Dark Horizon Titanium Hammer

[TheItalianone01]

Hey I just ordered my Dark Horizon Titanium Hammer. Anoyne one already ahve one? Let me know how it is working.

[willpill]

read this

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112681

[pballer2k2]

no way i would pay 60 bucks for a new hammer! plus, that thread makes me wonder if the new hammer has any advantages. i seriosly doubt, no i dont believe any of the claims of better accuracy ect..that dude from holland is a moron, more distance at the same velocityHAAHAHAHAH!! the new hammer is BS.

[The Kampfer]

Meph said No. You can count on him.

[ptbfighter01]

man i would never pay that much..haha but i guess thats just you :crazy:

[The Kampfer]

http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/2027/

[adrenalinejunky]

Period of
Product Use: Only tested
Strengths: None that come to mind

Weaknesses: Requires new internals
Wears faster than original
Doesn't work as advirtised
[quote]

it doesn't require new internals, it will workwith the ones there, though it will work better with an RVA, and or reg.

titanium is just as strong as SS(what the stock hammer is made of) if this guys only tested how does he know it wears so much faster?

[quote]
Review: Okay, you might be able to get this to work, but you'll need to consider the following:
1. You'll have to strengthen your rear drive spring b/c a lighter hammer is going to gain less momentum and therefore not punch open the valve w/ enough force.
2. You'll need to lighten the valve spring so the lighter hammer will still let in enough air.
3. You'll need an RVA for fine tuning
4. You'll need a secondary reg to make sure the pressure is right
....and having all of this won't guarantee it will work.


1) titianuim is more or less half the weight of steel, so for easy calculation, we'll call it exactly half.

a hammer weighing half as much will gain speed at 2 times the rate of the other, and since it weighs half as much, 2 times the speed means the exact same amount of momentum.

2) look above^

3) i would recomend an RVA, but its not neccesary, the stock adjustment dohicky will work too, though it will not be as efficient, the same is true with the stock hammer.

4) i'm not even sure how he came up with that.... will the reg help? sure, will it have anymore effect than it would with the stock hammer? no.


When you do this, your messing w/ a hammer that Tippmann could have made any weight, bigger, smaller, whatever... but they settled on the the hammer that is in the A-5. They did so for a reason: it works. Don't mess w/ it. You don't know better than Tippmann. If you want to have fun and tinker, fine. But keep your old stuff--99% chance you'll be tossing this rear bolt after you try it. I've talked to at least 5 people who have purchased this bolt (do a search on www.a5ownersgroup.com and the www.tippmann.com forums for examples) an none of them ended up actually using it.


everyone in the pbnation thread would seem to disagree.

It's a nice idea, but not one that translates into a working product.

Conclusion: Don't waste your money on this or any other aftermarket internals. If this thing were the shiznet that it claims to be, than Tippmann would sell it as an upgrade or put in IN the marker to begin with. All it does is create problems


not neccesarily, notice, how when going from the 98 to the a-5, guns that both use teh cvx vavle, they decided to make teh a-5 hammer lighter, if a lighter hammer was not benificial, why would they put extra work into making the a-5's hammer lighter? why would they not put it in as a stock part? to keep costs down, titanuim is much more expensive than SS.

[E r y k]

first thing that should come to mind is that titanium is lighter... and it will be harder for the blowback gases/ springs to blow it back...

[The Kampfer]

It isn't wise to replace stock internal with after-market parts on a Tippmann.

Or at least call Tippmann before you do that.

[Relentless]

if tippmann wanted to make the striker lighter, they would of.....

seems like a waste of 60$ :eyes:

[Turambar]

I personally think it is a waste of money. Why pay $60 to upgrade a part that doesn't need to be upgraded in the first place?

[willpill]

man.. for like 20 i would get it.

if they didnt say

" improve accuracy... improve range..."

how? with a new hammer?




:finger: dont go there girlfriend!:kiss:

[nitemare]

How about combining an LP kit with one of these hammers?:crazy:

[The Kampfer]

I guess you want to waste the $60 so bad...
Best way to find out is call Tippmann, and they will tell you:

No...

:finger: do it.

[willpill]

Originally posted by nitemare
How about combining an LP kit with one of these hammers?:crazy:


no need. they have there own

[TheItalianone01]

Hey I just got my hammer. Who ever said that you would need to replace all the internals is an idiot. He abveosly hasb not even used the hammer. I just got it today and I shot a like 50 shots and it worked great. A lot better than the stock. It did not weigh as much, less blowback, and a smoother shot.

[willpill]

wow.. but is it really worth the 60 bucks?

how bout the springs? with the velocity with the lighter hammer?

[TheItalianone01]

Its probably not worth the 60 bucks but I think it is still a good upgrade. You do not have to replace anythign on your gun.

[snaretan]

Tippmann made the 98 to be cheap. Notice the plastic internals. Yes, they work just fine being plastic, but plastic is cheaper than metal. SS is cheaper than Titanium. The reason Tippmann hasn't put a Titanium hammer in the M98 is because of cost. They'd have to up the price another $40.

ERYK...
first thing that should come to mind is that titanium is lighter... and it will be harder for the blowback gases/ springs to blow it back...

If it's lighter, wouldn't it be easier to blow back? Seems to me that lighter things take less pressure to push. If you are refering to the main spring being tighter to push the lighter object, well, once again, as adrenalinejunky explained, it won't matter.


I'm not saying that you should go and get this upgrade. In fact, I wouldn't until the price came down to about $20. However, it will lighten your oh so heavy marker. As for the kick your marker makes, well, if the hammer is moving faster, then just as much force hits the valve, the kick will stay the same. (100lbs at 100 miles an hour has the same force as 200lbs at 50 mile per hour)

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I love you 98c, but I'm not going to overlook that there are places for improvment, one would be making it lighter (this is kinda a wish for all markers). Second would be easier to field strip. Third would be it should come with an RVA, not the FVA since FVA basicly dams up the airflow it only makes the marker inefficent. Fourth would be to cover the hammer to keep gunk from getting in there. Fifth, and probably the most obvious one would be coming with a good stock barrel (even though it would still be replaced). Everyone knows that there are aftermarket parts available to do all of these things, however to include them into the design would push the cost of the marker up and thus, they are left out.

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Tan

[adrenalinejunky]

yeah what he said.(which is basically what i said)

be much easier if people payed attention the first time around... wouldn't it?

[The Kampfer]

I still don't see anything wrong with the stock hammer. :confused:

[willpill]

ya.. if you like alittle kick for the fun of it.

the ti hammer is like. the venturi bolt . look at it that way.

venturi is good for some. bad for most. waste of money
ti hammer. good for some. waste of moeny

[snaretan]

Originally posted by adrenalinejunky
yeah what he said.(which is basically what i said)

be much easier if people payed attention the first time around... wouldn't it?

I used to teach. I found that I usually had to say things 3 times, in different ways for it to click in with everyone. Usually once would be by explaining, once by showing, and then by explaining again. It would get frustrating, but it's the process.

Tan

[adrenalinejunky]

Originally posted by willpill
ya.. if you like alittle kick for the fun of it.

the ti hammer is like. the venturi bolt . look at it that way.

venturi is good for some. bad for most. waste of money
ti hammer. good for some. waste of moeny

nah, the venturi si completely and uterly 100% useless, the hammer is just alot to pay for what you get.

I used to teach. I found that I usually had to say things 3 times, in different ways for it to click in with everyone. Usually once would be by explaining, once by showing, and then by explaining again. It would get frustrating, but it's the process.

Tan

yeah...

just curios, what did ya teach?

[snaretan]

Originally posted by adrenalinejunky


nah, the venturi si completely and uterly 100% useless, the hammer is just alot to pay for what you get.



yeah...

just curios, what did ya teach?

Drumline/MarchingBand/JazzBand. I was right out of highschool as a new one was built. My band director went to the new school and since I was going to community college there, I followed him and took care of the Drumline, and then helped out in other places when he needed me. During this time, I also had my own private students, usually between 6-10.

Tan