ESP Frame?

[ThaFiend]

hey
I am currently using a TL+ with a 14" boomstick, TASO turbo valve, quick strip venturi bolt and a boo-yaah elcd frame and I have a question...........my friend wants to buy my boo-yaah for almost as much as I bought it for so I figure I can sell it to him and then buy an ESP frame for myself, because I'm not completely satisfied with the boo-yaah. but before I do this I was wondering if the ESP frame is any better than a boo-yaah and how much they usually cost online cause they don't have the ESP frames at the paintball shop nearest to me. thanks for any help.

[macdruen]

esp frame is not available till sept.

[ThaFiend]

yeah I just found that out I guess that's why they aren't carrying them at my local shop:rolleyes:

[jdw_56]

yep thats exactly right...think about getting a hyperframe.

[Codestar20]

Yeah, you could get a Hyperframe. They cost $250-$300 though. I heard that Hyperframes are better quality than the ELCD. You could sell your ELCD and save up some money for the Hyperframe or else wait until the ESP comes out.

[big ugly spyder]

go with the hyper frame its tried and tru personally like the fell and the optionshyper mode is just mean and www.bbtpaintball.com look under specials they r 239 not a bad price

[Silent Knight]

I myself dont' care for the Boo-yah, trigger frame. It has a weird feel to it, it's wide, and the trigger is bulky. works good, but it has a weird feel to it.

[Hsuve]

Pfff! Why would he get a 'Cocker? What he has right now is better than a stock 'Cocker, and now you're telling him to sell it to get something worse...

[AllOleander]

Wait for the ESP..from my understanidng..it is gonna be semi only but electropneutic...(which is what i woudl want for my spyder!! like a matrix feel to it..ahhh) plus i think it will only be 100-150$..and it will be really sweet!

it wont have an elcd to it will it? there will be no need if its semi only

[Hsuve]

I don't think it's going to be electro pneumatic... Afterall, the ESP is only a trigger frame...

[ThaFiend]

I think it actually might have an lcd to it cause it probably has different rates of fire(bps)............I wonder how fast it shoots:confused:

[JIVEN]

there are 2 versions, one has an lcd one doesnt(im pretty sure:| )
I might get one for christmas or next time i run into some money

[CARBON]

you can go to kingmans website 2 view it, but It isnt available yet. I ordered my boo-yaah because A few of my friends had them. They dont chop balls or anything, their great. And the trigger pull is awesome.
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[Hsuve]

Originally posted by unknown


well i could go into why a cocker isn't worse than a spyder.. but i wont. i was simply making a suggestion out of my experience, or a vert feed cocker if he got enough money, thats what i would do.
I never said a 'Cocker is worse than a Spyder in general, I'm just saying that his Spyder is better than a stock 'Cocker. With the money he'd get from selling, that, more than likely, is all he could afford, as Spyder resale values are really poor. I would rather take a stock 'Cocker over his Spyder, if both were free, however, that's just for my own crappy reasons. :) Performance wise, I can bet that his Spyder will outperform a stock 'Cocker...

[Hsuve]

Originally posted by unknown
hmm, yea i can see that, but if you sell the elcd and gun seperately you might get near 400, and you gotta admit a stock vert feed is better.. although i myself love the mouse-click elcd trigger, i love cockers. or a nice used one, you can get semi-tricked for that price. anyyywayy you could also just play on and save up, and get a really nice STO when you got enough :). actually no, thats a bad idea. :pissed: my bad :pissed: you should try a cocker first :D

and re-reading that, it made near to 0 sense, but you might just pick up my point.
No, I don't have to admit a stock vertical feed 'Cocker is better, simply because it isn't. Tell me, how is a stock vertical feed 'Cocker better than the Spyder setup that ThaFiend is using? Who should try a 'Cocker first? If you're talking to me, I've been there, and done that. Many times too. :D

[Hsuve]

Originally posted by unknown
guess you dont hafta, but you should, face it, a spyder IS a spyder no matter what you do to it, its ROF is limited. a vert feed cocker w/ revvy will go as fast as your finger can.. and i was talkin to thefiend about tryin a cocker.
A Spyder being a Spyder no matter what is the crappiest arguement I've gotten in some time... What's a 'Cocker gonna be after a while? A 'Mag? And if an Angel breaks down, does it turn into a Talon? If an Impulse is upgraded a lot, does it become a Shocker? Same answer to all those questions, no. ROF limited? Only limited by how fast the shooter's finger is. Warpig has done testing that has proved that stacked tube blowbacks can cycle at 30+BPS. I don't know where the article is, but I've heard from many that the article exists... Now I doubt anybody can shoot at 30BPS, but having the possibility of doing so, that means that the ROF is limited by the shooter. And face this: as long as a 'Cocker remains mechanical, it will shortstroke if you don't pull the trigger correctly.

[big ugly spyder]

dude my bro has a tricked '99 'cocker and put 2000 into it :D and let me tell u with a boo-yaah on a stock shutter which adds up to less than his cocker and he shot 10 to 11 bps, trust me i was laced by it, and my bro has a roller sear and everything, trigger jobs you name it and he couldnt outshoot him, and beside that the gunshoots as fast as the player can pull the trigger so dont go saying that u cant pull the trigger as fast as a cocker for less money.:pissed:

[pr0kch0p]

10 bps with a regular cocker trigger? i highly doubt it. you'd be shortstroking in no time.

[ThaFiend]

so back on the subject of the SPYDER ESP FRAME, I'm starting to wonder what the difference is between the 2 models, classic and deluxe. I know that the classic doesn't have an LCD screen where as the Deluxe does, but what are some of the other differences if you know of any?

[AllOleander]

If you get the trigger how you want it..and get used to teh trigger...its hard to shortstoke..enless you are deliberatly (sry on sp..its late) trying to do so :)

[big ugly spyder]

actually u can with getting plenty of new thing constantly for 2 years he can put that much so dont tell me what he has done cuz he has bought many new regs and chrome parts and then getting new ones iot adds up and he still has the body(mostly from experimenting with mods)

[unknown]

ok ok im ending myself here.. this isn't much of an argument, its just insistent spamming, im deleting all the other posts except for this one, where i will say one thing...
the ESP frame looks sweet. go for it.


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[Lemonjello]

I think that you should pay the extra money and get the delux one. I am sure that you will want it, if you buy the regular one, it may dissipoint you, but i would try thier top of the line, then IF that dissipoints you, send it back and get a hyper frame. The Boo-Yaah company is currently out of business, and though they may or may not bee back soon, they are not filling any warentees now, so if any thing goes wrong, you are sol... Though i wonder why Boo-Yaah went out of business... everyone has one! lol. But spend the little extra money for Kingmans top of the line, You will proably be glad that you did.

[VeNoM]

the ESP looks like it would be more like the hyper. the hyper frame kicks mass butt! i got to try one at the pan am tourney and the trigger is freakin sweeet, 100000 times better than boo yah. i dont like the boo yah trigger its too stiff. . . and its just hard and i dunno its just not comfortable to rip on, the hyper on the other soft short and light, it rules!

[big ugly spyder]

well we all know hyper just owns all frames plain and simple :D and knowing kingman they will probably start selling classic for 250 and deluxe for 300, and where do they get the idea to call it classic i mean its not like theyhav made em for 5 years:confused: and obviously will be made by the 3 year old korean electricians;) so we know it will be quality. but as i stated hyper owns all maybe itll be better than boo yaah but not hyper.

[BRYCEBOY18]

I was thinking the same thing. Then this popped in my head, if Kingman designed the esp frame mostly spyders (maybe I'm not sure) wouldn't it probably work better on spyders than any other electro frame since they are designed by the same company.

just a thought.

[big ugly spyder]

well all the other companies also had to design each one for a specific gun so really it is the same like centerflag couldnt just slap an 'mag grip on a spyder and say it would work they had to design everyone with the same concept differently tho for each gun