why go expensive

[pbingdave]

i dont get y people wat the expensive gun. a rof of 13bps is still pretty good. why expensive? the milling? the comfort? the performance? i think that as long as a pbgun can shoot some 13 bps, its just as good as any other gun.:crazy: :crazy:

[amzng_spyderman]

it's fun :crazy:

[pbingdave]

ooo it all makes sense now...its all coming together:drop:

[Silencer.1]

Life's too short to shoot an ugly gun. It's that simple.

[paintballer42o]

Originally posted by pbingdave
1. the milling, the comfort, the performance,
1. True.
2. i think that as long as a pbgun can shoot some 13 bps, its just as good as any other gun.:crazy: :crazy: [/B]
2. No!!! Expensive guns are better quality and shoot fast. You get better and most of em are light and arent as bad as mose inexpensive guns. Expensive guns Shoot fast, are fun to shoot, can run off nitro better, etc.

[Boge]

The only reason you'd spend a lot of money for a paintball gun is because you suck at paintballing and you need a good gun to do the work for you.

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by Boge
The only reason you'd spend a lot of money for a paintball gun is because you suck at paintballing and you need a good gun to do the work for you.

Tell me about it dude. I mean back when I had a spyder, I sucked so bad. But the day I switched to an impulse, all of a sudden, I could run faster, snap shoot better, dive better, slide better, know when to make a break, know which bunker to go to, know how to get good angles, and all that good stuff. So its obvious that the higher end marker made me a better player :rolleyes:

Newbie.

[AK47]

its about performance

[LimeRatImpy]

take some Zen classes and learn to use the gun as extension of yourself, now you wouldn't want a sh***y spyder as your right arm would you, you would want a high end more expensive gun as your right arm;)

[amzng_spyderman]

i assume that you're talking about an electro spyder when you say "as long as it can shoot 13 bps." there is a world of difference between the feel of a spyder frame and a real electro frame. have you ever shot a bushy, imp, or e-bladed cocker? you'd be very surprised how different they are from a spyder.

[i like tictacs]

Originally posted by cocker kid 2k2


Tell me about it dude. I mean back when I had a spyder, I sucked so bad. But the day I switched to an impulse, all of a sudden, I could run faster, snap shoot better, dive better, slide better, know when to make a break, know which bunker to go to, know how to get good angles, and all that good stuff. So its obvious that the higher end marker made me a better player :rolleyes:

Newbie.

I love how cocker kid flames...but doesn't. Y'know?


And Boge, do us all a favor and uninstall internet explorer.

[FalloutMan]

Originally posted by i like tictacs
And Boge, do us all a favor and uninstall internet explorer.

lol tictacs your my hero.


cocker kid but with an ir3 you can email your buddies with it and rocky cagnoni and they can tell where the other team is and what bunker to goto and how to become neo and dodge paintballs!!!!

[opus16_16]

I think a high end gun ups confidence. I know when i play wit my automag instead of a tippy i think i can play better.

[Housemaster]

Originally posted by FalloutMan


lol tictacs your my hero.


cocker kid but with an ir3 you can email your buddies with it and rocky cagnoni and they can tell where the other team is and what bunker to goto and how to become neo and dodge paintballs!!!!

Yeah, I mean seriously, what's next for the Angel line? Built in Playstation 2? Tactical nuclear missile launcher? DVD player?

[LimeRatImpy]

the angel line is going to all turn into cyborg paint flinging machines, ohhh no its the rise of the machines, lol crappy terminator 3 pun.

[#1UkrainianPBer]

.

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

Originally posted by #1UkrainianPBer
http://www.ihateaol.co.uk/misc/funnypics/Look.a.newbie.jpg

that was retarded......but funny

[#1UkrainianPBer]

Just like my life...


:laugh:

http://www.ihateaol.co.uk/misc/funnypics/comedygold.jpg

[opus16_16]

Dude enough with the pictures.

Your not funny.

[#1UkrainianPBer]

Oh how funny...

I wipe my *** with sharper things then that

[opus16_16]

Originally posted by opus16_16
Dude enough with the pictures.

Your not funny.


I do not see anything in there that is meant to be funny.

I am just trying to show you that your making your self look like a moron.

[#1UkrainianPBer]

Man... I think the Genepool needs some chlorine....

[LimeRatImpy]

looks like someone needs to lay off the stupid moronic pics, lol:crazy: :laugh: :sleep:

[Micewheelz72]

Originally posted by #1UkrainianPBer
Man... I think the Genepool needs some chlorine....
sigged.

[Woods Sniper]

Oh my god, where do you get these, joke books? :rolleyes:

All your jokes are old. All your pictures are stupid. Anyone else notice that? I think something needs to be added into the rules about picture spam. Agree?

[Boge]

A real player doesn't need to shoot 13+ balls per second. A real player makes the best of each shot he/she takes.

Sorry to take away your glory.

[Blacksheep]

Kinda like asking why I play pump...screw it, it's just for fun, let people shoot whatever.

[midknight]

Originally posted by Boge
A real player doesn't need to shoot 13+ balls per second. A real player makes the best of each shot he/she takes.

Sorry to take away your glory.
I wouldn't exactly call some like Bob Long or Todd Adamson or Garry Noblet (when he played) "not a real player" just because they shot more than 13 bps. They're some of the best players in paintball, and they all shoot more than 13 bps pretty often because that's what they need to do at times because of their position. I've got nothing against pumps, I've got one that I play with sometimes myself, but I'm just pointing out that you can be a real player and still fire fast.

[Boge]

The question is, How good would any of those guys or anybody really be if they didn't have to spend $1000 on a paintball gun?

I think that is the point pbingdave is trying to make. Why spend a lot of money for a paintball gun if you are already good with the average gun you are using?

It's because you want to be better and the only way to really do that for most of you is to spend more money on a gun that will do the work for you.

I've said my piece. Try not to take it too personal.

[LimeRatImpy]

the thing is that everything in this world now has to be high tech, if you have a team w/ pump vs a team w/ high end guns that are of the same experience, the high end gun team will win becuase they are more technologicaly advanced in terms of equipment. Real players are those who are good at the game, you are a player if you are good and can shoot 1bps and you are a player if you are good and can shoot 13+ bps, but firepower does not make up all the player as well as skill does not make up all the player. Its a combination of gear, skills, fitness, and natural talent.

[w00twoot]

The point of buying a more costly marker is quality and the type of game-play you choose and the price range that you can afford.

[FalloutMan]

Originally posted by Boge
The question is, How good would any of those guys or anybody really be if they didn't have to spend $1000 on a paintball gun?

yes they would be they have been playing since the time pumps was the only choice


and #1UkrainianPBer got eat some lock tite i heard it tastes like candy...

[Shata]

Originally posted by Housemaster


Yeah, I mean seriously, what's next for the Angel line? Built in Playstation 2? Tactical nuclear missile launcher? DVD player?
Starbucks

[amzng_spyderman]

Originally posted by FalloutMan
and #1UkrainianPBer got eat some lock tite i heard it tastes like candy...
it does. loctite is made out of sugar, among other things.

[FalloutMan]

Originally posted by amzng_spyderman
it does. loctite is made out of sugar, among other things.


i know from experience i use the stuff get a bit on my fingers wash my hands before i eat and i can still taste the candy like taste :\

[i like tictacs]

Boge what are you talking about.

Having a high end gun doens't mean the gun does all the work for you. Not at all. It doesn't seem like you have any idea what you're talking about. If you were correct in your beliefs, then thousands of tourney players with high end equipment MUST be wrong, because surely, they could play just as well with spyders as 1000+ dollar guns.

[#1UkrainianPBer]

Ok, I'll "Got" eat some Loctite....


:rolleyes:


Hey, My second Sigging...

:D

[nzzzme]

Originally posted by i like tictacs
Boge what are you talking about.

Having a high end gun doens't mean the gun does all the work for you. Not at all. It doesn't seem like you have any idea what you're talking about. If you were correct in your beliefs, then thousands of tourney players with high end equipment MUST be wrong, because surely, they could play just as well with spyders as 1000+ dollar guns.


if thats all true, why do we have $1000+ markers in the sport?

[i like tictacs]

They perform better, are easier to shoot etc. Your playing will be the same in essence, but it will be easier to play better with the high end gun...meh, confusing myself. But it doens't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

[p8ntball1016]

Originally posted by FalloutMan
and #1UkrainianPBer got eat some lock tite i heard it tastes like candy...



i hear loctite 290 tastes like chocolate:crazy:

[pbingdave]

well so are you guys saying that the "essence"(word from i like tictacs) is the same, but the gun stimulates us into playing better?
or does it mean that our skills are the same, but the high end gun gives you an unfair advantage over the person who has a guns price is lesser than yours?
or is it something completely different and it is something that us paintballers cannot possibly comprehend and it is in the nature of the human soul and afterlife???:blah: :blah: :blah:

this is so confusing...liek, what is the meaning of life?

[midknight]

Well, if you put two players of equal skill levels against each other, and give one an E-Bladed Orracle w. nitro, an Ultralite with a perfect paint/barrel match, and a Halo, and the other a completely stock Spyder or Tippman with a 9 oz. and a VL 200, the one with the cocker is probably gonna win. Now that is a pretty unfair comparrison between guns, but its just to show a point. I think playing with a good high end gun that you're used to can give you a slight advantage because you know the gun, what it can do, and you know it'll perform well. I've got nothing against low-end guns, i just think having a good high end marker that you know well might just give you that extra advantage.

[Boge]

I never said that having a higher up paintball gun doesn't make you a better player. I said that the reason you would buy a better paintball gun is so you'd be a better player. Put it on a scale:

Let's give John Doe a paintballers rating of 5/10 just for his skill without any special equipment.

If John buys a spyder he will be at, oh, a 7/10.

If he buys a higher end gun then he will be at a 9/10.

John himself is only doing 5/10 quality paintballing. The gun is doing the rest of the work. So someone would by and expensive gun so the gun will do more work for them.

That is what I've been meaning to say. I play paintball and I've been playing for many years when the PGP was the best paintball gun around. I've gone semiauto with a Tipmann 68 carbine. I think this gun suits me just fine. Some people like a gun that shoots faster, but my point is, is it the gun that is shooting 13 bps or is it the player that is shooting 13 bps?

[Rugrat]

Why do people buy high performance sports cars? A Geo Metro also will get you from point A to B.

Paintball is just like the auto industry. You have those that buy high performance because they can afford it and you have those that buy high performance because it is needed for the level they compete at.

[Kowz_76]

Originally posted by p8ntball1016




i hear loctite 290 tastes like chocolate:crazy:

Sigged, and yes it does :P

[pbingdave]

no, cars are something different. cars are the main variable in pretty much everything in drag racing, other than when you push a button for the nas. but what is it in paintballing? in paintballing, you need accuracy, speed, manuvers, balls, ect ect of your own already, and all that doesnt come inside a gun package.

boge, you seemed as if yu=ou were saying that there is a certain level in a player. i think thats true. but then you said that the gun makes your level of paintballing higher. i dont know...

this is what i am gettin at. if a pro paintballer just used a decent gun, like a spyder, wont they be at the same level that they were using angels, since people say 'its not the gun, its you'? so then what is the point of getting a 700$ + gun when you could already perform the way you do without it?

im thinking that it doesnt matter, since then why are there propaintballers when obtainging skill and level and balls are just 1000 dollars away?

it sounds confusing, but you get the idea.

[poolshark5226]

Think of it this way:

-Lets say our boy Johnny has a skill of 10/10
-Now give him a totally tricked out Trixie or something with a Halo B and a maxxy tank and a perfect match in his Ultralite. He'll preform to the best of his abilities and his gun will compliment his skills, so he'll be playing at 10/10.
-Now give him a bone stock 98c with co2, a stock barrel, shooting BE paint, and a VL200. The set up is going to hold him back, so perhaps he'll only be playing at 7/10.
THAT'S the difference

[Rugrat]

pbingdave,
In racing you need tires, reflexes, alignment, tortioning, gear ratios, and driver skill none of these come stock in a normal car.

What's the difference betwenn a Spyder and a race gun? The race gun cycles much faster than the Spyder, has a greatly reduced trigger travel, has anti-chop systems, super sensetive triggers that can "bounce", most require HPA only.

Just like a high perfornace car that is designed to go fast and still maintain perfomance at high speeds, race guns are designed to operate at the highest ROF possible and still maintain performance. To say that there isn't a difference in performance is incorrect. Just like in racing, and paintball,the biggest limiting factor is not the machine but the operator.

[Jaster]

Originally posted by Rugrat
Why do people buy high performance sports cars?

One word....Compensation......

If you can't handle the "curves" anymore you might as well make sure your car can....

Gotta be able to impress the ladies somehow....at least the car's engine still revs....

[Rugrat]

So could we say the same holds true of PB Jaster :eyes: ?

Is your team co-sponsored by Viagra, Mr. Timmy owner? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Jaster]

Fast cars, hot markers, and Viagra.....the mid-life crisis ender!!! Wouldn't ya' say there Rugrat...your 30something now...you looking for a new team to get some sponsor samples.... ;) What's up need a new um...barrel?

[Rugrat]

No, my old Fish and '92 Toyota 4x4 still get the job done when needed my friend :laugh: :laugh:....But now that you mention it.....:eyes:

[m3divinewind]

imho expensive markers give only a slight advantage to the player... think about it, spending more money isn't going let you jump higher, run faster, or play better (rather, it may render you dependent on the gun itself too much). The essential properties of most markers and upgrades (with barrels being the big exception) are neligible if someone from outside of paintball looked at it: they all shoot paint more or less straight, semi's can shoot at least 10-13 bps, they fire 200-300 fps, weigh about the same, etc. Thats why we all make fun of those kiddies with automags, because they don't know the basics of paintball: moving around, communicating, knowing when to be where, and other common sense stuff that you need to take advantage of an autococker or mag. YOU ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR BASICS! Personally I respect someone who can get kills with a 'mere' spyder or tippman, more than someone who can get double the kills with an angel.

[i like tictacs]

Originally posted by Boge
I never said that having a higher up paintball gun doesn't make you a better player. I said that the reason you would buy a better paintball gun is so you'd be a better player. Put it on a scale:

Let's give John Doe a paintballers rating of 5/10 just for his skill without any special equipment.

If John buys a spyder he will be at, oh, a 7/10.

If he buys a higher end gun then he will be at a 9/10.

John himself is only doing 5/10 quality paintballing. The gun is doing the rest of the work. So someone would by and expensive gun so the gun will do more work for them.

That is what I've been meaning to say. I play paintball and I've been playing for many years when the PGP was the best paintball gun around. I've gone semiauto with a Tipmann 68 carbine. I think this gun suits me just fine. Some people like a gun that shoots faster, but my point is, is it the gun that is shooting 13 bps or is it the player that is shooting 13 bps?

The gun doesn't make as much of a difference as you think it does...

[tonysk83]

I defiently thinks it the indian not the arrow, but a damn good arrow helps a lot. When I had my 98c I never got anyone out, maybe 1 or 2 people a day. So, I got a cocker. I started gettign 1 or 2 people out a game, I was still new, but working on my game. I sold cocker and got a Black Dragun(needed money). I still got 1-2 people out a game. Then I got my Rt and I get plenty of people out each game. The gun will help, but you also have to play a lot and work on your skills as a player.

[Boge]

The gun shoots paintballs. You shoot paintballs at people. A lot of people think that the more people you hit, the better you are. If you shoot 500 shots in a game and you hit 4 people, then you are pretty good right? Well, what percent is that? It's under %1 shooting. That's pretty crappy if you ask me. Now I know that you don't always shoot to hit someone. Maybe you are providing cover fire or a distraction, but having to shoot 500 balls in a game or more is crazy and at 13+ balls per second? I don't understand that myself. From my experience in paintballing (more years than I care to count) it's not about having a gun that shoots fast. It's about how well you move, how good you hide or dodge or listen to orders. It's about how brave you are and how tactical you are. You can do all of that with a pump. You don't need to spend $1000+ dollars on a paintball gun. Obviously you would buy a fast shooting gun so you can outshoot your opponents. Do you really have fun beating someone when they are using a pump and you are blasting away at 13+ balls per second at them? Do you really feel good at paintball when you actually hit them 1% or the time? The real fun is when everyone buys the same quality gun and then plays together. That way you can see how good someone really is. If you want to see how well someone plays paintball, do you send in John with his pump against Frank with his fully auto gun and then say,"Oh man! Frank is good at paintball!!" I know I don't. Is it funner to get shot at with 13 balls per second? For me its funner when I'm getting shot at maybe 2 balls per second tops. I know that I have a chance and that is what is fun about paintballing. Getting into scary situations and pulling it off. I'm with pbingdave. Why go expensive when you can have the same, if not better experience with a cheaper gun?

[Silencer.1]

I have a couple of questions for you Boge. Have you ever played tournament ball? How many years have you played? What do you shoot?

[i like tictacs]

Ehm, nobody plays pump anymore...

[Silencer.1]

Originally posted by i like tictacs
Ehm, nobody plays pump anymore...

Hold yer tongue boy... I still do for rec play.:) Not only that but my homefield is holding a stock class 3 man tourney Aug. 3rd where we already have a bunch of teams signed up. And you say no one plays pump, bah!:P

[Woods Sniper]

Look at the Naughty Dogs. They were being held back with their high-end mech 'Cockers. Then the E-Blade came out, and now they pretty much own the field. ROF does make a difference, no matter what anyone says.

And I wish my field would have pump games... put my uncles old, old, old unidentified '80's pump to use. :laugh:

[LimeRatImpy]

yes the naughty dogs are giving dynasty a run for their $$$$ now

[tonysk83]

Originally posted by Boge
The gun shoots paintballs. You shoot paintballs at people. A lot of people think that the more people you hit, the better you are. If you shoot 500 shots in a game and you hit 4 people, then you are pretty good right? Well, what percent is that? It's under %1 shooting. That's pretty crappy if you ask me. Now I know that you don't always shoot to hit someone. Maybe you are providing cover fire or a distraction, but having to shoot 500 balls in a game or more is crazy and at 13+ balls per second? I don't understand that myself. From my experience in paintballing (more years than I care to count) it's not about having a gun that shoots fast. It's about how well you move, how good you hide or dodge or listen to orders. It's about how brave you are and how tactical you are. You can do all of that with a pump. You don't need to spend $1000+ dollars on a paintball gun. Obviously you would buy a fast shooting gun so you can outshoot your opponents. Do you really have fun beating someone when they are using a pump and you are blasting away at 13+ balls per second at them? Do you really feel good at paintball when you actually hit them 1% or the time? The real fun is when everyone buys the same quality gun and then plays together. That way you can see how good someone really is. If you want to see how well someone plays paintball, do you send in John with his pump against Frank with his fully auto gun and then say,"Oh man! Frank is good at paintball!!" I know I don't. Is it funner to get shot at with 13 balls per second? For me its funner when I'm getting shot at maybe 2 balls per second tops. I know that I have a chance and that is what is fun about paintballing. Getting into scary situations and pulling it off. I'm with pbingdave. Why go expensive when you can have the same, if not better experience with a cheaper gun?

Seriously man, I got the same questions as silencer, do you play tourney balls, or even nop what it is like? Most guys with expensive guns play tourney balls, or practice with tourney teams. So you honestly want tourney players to all go back to pumps? Personally, me and a lot of other players find it much much more fun, to whip out 13 bps, then shoot 2 bps. And what really the point, paint is very expensive anymore, back in the day it was 1 bucks for 10 balls I believe, now it gets as low as 3 cents a ball, so why not shoot more?

[Iwannariot]

I think recreational players buy high end markers because they have the money, and they want a really cool looking marker that shoots and feels better. It is mainly the player behind the gun, but a good gun would help performance, and confidence. When your at the tourney level you need a good marker, but for the recreational player it may not be that important. A tourney level player can't have his abilities liimited by a low end marker.

[Boge]

I haven't played in a tournament nor will I ever. I've seen tournaments and I just shake my head and think,"How stupid is that?" It doesn't even look fun to me. I use a Tipmann 68 Carbine. I use it because it fits what I like a gun to feel like. The feed doesn't block my view when I aim (yes I actually aim instead of firing off 13 bps until one of them acutally hits someone). I have a 4 oz tank coming from a vertical adapter. I don't need to shoot more than 200 shots a day and I still hit 1-2 people a game. It cost me $200 bucks for the setup.

Again, I never said that having a good gun doesn't help you. I just don't think it's a choice thing to buy for a casual paintballer. If you want to play in tournaments then you'll probably want one of those guns so you can actually compete. Put a player with a pump in a tournament with people using the 13+bps guns and he probably won't be very effective. I don't care who the player is. If he has a pump againt a gun like that, he probably won't be very effective and that proves my point that the reason you'd buy an expensive gun is so the gun will do the work for you that you can't do with a pump.

[i like tictacs]

That's not even casual paintball...I could go out with ten balls and hit 2 people a game. It's not that hard playing with a bunch of rentals. It sounds like you're just the "miltary sniper" who just wants to get out there and pretend to kill, and you think tourney ball isn't the same thing. Well guess what it's better for the sport...So stuff.

[tonysk83]

Originally posted by Boge
Again, I never said that having a good gun doesn't help you. I just don't think it's a choice thing to buy for a casual paintballer. If you want to play in tournaments then you'll probably want one of those guns so you can actually compete. Put a player with a pump in a tournament with people using the 13+bps guns and he probably won't be very effective. I don't care who the player is. If he has a pump againt a gun like that, he probably won't be very effective and that proves my point that the reason you'd buy an expensive gun is so the gun will do the work for you that you can't do with a pump.

Go read this part of your post again, you disapproved your point. You are claiming that it is only needed to aim and fire a few shots at people, but then you say someone with a pump is inneffective, so whats the point of aiming and shooting slowly when you'll be ineffective?

Personally, you method of firing is a bit funny. You take your time to aim at someone, yet you are leaving yourself completely in the open. Its easier to jsut come out, fire 10 balls at a person and get back in your bunker. Plus, you'll leave yourself less exposed.

[Boge]

People buy an expensive gun, mostly because they want to win and they can't do it without the gun. That's what I've been saying the whole time. You guys are just so closed minded all you want to do if fight me on it because you have nothing better to do with your lives.

By the way, I'm not a sniper. I move quickley up the line dodging shot after shot until I can get close enough to hit someone with 1 or 2 shots. I don't need to fire 13+ bps to take people out. I have other skills that don't require money and metal parts.

Oh, and I rarely get hit. That's my biggest talent is not getting hit.

If you still don't understand what I mean then you need to go back to grammar school.

I'm done talking now so argue amonst yourselves.

[FalloutMan]

Originally posted by Boge
People buy an expensive gun, mostly because they want to win and they can't do it without the gun. That's what I've been saying the whole time. You guys are just so closed minded all you want to do if fight me on it because you have nothing better to do with your lives.


hmmm you ever though people buy high end guns to be able to play at the same level as them? i own 3 guns 2 high end and one decent pump(sl68 2) last time i played with my pump i had the chance to take out 20 people(bunch of newbs with electro spyders but thats a different story) and i had the shot perfectly lined up at just one of them to take atleast a couple out before i got lit up(i was surrounded so there wasnt much chance of running away) i had the gun pointed directly at the guys chest. flys right past his shoulder i they see me i take a couple more shots they all fly right past them by inches each time(all aimed very well mind you) if i was using my gz intimidator or emag each shot would have hit him and all the people that were directly in my field of view at the time.

its not about the player in that situation it came down to equipment plain and simple. (the same applies to most situations with skilled players, although i dont think im anywhere near good but everyone says i am so.....)

[LimeRatImpy]

13bps is speed fired at Boge not how many you fire!!