closed or open???

[obey]

whats the diffrence between closed and open bolt??? i have a idea but not so sure if its right... What in ur opinions is better, or higher quility??? thxs

[MINDofSIN]

At rest, one is open while the other is closed.

No other difference.

[taso_winforce]

basically in open bolt the bolt when sitting is behind the feed tube. you fire the gun the bolt moves forward and the ball is shot and the bolt is then reset. in closed bolt the bolt is over the feed table. the trigger is pulled and the bolt moves backword and the ball is shot. they are the same. I prefer open bolt so that i don't have to match paint to barrel but its all preference.
I think this will be easier for you to understand if you see diagrams.

closed bolt- http://www.pbreview.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=207044

open bolt- http://www.pbreview.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=254707

[AK47]

closed-the bolt is forward, when the ball is shot the bolt doesn't move.

open-bolt is back, when shot hte ball is pushed forward when shot. So infact the ball is moving before it gets hit with air

[PaintballerX]

Closed is more accurate and often shoots farther.

[amzng_spyderman]

Originally posted by PaintballerX
Closed is more accurate and often shoots farther.
that's only a myth. it has not been proven.

[Blacksheep]

Closed bolt, bolt-action is more accurate for rifles, maybe even gets more range.

However, this is paintball. It's all the same, doesn't matter, heck, the Matrix doesn't even use a bolt in the conventional sense.

[mpt shane]

Neither did the Nova or Supernova. But, then again, they sucked.

Closed bolts are no more or less accurate and get no better or worse range.

[FalloutMan]

Originally posted by AK47
open-bolt is back, when shot hte ball is pushed forward when shot. So infact the ball is moving before it gets hit with air

not really the bolt stops when the valve opens and by then the ball has stoped in position and if you have a correct paint to barrel match like any gun should have it wouldnt move at all anyway just like it wouldnt in a cocker

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by FalloutMan


not really the bolt stops when the valve opens and by then the ball has stoped in position and if you have a correct paint to barrel match like any gun should have it wouldnt move at all anyway just like it wouldnt in a cocker

The ball doesn't stop when the bolt stops. Get a spyder, take the barrel off, load a ball in, cock it, pull the trigger, notice how the ball will shoot out. Because it already has a force applied to it.

[Blacksheep]

As stated, for rifles. I said that to show where some of the misconception may have come from.

[obey]

hey thx taso_windforce for that diagram that helped me the most to figur it out thx

[FalloutMan]

Originally posted by cocker kid 2k2
The ball doesn't stop when the bolt stops. Get a spyder, take the barrel off, load a ball in, cock it, pull the trigger, notice how the ball will shoot out. Because it already has a force applied to it.


well i wasnt really refering to spyders and note it wont with a barrel on thats what im refering to. the same thing would happen with a cocker too just not as far.


with a barrel when the bolt stops the ball will stop because of the barrel gripping on the sides

[PaintballerX]

BTW, I was joking about the accuracy/distance thing.

rawr

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by FalloutMan



well i wasnt really refering to spyders and note it wont with a barrel on thats what im refering to. the same thing would happen with a cocker too just not as far.


with a barrel when the bolt stops the ball will stop because of the barrel gripping on the sides

If it has a barrel on it and you do that, it'll get caught in the barrel.

[Mutated Goose]

Originally posted by PaintballerX
BTW, I was joking about the accuracy/distance thing.

rawr

Yeah I thought you were still sane.:)

[FalloutMan]

Originally posted by cocker kid 2k2
If it has a barrel on it and you do that, it'll get caught in the barrel.


that was the point i was trying to make when people say open bolt shoots the ball while its still moving it really isnt :\ (besides when shooting a cocker fast its practically the samething)

[HP_Lovecraft]

So to summarize:

Closed-bolt: More expensive, more parts, more maintenence, same accuracy and range, fires slower.

Open-bolt: Less expensive, fewer parts, less maintenence, same accuracy/range, fires faster.

I like closed-bolts. Its good to have a choice, but pretty much everyone is shooting open-bolts now since they have the advantage.

Nick

[obey]

what about angels and they are one of the fastest markers arnt they?

[FallNAngel]

Originally posted by HP_Lovecraft
So to summarize:

Closed-bolt: More expensive, more parts, more maintenence, same accuracy and range, fires slower.

Open-bolt: Less expensive, fewer parts, less maintenence, same accuracy/range, fires faster.

Ok, now let's look at the truth

Closed-bolt markers are not more expensive, do not require more maintenence and have slightly less firing speed (like it'll really matter :rolleyes:)

[taso_winforce]

Originally posted by obey
what about angels and they are one of the fastest markers arnt they? if i understand correctly you are trying to say angels are closed bolt but they arent. They are open bolt markers.

[Woods Sniper]

Not all closed bolt markers are slower. Look at the E-Bladed cocker and Evil Omen. They shoot pretty fast, from my experiance, at least.

[HP_Lovecraft]

Not all closed bolt markers are slower. Look at the E-Bladed cocker and Evil Omen. They shoot pretty fast, from my experiance, at least.

Those are good examples.
All closed-bolt markers take more "steps" to fire a ball, then an open-bolt gun. This is because the hammer and bolt move after each other, instead of the same time.

So, open-bolt guns are always theoretically faster then closed-bolt.
The E-Blade still has extra steps, but is so carefully timed, that all waste is removed. The result is that it can fire faster then a human can pull the trigger, which is good enough.
The OMEN will never cycle as fast as an open-bolt blowback either, but again, the cycle is timed well that it still manages to operate fast enough.

So, its all a moot point, as long as the gun does what you want it to do.

nic

[Inverse]

hey i just think its fun to play with an angels bolt :D :laugh: if youve seen it ull know what im talkin about, the breech and bolt are very fun for children with short attention spans :D