Shocker FAQ

[Andrew]

Please contribute!

[Archer99]

Here are some of the questions I had about Shockers before I bought mine, along with the answers I have discovered after my first weeks with this great marker.

1. Q: Are Shockers really that accurate? A: Ok this could be a long one. My old gun was a very tricked, low pressure GT2000. With the correct paint/barrel combination, I would be hard pressed to tell a huge accuracy difference between it and my shocker. Sacrilege you say! Everyone catch your breath, here is the rest... that is only true under specific circumstances, shooting a correctly zeroed sight (red dot). ONE shot with the red dot was almost as accurate with one gun as the other. Shoot more than one shot and there is no comparison. Shoot fast with the GT and the pattern opens up. This is caused by the gun moving around more, the longer trigger pull, and the slightly more inconsistent velocities. The shocker puts all the balls in the same place. It barely moves with firing, even my SF on full auto. It is also very consistent. I have a Prochrono digital and my shocker frequently shoots 2-3 shots with the exact same fps. The rest rarely vary more than 3-4 fps. Consistency=Accuracy. In stock form, the Shocker would completely dominate the aforementioned GT2000. It took lots of time, effort, and money to get the GT shooting close to the accuracy of a Shocker. In stock form, there is not another gun that I have seen that can compete with a Shocker.

2. Q: Are Shockers really that quiet? A: Yes-with a quiet barrel. The guns internals produce almost no sound at all. The limiting factor is the barrel. With the stock barrel, there will not be a quieter gun on the field without a pump handle.

3. Q: Are Shockers really that big? A: Depends.. I think most of the "Shockers are giant 10lb guns" thinking comes from the fact that Shockers are frequently the first electro most people own. If you are like me, you bought a low cost semi (spyder, m98, piranha), found out you loved paintball, and saved up to buy a high end marker. Most of the low cost semis have lighter construction (more plastics, fewer parts), and when you make a jump to a Shocker, it is going to feel heavier and bulkier. Note that we are talking ounces here. Take your gun and feel the weight. Now fill your hopper with paintballs. Chances are it is now heavier than an empty shocker. My Shocker with a 24oz tank and 12v revy, measures 26” long and 19” high. With a vertically mounted regulator, a barrel in the 12” to 14” range and a properly adjusted drop forward, you can competitively play any position on the speedball field. Put on that stock 16” AA and the woods become your domain.

4. Q: Are Shockers hard to maintain? A: No, but If you can’t take every part of your M98, Spyder, or Mag apart, put the parts in a bucket and shake them around, then reassemble your marker without the manual, you may not be Shocker material. I come from a long line of machinists and mechanics. I’m a CAD draftsman myself and very technically oriented, so I love working on my Shocker. I frequently clean and lube it not because it needs it, but just because I find it relaxing and enjoyable. If you find yourself chucking your marker behind the seat of your truck with paint all over it after a long day of play, get another marker. The recommended daily maintenance on a Shocker can be done in 1 min-Unscrew and remove the bolt. Lube it and replace. The recommended monthly maintenance on a Shocker can be done in less than 10 mins. The manuals are well written, and a Smart Parts Tech is a phone call (and maybe a couple of minutes on hold) away.

5. Q: Are Shockers really Gas Hogs? A: Yes- Compared to most markers anyway. Shockers really have to use more gas because of their pneumatic operation. There is just more for the gas to do in a Shocker. The gas has to cycle the bolt back and forth to load balls every shot. This is the same gas that is used in the air assist. The problem is that it moves the bolt and then is expelled from the gun while a different volume of gas is propelling the paintball. That’s almost twice as much gas per shot as the average blowback. The upside is that because of its low pressure operation, the Shocker works great off of CO2. Liquid CO2 cannot exist at the operating pressure of the Shocker (180-200psi). CO2 usage was the major decision on my purchase of a Shocker. Believe it or not, not everyone has access to HPA! My field does not have HPA and you are hard pressed to find another electro that functions as well on CO2 as a Shocker (Impulse and Intimidator come to mind). Another plus is the cost of the air system. My 24oz Anti-siphon CO2 tank cost me less than $30. Most other electros require a much more expensive (and bulkier) HPA system. The HPA is usually more expensive to refill especially in the 4500psi version. So yes, the Shocker is a gas hog, but the low cost of the air system and tank fills tend to balance out the gas usage.

Those are the questions I had when deciding on a Shocker, and the answers I have found after ownership. A Shocker won’t turn you into Rambo. In fact, my marks probably went down as I got used to my Shocker, but the accuracy, speed, and stealth of this marker will allow you to be competitive against any marker out there, and out-gun most of them.

Note: This info is purely my own observations and opinions. If I have any misleading information here, please bring it to my attention. This info is based on the Shocker in my sig. I have not shot any of the newer LS or Vertical models, but if you would like to donate one….

Update: Been playing with a 2001 V-Sport now for 6 Months. The new leverswitch trigger feels better to me than the domeswitch trigger did. I also have a freak barrel for this marker. The ability to match paint is a great feature. No more worries about small paint rolling out of my barrel. I am surprised by how good the Vertical feed and 68cuin tank balance. The marker seems much smaller when properly balanced.

There is a gun with the quietness of a shocker prowling about. Its called the Matrix by Diablo.

I still think that the price/performance ratio makes the Shocker a great buy.

[Movieboy007]

Hey...Im thinking of getting a shocker...but...I got some questions...

1) Timing?...could someone please explain this to me...the gun ill be getting would be a '99 so itd have the old board I think...I know how to time a cocker...and I looked on the smart parts site and it says just flip switches...a little more explanation would be nice?

2) Oil?...The smart parts site says to use some squeeze bottle of pink cream as oil...do you really need to use this...or is it like using crisco to make cookies? You can really use any shortener...but they say to use crisco for advertisement...u know.

3) Battery?...Whats the deal with the battery...one shot deal...costs like 20 dollars...why?!...how?!...what?! I dont wanna risk frying my board and install a 9v...but...whats the deal with the battery...and where can I buy them cheap...and how do they last?

4) Powerfeed and air assist?...What is the benefit? What is it? How does it work? What do I need for it if its already installed in the gun to use it?

5) Upgrades?...Im looking at a shocker with new solenoids, new pistons, powerfeed air assist, werm 2 bolt, 2x trigger with uncut frame, hogue grips, gadget grip, s/f lock, and otp max-flo locking ring....Ok...question is we already covered the powerfeed and air assist...but the other stuff...is that good or bad...and for some of it what is it...aside for the obvious ones...

6) Overall?...Is the shocker a good gun...what are its pros cons...basically...I wanna know if I should buy one.

Thanks a lot whoever answers this...I hope this helps other people too.

[C4pyro]

1. Timing on the old boards is done by flipping a set of 4 dip switches. The first two control the bolt speed. The second two control the firing bolt time (how long the firing piston is open, and how much air is used.) Generally it should come timed, but if you wanna screw around with it, make sure you mark down somewhere what the original setting was so you don't screw up you timing and forget what the proper timing was.

2. No it isn't just a gimmick to sell a certain product. You have to use dow 33 grease to grease your shocker or your gonna screw it up. The oil doesn't stick to the parts, so after a lot of fast cycling of the parts and lost of air passing through these parts, the oil will blow all over the place and eventually you will have nothing protecting the innards of your marker parts. The grease stays on the parts, and that is why it must be used. Thiing is you don't even have to buy the smartparts dow 33 grease. The sell it at a lot of hardware stores as well. Just make sure its dow 33.

3. The battery is a one shot deal. It lasts for about 60,000 shots though so as long as you have an on/off switch you should be fine. The nine volt convertion isn't that major of a deal as long as you don't stick brand spacking new batteries in it. Other then that just take the batteries out of your twelve vlot rev that you have used for a while and throw them in.

4. The power feed is when the feed port crosses the opening of the breach. When you have an air assist it uses access air form the marker to push the balls faster into the breach of the marker. If its already on you gun all you have to do is attach a hopper and it will do all the work for you. If not you just have to unscrew the standard feed and then screw in the powerfeed attachment.

5. The new solinoids and new pistons are just working components of the marker. The new solinoids may just mean that the marker was freaquently used and have had them replaced. The new piston is one of tow things. Either the person put in a new one made of a stronger alloy or they old one had worn out and has been replaced. Its the part that moves back and forth to let air into certain chambers to fire the marker. Teh werm 2 bolt I have as well. It is a delrin bolt which is lighter and is self lubricating. With this your marker will be a little more efficient and the bolt will cycle faster because it is lighter then the standard bolt head. But even thoughthe bolt is self lubrication, still mack sure you grease the o-rings on the bolt head itself. The double trigger is simply that. A two fingered trigger. A gadget grip is a foregrip that is placed up at the front of the marker help stabalize the marker with your other hand that isn't on the trigger. The s/f lock, is just that your marker is apparently a select fire marker, meaning it has a switch on the fornt of the marker that when hit will either send the marker into full auto or three shot burst. The lock is a cover for this switch because full auto and burst is not allowed in tournaments. So if you don't do tournaments you don't need it, but if you do, thats what its for. The maxflo locking ring, is a ring that goes on the maxflo reg. The reg is used to control your velocity and can be done by hand without any tools. If one were so inclined in a game they could simply turn there velocity up and then after the game turn it back down to what it should be. This ring makes it so once you have set your velocity you use an allen key to tighten the ring so you can't turn up your velocity without the aid of a tool.

[Movieboy007]

Thanks a lot...I think I got everything...if I need anything else...Ill post again...Um one more question though...how long does a 9v last?

[DasBaldDog]

A 9v doesn't last as long as a standard Shocker battery (less capacity) but they are much cheaper per unit of time..

A shocker board runs at 7.2 volts, a 9 volt....well..... 9 volts.
Alot of people claim that you need some kind of device to up the ohm'age to prevent damage to the board. I personally have never had a problem with a new battery frying a board but if that concerns you, just put it in your revvy for a day or two or playing and it should be ripe for Shocker use.

[MentalleConfusa]

I am also looking at buying a shocker and cant seem to find the diffrence beyween the turbo the s/f or the 4x4 they all seem to be the same. Does one have more burst shots than another because they all vary in price. Also can you recharge the shocker batts or do you have to buy new ones.

[C4pyro]

Shocker batteries are one shot deals. Once they are toast, they are toast.

As for your other question, the s/f shocker has a selector switch with three round burst, full auto and semi on that switch. The turbo has a switch that selects either turbo or semi. And the 4x4 is semi only, its just a matter of how many balls per second you want.

[Cracker]

I read somewhere that a power feed on a shocker will feed faster than a vertical feed. Is this true? I always though that the vertical feed was the fastest one because gravity will pull it straight down.

[DasBaldDog]

With Air Assist on...... it's debateable but without, a vertical is faster but a powerfeed can have more balls in the stock than a vertical of the same height.

[Cracker]

Thanks. Im going to buy a brand new vertical feed shocker in a few weeks here and i just wanted to make sure. Do you have a Shocker?

[DasBaldDog]

I have 2 at the moment....

A 99 S/F and a 99 Eclipse

[Cracker]

Dang you must have spent quite a bit on those. Im going to put a lot of money into my shocker. For my final touch im going to get an American flag annodized on the whole thing. Its going to cost a ton but it will look sweet when im done. How are your shockers working out for you?

[DasBaldDog]

One of them I paid for, the other was given to me and he's never asked for cash for it yet so.......

They are the best guns I've ever owned.........

[Cracker]

I wish i could get a Shocker for free. That reminds me of somethign funny. My friend traded a Spyder compact with an expansion chamber, a drop and a nitro tank for a sweet autococker with ans front pneumatics, a benchmark frame and an all americna barrel. So he basically got that for free. Im buying my shcoker for $695 How much was the one you paid for?

[DasBaldDog]

$700 with alot on it.

[Cracker]

Was it used or what? Because im getting mine brand new. And $695 is the cheapest vetical feed i have ever seen.

[DasBaldDog]

Mine was used in perfect condition.

[Cracker]

You are so lucky. I wish i could find someone down here that wanted to sell a good one. But theres only one other person at the field that i go to that has a shocker since the owner sold his. And none of the stores sell them. I have to get it shipped to a store here. But hey as long as i get my Shocker i dont care.

[Hessian_01]

what would you say if i told you you could get the following for 529.99
INCLUDES:
LS TURBO (Smart parts newest) Board
Power-feed
NEW STYLE 14" All American 2-PIECE Barrel (able to interchange fronts or backs)
NEW BODY STYLE (smaller than older styles) WITH MILLING
ON/OFF switch
Selectable Semi-auto/Turbo Toggle Switch with Cover(s)
2-Finger Trigger with 2-Finger Guard
Max-Flow Regulator On-gun Bottom-lineset-up
Tournament Cover for Switch
Shocker Grease
Spare O'rings
Barrel Plug
Full Factory Warranty

[DasBaldDog]

I'd want the vert feed but sounds nice.

[Hessian_01]

thats the package i found, cheapest i've ever seen in my whole life!

[Cracker]

Where did you find that deal at? I just ordered mine today and it will be here in a few days. So i cant wait for that! But still how on earth did you find a Shocker for that cheap? I looked everywhere i could and 695 is the best deal on a vertical feed. And i realize the deal you found was a power feed body.

[Cracker]

Oh yeah and whats so special about the turbo LS board? I have only heard of the turbo board.

[Hessian_01]

i wish i could have told you sooner. Did you not want powerfeed at all? PM me for the adress, i am keeping it kinda secret for some odd reason...

[Cracker]

No i really wanted a vertical feed. But ill pm you because i have to see this for myself. Did you or are you buying it?

[Hessian_01]

i am, i start work at the beginning of may, so i wont be ordering till june though, sucks huh?

[Cracker]

Yeah. I had to wait a few paychecks before i ordered mine. But its definately going to be worth it. Are you a back player? Or do you just want the best gun in the world?!

[Hessian_01]

yes:agree:
Yeah, im a back player for Team Hessians here in Southern Utah, and the shocker(in my mind anyways) is THE back gun.

[Cracker]

Sweet. There really isnt a team here that i can play for. But i heard there is a lot of teams up in Colorado where im moving. And of couse the Shocker is the best gun ever! Dont need no stinking spray and pray angel. Lol

[C4pyro]

Its great you guys are getting along, but can we please limit the conversation in this thread to FAQ'a. Thanks boys.

[MINDofSIN]

What upgrades do you recommend?

[C4pyro]

I personally would recommend a vert adapter for the maxflo and a delrin bolt head. The bolt head helps the marker cycle a little faster and helps on the efficiency problems that the shocker is famous for. Also I would suggest a adjustable trigger. I like werms triggers, but you can go with any other trigger that is fully adjustable. Those are the things that I personally would start with.

[Cracker]

Why do so many people refer to have there max flow vertically adapted instead of keeping it on the bottom and getting a gadget grip? I it just because it would be lighter with it mounted vertically?

[C4pyro]

Well then you get rid of the maxflo off of the bottom of your marker and the maxflo becomes your grip. Instead of having the gadget and the maxflo, you just have the maxflo. Less things on the marker. Like I said, those are things I would personally do, it doesn't mean that you can't have them another way. I know a few folks that like the maxflo on the bottom and prefer the gadget grip.

[Cracker]

Yeah i prefer the feel of the gadget grip to the maxflow. How much lighter does it make it if you have the maxflow mounted vertically and theres no gadget grip?

[Cracker]

Ok i have another question. I know you should get an on/off valve if its going directly into your maxflow. But what if i have a nitro tank that doesnt have an on/off valve but it is always going to be in the gun. If i never take it out then do i need an on/off? As long as the first time i put it on there is no air in it then will it be a problem?

[MINDofSIN]

Does a Shocker balance/point well? Is it maneuverable? An Impulse comparison would be good as that is mainly why people buy Impys over Shockers.

[Super 3]

can someone list the pros and cons of a shocker over an impy?

[markhauguel]

This thread is kinda wandering off topic. But the $529 shocker deal is at BCBG paintball (http://www.bcbg-paintball.com/sale.htm) . I got one from there and it was at my door in 2 days. They are pulling the air assist elbos out of the boxes and selling them on the side though. They seem to be a good enough store. Good luck

[Rush4]

I'n sort of new to the electra marker platform, and i was wondering if there were shockers that didn't run off batteries they were just fast semis? and if so what kind and year would it be?

[DasBaldDog]

There are no non-electro Shockers..... They were designed by PVI in 1995 to be the first fully Electro-Pneumatic guns.

[werty7373]

im looking to get a high and gun and i think its gonna be a shocker how good is the AA package that u can get? or can u make ur own? i saw the new shocker on the site and i wanted to get lime green steel freak wit lime front 68 ci 4500psi max flo vert feed gadget grip and the smart parts grips i figure that would be about 1100+ or- can i get that cheaper also how good are they for front im kind of concerned about the tallnes and the weight

[baddy1121]

There kinda tall and a little heavy for a gun. once you get used to the weight not really a problem, keeps your gun from bouncin around when you are shooting.

My problem: I have a 2000 shocker which I bought used. The problem is the guy lied when he said there was nothing wrong. I cant actually even open the fill poppet. The 'noids are leaking all over the place, and when it isn't leaking no air goes through the bolt. If I were able to replace the 'noids, the fill poppet, and the piston would my gun work?

[Chris9227]

Spyder Elite (crappy)

TL Plus storm tl+ with electronic handle(ok)
16 oz
16"

Shocker sport turbo(best get one now)
:drop: :agree: :drop:



14" dye titanium boomstick
gadget handel
20oz on/off
12v revolution
what else should i get

[baddy1121]

you need to check other threads

different trigger?
some kind of delrin bolt( lots to choose)

[bob124th]

ya i am about to get a shocker and i need to know 1 thing, cleaning it, what do i do when i clean it, i know i need the special type of oil but do i tak eout all the internals and put the oil on EVERYTHING, dint wanna mess up my gun bad cause i did not clean it right
THANX

[DasBaldDog]

First off...... you do not use oil.... you use Dow 33 Shocker Grease and NOTHING BUT.

For most usable info, go to www.shockerworld.com

[Sunolplayerss]

sorry to whoever's faq this is but, ill take over fon a second, looks like your being bombarded with too many questions.
Bob124- You should take out the internals, remove old grease, apply new DOW33 GREASE to the o-rings, and o-rings only. Smart-Parts may void your warrenty if you grease anything else for it may clog up sensitive internals.
Super3- If I were a fron to middle player I would definetly use an imp. why? It's lighter and a little smaller. If I were playing back, I would go with the shocker, for its heavy yet accurate. You can throw a crazy amount with the shocker accuratly and quietly, The impulse isn't lound either but it can't beat the shocker.
Cracker- Your talking about Co2, Yes if you use Co2 you should have a anti-siphon tanks, it just seems that many anti-siphon tanks feature the on-foo thing. If you use High powered Air, ou will have no proble, just make sure to disconnect it from your gun before tunring the marker off.

[Sunolplayerss]

Forgot to mention, but I personally play front, middle and back with the impulse, its pretty versatile.

[bob124th]

ok this sounds real dumb but i got my shocke today (YAY) i have a n2 tank and all that junk but m ? is how the hell does it cock, my tank is not filled bu i though hat when i screw in the filled tank the gun cocks... i realy hve no clue tho. i dont see any thing that i can pull back or anything. but the gun dos look like it can take out any other gun on the field :)

[bob124th]

was in a rush here it is in better spelling

ok this sounds real dumb but i got my shocker today (YAY) i have a n2 tank and all that junk but my question is how the hell does it cock, my tank is not filled bu i thought that when i screw in the filled tank the gun cocks... i really hve no clue though. i dont see any thing that i can pull back or anything. but the gun does look like it can take out any other gun on the field

[Sunolplayerss]

hem hem, "patience is a virtue."

[DasBaldDog]

www.hypersportworks.com

They have a good animation of how a Shocker works.

[bob124th]

DasBaldDog thaz the 2nd time uve helped me just wanted to say tanx for the help

[bob124th]

ya i got problem today when i was trying to gas up my shocker. i put a new o-ring on it so that isn't the problem but anyway i screw in the nitro and the gas shoots out a little hole under where i screw in my tank. i think there is suppose to b a seal that goes where the pin pushes down the pin on the nitro tank. the hole is pretty big ad on my spyder its tiny. that might just b the dif in the make of gun. i put some gold cup along the thread of the nitro tank and in the little place that u screw it into and the same thing happend. do u think it will be expensive to fix. im pretty much out of cash. an i wanted to know if i got jiped on this gun. i got the gun (99 shocker) a tank (68 cu 3k) with a cradle. did i get riped off i payed 455 for this and the only problem is this seal thing (i think)

[Sunolplayerss]

Here try this. In the ASA put an extra o ring to cushion the gas valve. This should stop that problem from happening. Screw the valve in all the way until the valve is firmly seated in the ASA against the o-ring.

[bob124th]

anyone else having problems with shockerworld.com i cant get it toload up

[bob124th]

heres a different question. I love my shocker soo much and it is soo bad ***** i was wondering if anyone knew of a store that puts custom lettering.. instead of getting the whole gun anodized is it possible for a shop to put the words BAD ***** on the side of my gun. Has anyone ever heard of that happening... is it even possible?

[bob124th]

o ya the **** in my post above this is adifferent wordfor but t and starts with a A

[Cracker]

Any place that does annodizing should be able to do it. They just wont annodize the whole thing only what you want where you want it.

[baddy1121]

try psychoballistics.com
they do laser-engraving but it will void your warranty if you have one

[bob124th]

my friend if gonna get a cocker shocker or imp. he onlyhas 500 bux. can u say ebay. he wantstoplay front in speedball. what would b thebest gun. i have a shocker andi am gonna play back (cause the other 2 couldnt handle the pressure) if u have any ideas on what gun heshould get plztell me

[baddy1121]

pressure of playing back?

IMP!!! you can spray five balls before they know whats happenin

[baddy1121]

has anyone tried to do a acid-etching on their guns, like on knives.

[bob124th]

i dont know what i was on with the "pressure of back thing" it was like 3 last night andi was pretty tired

[Eyeless0486]

Ok, to get this thread back on track as a FAQ thread, here's a logical question finally. Are there aftermarket solenoids that are not magnetically affected? I read that the magnetic trigger modification will have adverse effects on the solenoids of the gun.

[Cracker]

Yeah there are. Im going to go ahead and install a magnetic trigger with out having the new solenoids though. I dont know of any web sites that sell them. But Das is keeping an eye out for me. Hes got a few connections on SP factory teams. But im definately going to upgrade to ones that arent affected by magnetic fields when i find some.

[DasBaldDog]

Alrighty....

I did get some new information from my boys at SP....

The magnetic trigger does NOT have enough force to greatly affect Shockers as Shockers run at no more than 11.25 bps....

They will however affect Impulses that shoot faster than 16 bps....

The Mag trigger WILL eventually ruin the solenoid but they're saying that it will take about 4 years to happen (at which time your solenoid is probably dead anyways)

[FrEaKShow111]

are there any cool animations anywhere on how a shocker works?

thanks

[DasBaldDog]

Check out www.hypersportworks.com

[paintballdudes2]

i have a 2000 4x4 with a SINGLE trigger nad trigger gaurd. i was wondering how i can get a double trigger

[chf roberts]

the only way to get a double finger trigger is to buy a double finger trigger frame.

i would either go with a werm frame or hyper sport works S frame.

[bob124th]

heres a question... if i left my battery pluged in would it still drain juice form the battery or will it only take some when i pull the trigger?

[DasBaldDog]

It would still drain. About 1.22 volts per month is my estimation based on testing.

[bob124th]

how manys volts r in a battery?

[DasBaldDog]

Well....

Standard 9V battery has about.... let's pretend NINE volts...

A Shocker battery has about 7.2

[baddy1121]

I finally got my shocker all nice and wired
bought a rockit piston
and my noids are leaking like crazy.
I have invested too much money into this gun for nothing
is it worthwhile to keep the gun and pay 160+ for new noids or can I buy them seperately?

[Hessian_01]

what year is it??? anything before a 2000 i would say no..

[Mud]

2000

[Flanders]

okdokey gonna try to load the shocker manuel, dunno if the pics will work but it's worth a shot
sorry if pics don't work
http://webmail.aol.com/msgview.adp?folder=SU5CT1g=&uid=4466709
tell me if that works

n/m doesn't work, ill ask a freind to host it

[baddy1121]

is there anyplace to buy the seals that go inside the solonoids.

I emailed HSW but they haven't sent anything back

[TrUeMaNsHoW90]

can we get a rough estimate on how many shots one will get with a:

47/3k
45/45
68/3k
68/45
88/3k
88/45
114/3k
and 114/45

cuz i havent seen anywhere where this is listed

[Hessian_01]

its posted at hypersport works, i think.
its also in NUMEROUS threads in this here shocker forum, you gotta search for them.


does anyone know what the pressure behind the bolt tip is? im pretty sure its not 180 psi. etc that your gun is running at. I stuck a ball in the breech and held it half way in so it would chop, and the bolt just hits and stops, cool eh?

[DasBaldDog]

On average... and I say that because the Shocker has no internal regulator so pressure is an estimate at best....

The pressure is approximately 1/3 of the operating pressure of the gun.

See, the Shocker has 2 gas chambers, a massive one and a smaller one. The massive one gets filled with 180 psi. The solenoid clicks over and lets about 1/10th of the amount of air from the massive chamber into the smaller chamber. The smaller chamber then is filled with less gas then the chamber size so the gas expands, reducing the pressure to around 1/3. I've got a notebook full of calculations on this and really, it's a educated guess at best.

[dillboy_2001]

so where can u buy new batteries and is it worth getting the conversion kit? and about the batteries they drain if they are plugged in but not on ???

[Hessian_01]

thanks das, i've been wondering for months now.

a 9 volt conversion is VERY easy to do. Take your old battery and nip the connector of as close to the battery as possible. Go to radio shack and buy a package of 9 volt tabs (they come in packs of 5) for 1.99, you can either solder or splice(soldering is extremly recomended) the red to the red and the black to the black. Get a peice of electrical tape and wrap once around both solders, to prevent shorting, this is crucial. snap a 9 volt on there and reconnect to your gun. took me all of 5 minutes, very worth the 1.99 i spent on it.
your gun wont drain batteries if it is off and even if you leave it on it wont drain very fast.

[dillboy_2001]

hey urgent Q i was having trouble turning my shocker on and off so i took out the screw and looked at the chip and the little lever and one of the prongs were broken off i was wondering if i could fix it by putting super glue on the bottom of the switch and then it wont need 2 prongs cause it is againt the board or w/e need help

[bob124th]

all of the blade triggers i have seen r for the shockers with the ls board.. i unfortunately have a ds board. has anyone seen a blade trigger i could use on my shocker.. i would love to get it. it looks comfortable and looks like u can shoot fast with it. most of all it looks sweet. well if anyone knows of 1 then post or pm me.. thanx

[Okay_bliss]

hey i just my shocker s/f. when i try to screw in my tank it just sprays out air...i think it's something to do with the push pin in the reg...how can i fix this? thaks
Celph:D :pissed: :confused:

[bob124th]

hehe.. ya... i had the same problem.. try doing this.. put a extra o-ring between the co2 tank and the asa.. it worked for me.

[Okay_bliss]

will do thanks for the heads up:) any one else have a s/f?

[DasBaldDog]

I do, and it's for sale.

[scarysuperd]

Look someone help me . My friend just bought his new shocker sport blue to black fade from actionvillage we get the gun go to the field air it up and the max flo goes nuts it just sprays air finally we get gun to shoot its awesoem but max flo is so crappy now the gun cant eve get air because of max flo wtf is going on?

[DasBaldDog]

And you blame the MaxFlo... why? So far you have provided no symptoms that the Flo is the problem.

One thing to do, is take the screw cap off the maxflo, take the brass piston out, and grease the o-ring on it....

Secondly, it also may be your pressure release valve. In that case, some genius turned the pressure up. If so, thank God that the PRV is venting cause it just saved you $160.

[stickypinecone3]

hey,
what is the weight of the 02 shcoker vert. feed? uhh on it i will have an evo2 and a 68ci carbon fiber tank. so do you know what the weight would be. i think that i heard it was about 6 lbs. with that stuff on it but im not sure.so please lemme know. and if you dont know about the evo2 then its a 12volt with revvy.thanks

[DasBaldDog]

The gun itself will be about 3.5 pounds. The Evo will be about .5 pounds or so....

Did you mean co2 or nitro on the tank?

[stickypinecone3]

its a 68 ci carbon fiber Co2 tank

[stickypinecone3]

also the gun has max flo on it

[DasBaldDog]

Okay...

Loaded with paint and air, you are looking at or around 6 pounds. Maybe about 6.3 or 6.4 by my guess.

[stickypinecone3]

thanks.you think that is too heavy? would a 12v xboard revvy be less than the evo2?thanks

[DasBaldDog]

They're the same weight, or really close.

As for too heavy... Depends on how much you weigh and how much muscle you have. Most people just need to get used to the weight.

Really though, I would not recommend a 2k2 Shocker to a front man unless you had some really good arm muscles.

[stickypinecone3]

ok well i just got it,
it is freakin awesome as anything I've ever had or tried or anything, but i need to know about it. things like solenoid and how to change the modes and even how to change the velocity with the regulator is confusing me. I'm a real newb with the shocker so you gotta help me out here and not laugh at me. lol.even though i think its funny as crap that i can't figure out for sure how to change the freakin velocity. so can you tell me most all the basic things about the shocker including how to change the velocity and how to change the modes.like where is the circuit board located in the freakin gun. its so much different than what I'm used to.But i still love it, i just need some help.thanks!!

[stickypinecone3]

alright then, forget that question. i think that i might get a 12volt with xboard. i have vertical feed on my shocker so how am i supposed to install air assist? also how do i install the intellifeed? should i get the intellifeed?thanks

[CloudStrife5671]

I'm pretty sure (i don't own one yet, but i'm looking into one) that you turn the little knob on your max flo to regulate the input pressure, which changes velocity. Not sure which way is which though. Correct me if i'm wrong.

[shok]

Hi, Im curious, are 99 s/f shockers allowed at tournaments (since they can go full auto) How, if possible, can I lock it in semi auto only mode?

Also, would i get more shots with a delrin bolt upgrade?

[Okay_bliss]

Yes the s/f is allowed at tournys, alll you have to do is buy the tourny lock. it's a small metal cover that makes it imposible to switch


i use mine all the time

[FastFlash]

Question:
2003 Rat/Nasty Impulse or 2003 Shocker?

[dillboy_2001]

i would say it matters on the price and what you get with it etc..

[FastFlash]

Considering a stock RAT impulse vs. a stock 2003 shocker.

[Paintball HoBo]

I was thinking about getting a shocker 4 x 4 and i was looking at the pic on actionvillage just about everyday and i realized something when i went to go look at the reviews on this site… The picture of the shocker 4 x 4 on actionviallage and the picture of it on pbreview is completely different. The one on actionviallge looks more like the 2002 shocker with out the verticle feed. So I called up actionvillage and they said that the picture is what you get and that that is what smart parts is giving them as the shocker 4 x 4. Im really confused now… I am looking for a gun in the price range of 350-400. I would like to get the so called Shocker 4 x 4 from actionvillage but everything is screwed up now. I am hopefully going to my frist speed-ball tourney this weekend and hopefully renting a 2002 impulse there with my bro and a friend who just got an Angel speed last Saturday. Might get my ***** handed to me but its worth a shot. Friend tells me a guy bought a brand new timmy and didn't know how to turn it on so he sat out for a game and read the manual in his car but it might be all a lie but its a good story so…

Can anyone figure out this picture mistery… maybe theres some verson history behind it please tell me.
anyway feel free to IM me ill be on most of the time~ Cavewarrior :confused:

[Bushmaster2k2]

How much are the Shocker Solenoids for a 2001 shocker?

[dillboy_2001]

paintball halo some times on the reviews they use older pic ecspecialy if like the shocker the 4x4 has so many different models like i have a 2k 4x4 and it looks totaly different from any of the newer ones so it might just be an old pic and if u are interested in buying mine aim me some time ill sell it cheap my aim is heavychevy4wheel

[nikxii]

I have an 03 shocker and would like to know what i mods are out for it already? what would be the most benificial mod to do first? Also I have seen some 03's with the vert. and horz. maxflows. does this really do anything more or different that one maxflow wouldnt do? once the pressure from the tank is regulated why would you need to regulate it once again before it goes into the gun?

[PeZmasta]

Im not sure how to post a new thread, so this is almost as good. I am thinking of buying an 03 light blue shocker from a person I know. I do not have close contact, so I need some answers :D .

#1. How can you determine that a shocker has vision eye or not? Any specific markings/ parts visible.

#2. The shocker has a maf-flo reg. Do you have to use a max-flo tank w/ the reg., or can I just use my 68 ci. 3000 psi. pure energy tank that I use for my current gun?

[the Ydna]

You will have to take out the eye cover and physically verify that there is the eye in there, there is no external way of determining whether or not it has Vision. The other thing you can do is turn it on, then push the button once more, and pull the trigger a few times. If it chirps and the solenoid dosen't clock then it has Vision installed.

Yes you can use your tank with the Flo.

[Canadia_PBaller]

What matinence do you have to do on the 03 Shocker? How often? Etc.....

[the Ydna]

We all suggest you clean and re-grease the firing assembly o-rings before every use (or after every use, but both is not necessary). link (http://www.angelfire.com/mech/zds/skr03/maintenance.html)

You should clean the regulator before or after each day of play, no exceptions. If you let it get dirty your game will suffer. link (http://www.angelfire.com/mech/zds/articles/tech/maxflomain/index.html)

Soleniod maintenance should be done every few months or 20,000 presurized shots. link (http://www.angelfire.com/mech/zds/skr03/solenoidmain.html)

[Canadia_PBaller]

Ok, thanks!

[timmymaster]

not sure if it was asked but is the velocity on the 2003 shockers controlled by the reg? It doesn't say in the manual. Oh and what is a recommended tank size for a stock 2003 vision shocker?

P.S. Just got the shocker today, now a proud owner of a 2003 vision shocker

[the Ydna]

Yep, velocity controlled by input pressure.

As for tank size, depends on how many shots you want. You can expect 800-1000 from a 68/4500, or upwards of 1400 if you get an aftermarket bolt kit (actual numbers vary somewhat depending on the bolt).

[Ghetto Snowman]

hey im about to pick up a new 03 shocker and i had a few questions -

i have a 45/45 tank.....how many shots can i expect from it using the stock bolt (i plan to get the evolve bolt kit though)

i currently have an egg, will that feed fast enough for a non vision shocker? (i play front)


thanks for your time
GSM

[the Ydna]

You can expect the same as tyou'd get with a 68/3000 with the stock bolt, approximately 550 shots. With the Evolve kit you will probably see upwards of 1000 shots.

Your egg will probably suffice, but you sholt try to keep your Shocker's recharge setting down to help against chops.

[timmymaster]

umm I'm confused as to where to use the allen wrench to change velocity, is it the big allen hole on the bottom (base) of the reg? Or the small one near the bottom? or the small one near the top? and what does the dwell do?

[the Ydna]

To adjust the velocity, you increase or decrease the input pressure on the regulator.
To do this, first you must loosen the small set screw near the bottom, then adjust the larger screw accessable through the bottom of the reg.
The set screw toward the top is used to disassemble the regulator, which is something that you should do (so you can clean it). To learn to clean the reg, check my guide: link (http://www.angelfire.com/mech/zds/articles/tech/maxflomain/vertreg_skr03.html)

Dwell is the amount of time the soleniod remains open, which is the amount of time air pressure will be released to fire the paintball. For information on how to set the dwell on a Shocker 03, check my website: link (http://www.angelfire.com/mech/zds/skr03/dwellrof.html)

[timmymaster]

oh now I get it. Thanks Ynda, just one question, the dwell affects the rate of fire right? what happens if I put it all the way down?

[the Ydna]

Dwell does theoretically affect the ROF however in all practicality it mind as well not. if you want to adjust the ROF then you should set your recharge settings instead.

But yeah, lower the dwell/recharge rate, the faster the gun shoots.

[Skangar]

so do you need to buy a moxflow or another reg when purchasing lets say a non vision 03 shocker? or will it be able to adjust an 850psi/high pressure output tank down to operating pressure stock? thanks

[paint eater_187]

with the stock reg, you won't have any probs. just turn on the asa slowly and the reg will be fine. i have a 850 preset and have had no problems with it. just follow the instrutions the manule gives you and you'll be fine.

[cali141]

What advantages does a 2k3 non-vision shocker have over a vision imp with a blade trigger?

Also, ive heard lots of bad stuff about shockers not being very reliable. Is this true?

[Bigshot]

What bolt will get me the most shots out of a 68/3000 or any tank?

[greenshoes3]

the white bolt

[MrJacks]

Im gonna get a shocker and i found an 04 shocker with eyes for $725 and then i found a 03 shocker with eyes for $825 do you think it is just the stores price or is there a $100 difference between them.

[MrJacks]

i got it situated out ty though

[tiptonmustang24]

hey.....i have a shocker....and i was wonderin how to change the trigger.....

[tiptonmustang24]

i really need help................its not even mine its my friends......need help asap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[knuckhead09]

When you say "change", do you mean adjust or switch triggers?

[starsky]

i donno if i should get a halo b or revy with x-board or evo II. and what tank should i get PLEASE HELP i need to find this out to see how much money i have to get thanks.......

p.s. i play mid and donno if i need vision?? probably want it to play competition but i donno?????

[smores]

look in your thread i answered this exact question

[starsky]

i kno they said to post it here...............i figured i'd get more replies

[smores]

Q: When taking off the grip frame what screws should I remove?

A: Take out the two base screws that are attaching it to the body, and also the TOP GRIP FRAME SCREWS. If you fail to remove the top grip frame screws you can chip your solenoid board rendering your gun useless.(I know from experience;) )

[the Ydna]

Update: most shockers 9000+ now come with the redesigned horizontal board which prevents damage to the board from grip screws. Nerves too.

[angel4paint11]

hi i would like a unbiased reply pls ok how fast is a shocker compaired to like timmys , angels , dm4's and mabe cyborgs thanks

[jedunnigan]

Well Vision mode is capped at 24 bps
Non vision is capped at 18 bps

But if you get a new board then it can go as fast as you can shoot (up to 40.5 cps)

[angel4paint11]

so with that dynasty board itll shoot faster than other high end markers or is there a faster gun out there

[the Ydna]

Well it's not a question about how fast the gun can possibly cycle, since there is no way to fire that fast without using a fullauto fire mode, and even then no hopper could load it.

[toothpastedog]

where can i find the old manual for a shocker 4x4/sport?

[the Ydna]

Don't bother with it. Use my site instead.

[ltgir]

i have had a tippmann A5 and i can take it apart and reassemble it without the manual i have read the shocker manual about 4 to 5 times, and i understand it. I would have my local pro shop clean the noid every 10,000 shots. I know how to use the dwell and that i should get a new bolt. But i still don't know if im shocker material maybe i am???:confused:

please help:dunce2:

[jedunnigan]

Originally posted by toothpastedog
where can i find the old manual for a shocker 4x4/sport?

i can take pictures of one for you.....

[killzone72]

are shockers duriable and dont break if you jump around with them

[yogibm1]

Originally posted by the Ydna
Well it's not a question about how fast the gun can possibly cycle, since there is no way to fire that fast without using a fullauto fire mode, and even then no hopper could load it.

I just bought a shocker tremour series and I want to make it a full-auto. With the option to do burst shots. Can I do that, is there anything that I can buy to make this happen.

[the Ydna]

You will need to get a morlock board installed in the gun for that.

[yogibm1]

Originally posted by the Ydna
You will need to get a morlock board installed in the gun for that.

where would i find one? And how would I put it in?

Thanks

:)

[the Ydna]

You would have to send it in for the install...the board isn't drop-in by far

[yogibm1]

Originally posted by the Ydna
You would have to send it in for the install...the board isn't drop-in by far

do you know how much they cost

[the Ydna]

go here: http://www.zdspb.com/commerce/predatorcustom.html

The predator board doesn't have programmable burst so if you really want that just say so (and you'll get a regular morlock instead, which does have burst).

[puckscantpassme]

What about the nerve vission board, is that good. I shot a shocker in a store with that, as soon as I hit 6bps it ramped up to 15. Anyway is it any good. Also where would you recomend someone to buy a shocker from.

[shortyisdabomb]

Im completly new to shockers. My question is what is the difference between an 03 shocker and an 03 shocker SFT? I found a normal 03 shocker for 585 new is it worth buying?

[eggoncocker]

i am new to shocker's i was looking for a 03 or 04 shocker a 03 sft may be but they are 699.00 for a non-vision on the internet and i cant find any cheaper with non-vision. i was wondering if anyone had one if they would be willing to trade for a black 04 wgp cocker with a e2, stock parts, cp 14 inch barrel .689 and a the stock barrel and a Tippmann A-5 just for a shocker. i really want one bad!
or if you know where to find one for cheap
pleaes write me back

[shortyisdabomb]

http://www.pbn5.com/paintball/paintball.mvc?p=1008023
heres one for 565

[eggoncocker]

thanx man that web site was a big hit thanx alot man

[ledzep644]

I have 1600 bucks and im goin to get either a shocker or a nerve and a whole bunch of other stuff but if i get the shocker after i get everything i need i will only have 100 left for paint and if i get the nerve and everything i need i will have 400left for paint. which should i go with? actually just tell me wuts better about a shocker than a nerve because as far as i can see they are the same and the nerve has a freak. Please keep in mind that either way i will be getting a virtue board so im not really worried about speed as much as how easy is it to pull a trigger on a nerve and how accurate are each?
Thanks
zack

[Bowser45]

Here is the link to my board comparison thread:
http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3429575&posted=1#post3429575

[cole4544]

my question, do shocker and ion have the same barrel threads?

[Uziel Gal]

Depends on the type of Shocker.

Classic, closed bolt Shockers have a Shocker specific thread. It's relatively close to an Autococker thread in length and pitch, but not the same (and hence, not interchangeable). Very different to the Impulse thread used on Impulses, Ions and Nerve's.

The stock SFT Shocker uses the same thread as the Classic Shocker.

The newer NXT Shocker, in stock form, DOES use the Impulse thread.

Some Private Label SFT and NXT Shockers have different threads to the stock models, with the Autococker thread being common to a number of the PL Shockers.

[d4pp3r]

how much should you spend on a shocker roughly to get a decent one

and is there any recommendations