals one shot it is not a double action trigger (fire going back and once again on he forward stroke) and does not mainain a constant rate of fire if the trigger is held depressed there for on trigger pull travel one fire it's legal althouhg the nppl has questioned it they have not outlawed it.

[TLplus84]

the responsive trigger for the M98 i heard, will turn your gun into a paint blender. I really don't seeing buying something like a gripframe that costs more than the gun itself. Nitro tanks are different, but stuff like grip frames, i think it's a waste. Instead, save up that money and get a cocker ya know? just my opinion,.

[Phaelon Veritas]

I agree the response trigger makes an great blender and not worth the money but hell if it makes you happy...

[SmartBall]

It's only good if you want to bunker someone. See what you do is pull the trigger really fast until you get a ball break (should only take like 2 or 3 seconds of phychopathic beating on the trigger) then keep on firing until you fill the barrel up with broken balls and paint. Then go up to someones bunker and point the barrel at them while they cower at you, voila! instant bunkerage! and about a pint of paint on them for sure fire outs! Can't beat it! J/K ;)

[Eladamri]

Ive seen one of these that was set perfectly and it was awesome. But i've also seen kids walk into the store and do nothing but complain about them. I personally wouldnt put one in my gun just because I don't see the justification of it. You can still only shoot as fast as your hopper and if you overshoot the hopper you going to get breaks.

[elTwitcho]

If it is set to the point where you can just apply pressure and the gun will set itself into full auto, it is not tourney legal. Nice try though

[elTwitcho]

Some quotes

5.21 Players may use a single, 68 caliber, pump or semi automatic paintball marker...A paintball marker capable of firing in full auto mode shall be rendered incapable of firing in such mode in such a manner that a player may not readily change the marker back to full auto mode during a game and such that the modification is readily visible to the judges.

5.23 The definition of a trigger is the movable lever or button that comes in contact with the finger. The contacts of a switch will not be considered to be a trigger. A trigger pull requires an exertion of force by the finger on the trigger and a release of force by the finger on the trigger during every firing cycle. Markers may fire at any rate of fire, and may shoot any number of paintballs, provided that no more than one burst of gas is delivered down the barrel as each pull of the trigger occurs.

No release of force, no trigger pull, no dice

[Ded]

I don't want to get one hell, I don't even have a 98 i just have a friend in nags head who's looking into one and I wanted to know if they were legal and now that I know that they completely suck too I'll tell him that or I could just tell him they're great and everytime he tries to bunker me call his bluff and shoot him in the face as his barrel drips clogged up goo

[Ded]

so according to that twithcy, they aren't legal after all because you can keep constant pressure on the trigger and it'll keep firing, right?

[polarbear]

Thats the way I read it.

[Eladamri]

They are legal if properly set. You can set them so that they fire continually but there would be no point for doing that. The Response trigger for the M98 acts almost identical to the Automag RT. It is fully adjustable from deactivated to full auto. So even if it was not allowed in a certain tourneyment it can be deactivated, locked down and the gun can still be used.
Heres a quote from an article at Warpig.
"Within the NPPL, and many other leagues, reactive triggers are allowed, so long as they are not too reactive. The exact lines of what is and is not allowed are somewhat fuzzy, but according to NPPL Rules Committee Chairman, reactive triggers become unacceptable when they are "runaway triggers."

The full article can be found at this link.

http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/paintguns/m98custom/index.shtml

[elTwitcho]

Exactly, it has to be set pretty low. It's still a good feature, and it has a nice feel to it, but you cant set it to spring back real hard and you could just apply constant pressure to it. The rules are right there, so ya know what they are :)

[PBSouLjAh]

wait a sec....im not understanding this......are we talkin about da psycho ballistics electro pnuematic drop in kit($300) or da RT kit for the m98 custom? i was lookin into da 80$ drop in kit for the custom. how does it work? does it work like da automag Rt where it shoots once pulled back and once letting go? wat do u mean by its forced forward???

[Ded]

no that's not it at all. The Reactive or Response or RT pr whatever it is called does not fire the ball twice in one pull it just forces the trigger back to it's original position with air pressure so you don't have to let go of the trigger before pulling it again so you can just shoot really really fast. But from what I hear Model 98's don't take to kindly to shooting fast. They tend to splatter paint every where and turn out acting more like a wagner power painter than a paintball gun

[PBSouLjAh]

what!??! i like fan my m98 and i never break! maybe 1 in 300 if im firing as fast as i can....

[elTwitcho]

Yes but even fanning your M98 isnt gonna give you the same speed as an M98 Reactive trigger set to "stupid". You're probably looking at 20 bps rate of fire, which is just going to kill the M98 and any paint that tries to get into the breach. Which is why it was designed to put a light pressure on the trigger, when set properly, and It feels great on a mag RT if it is set right. Playin at the field I saw a kid who had the RT set to full reactive, on his M98 with no expansion chamber and no revvy. He said, and I quote "You're dumb for buying an electro when you coulda bought an M98 and done this" at which point he proceeded to fire a string of very fast shots. Well, it was more like chop a bunch of paintballs quickly. His gun didnt recock after the 5th shot either... Which is why we all shoulda bought M98s with RTs and not wasted our time on shockers, angels, cockers or intimidators. Boy we are dumb indeed :)

[Edited by elTwitcho on 02-23-2001 at 10:27 AM]

[TLplus84]

yeah fanning the trigger won't get you nearly as high a BPS as a reactive trigger will. I heard the Reactive trigger for the M98 is capable of something like 14-15 bps, and i know tht the M98 was not made for such high rates of fire. If the kit really costs that much, you're better of getting a Cocker or an RT mag, and save yourself fromthe trouble and frustration.

[Richy_C]

what not allowed in the tourney is call "runaway" trigger. It's after you stop puling the triger it continues to go full auto

[Ded]

I've never heard of that happening how would a trigger even do that?

[elTwitcho]

Nah, you still gotta put pressure on the trigger for it to fire, but it's runaway when it forces the trigger back and you inadvertently fire a second shot, or 19 more shots because you dont take your finger off the trigger on time.

[jizz186]

i have a question for you all.....some of you say that ppl have it cranked all the way up and just spew paint....but lets say i get a 12v revvy, and i already have a great regulator. but now if i get this revvy and then make sure not to set the response trigger over what my gun can do....between 9-12 shots, that way my revvy could keep up with it......will it do fine?? Like will i not just spew paint everywhere??

[elTwitcho]

That's the problem the automag RT has as well. If you set your trigger, to reactive enough that it goes full auto, it goes full auto at 25 bps (on the RT). That's gonna slice balls to pieces. With a non electro however, you cant change your rate of fire, so your options are either too fast to shoot balls properly, or a slightly enhanced trigger with not alot of ROF gain. Like I've alway said, it feels nice, but not nice enough to justify the cost

[jizz186]

so basically there is no way to set the RT so that you dont have to depress the trigger everyshot and not have a paint blender. what i was hoping is that you could maybe apply a little pressure and have the gun shoot in a simulated full auto but set it to only shoot maybe 9 shots a sec......is that possible??

[Silent Knight]

the response trigger is pretty cool. the gun can cycle super fast and unleash a ample amount of paint on a target. if you do hold the trigger down it acts, and feels like full auto but technically it's not.

[nickk678]

I have the RT kit in my m98 custom and get barely any breaks! This thing rocks. I can either spray paint all over w/o breaks, or i can play semi-auto w/o breaks. I dont understand how you guys can say it sucks with out ever trying it.

[Ded]

just give it time