Working out the final quirks...

[Point]

After a sizeable thread, I came out with these results for a marker setup, already having the gun and some parts, and a $500 canadian budget:

- Tippman 98c
- Dye 14" Ultralite Barrel
- Bullet Style Drop forward
- 16oz. tank w/9oz. backup tank
- Empire Re-Loader
- Tippman Vertical Adapter
- Palmers Male Regulator
- Antisyphoning
- Double Trigger (The Toxic Performance one)
- Full Boar Shadow Rear Cocking Knob

Upgrades at a later date:
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- Response Trigger
- Pro Feed
- Psycho Ballistics Power Tube/Front Bolt

I just wanna know if thats the way I should go before I drop all the money I have. If you see any flaws in that setup or think I should add something, let me know.

Thx!

-B.

:dunce:

[willpill]

eh.. i was tired. but ya its good.

something you dont need really. but your pref.

[-=ReD-hAzE=-]

full bore isn't needed...imo that is...

maybe some sticky grips for comfort...
and a double trigger instead...

also... get a nice mask...

[Bradster]

if u wanna play in tournies, get the ebolt instead, but that will drain your money and hard

[Relentless]

Originally posted by -=ReD-hAzE=-
full bore isn't needed...imo that is...

maybe some sticky grips for comfort...
and a double trigger instead...

also... get a nice mask...

:agree:

but he did mention a double trig...

but sounds good, Point :D

[E r y k]

500 bucks... dont buy upgrades all at once... whats the point... u wont be able to enjoy each of them.

if you gunna blow 500 at once, save up some more and get a better gun.

[snaretan]

Originally posted by Point
After a sizeable thread, I came out with these results for a marker setup, already having the gun and some parts, and a $500 canadian budget:

- Tippman 98c
- Dye 14" Ultralite Barrel
- Bullet Style Drop forward
- 16oz. tank w/9oz. backup tank
- Empire Re-Loader
- Tippman Vertical Adapter
- Palmers Male Regulator
- Antisyphoning
- Double Trigger (The Toxic Performance one)
- Full Boar Shadow Rear Cocking Knob

Upgrades at a later date:
--------------------------
- Response Trigger
- Pro Feed
- Psycho Ballistics Power Tube/Front Bolt

I just wanna know if thats the way I should go before I drop all the money I have. If you see any flaws in that setup or think I should add something, let me know.

Thx!

-B.

:dunce:

Assuming you currently don't have a marker (I checked your profile and you seem to like throwing paint), maybe you shouldn't jump in that deeply. I'd just get 98c, new barrel, CO2 with anti siphon, and a GREAT mask.

Just curious, why do you want a backup 9oz? I understand if you are playing outlaw, that you'd want an extra tank... but why not just get two 16oz? I just think that two different sizes might get a little awkward when you switch sizes. CO2 tanks are relativly cheap, and theres no reason you couldn't have two the same size.

Okay, with all that said. Don't get the other stuff until you feel you actually need it. If you find serious problems with your co2 consistance, get a regulator/vertical adapter. If you really need that more compact feel, get the drop foward. If you really need to shoot faster, get the dbl trigger/electro hopper. If you 1.) hit yourself with your recocking knob or 2.) get shot in that slit, then maybe the full boar might help you out. Honestly, I've never been that blindsided by anyone, however, I'm not saying it couldn't happen. If you feel the need to blow even more money on your marker, get the ebolt or RT. Just remember, you have now spent $120 on a marker, and about double that on other accessories... something there just doesn't seem right to me.

Looking back now, I may have just gotten a really good mask, a good pack, some good gloves, and then, keep my eye on ebay or my local paper for a deal on a used 98c or spyder that has a lot of those upgrades already installed. I feel this way would be cheaper, however, I like knowing I'm the only person that has used my marker. Druing the time I didn't have a marker, I suppose I'd just rent one, or borrow from a friend.

Okay, done spewing

Tan

[TippyBalla]

Um.. you seem to have a good budget why get an Autococker instead, I'm not saying Tippmanns are bad but...you do what ever want, like snaretan said that just doesnt seem right spending 2x in upgrades.

I think if your going to go with the 98 you should get to know the feel and how it shoots before upgrading it(IMO).

[Relentless]

Originally posted by TippyBalla
Um.. you seem to have a good budget why get an Autococker instead, I'm not saying Tippmanns are bad but...you do what ever want, like snaretan said that just doesnt seem right spending 2x in upgrades.

I think if your going to go with the 98 you should get to know the feel and how it shoots before upgrading it(IMO).

err, autococker+use as first time marker= eiither death of autococker, or very pissed of first time marker owner...

better to start simple, then maybe consider a cocker, for what ever reason that might be...

[TippyBalla]

Autocockers are great and reliable, the only downside is the trigger pull(i.e. if you 1/2 pull the trigger and let off, it will shoot 2 balls the next time you pull it)
Plus you dont have to put alot of upgrades in them cuz they come acurate already! All IMO tho...:D

[Relentless]

Originally posted by TippyBalla
Autocockers are great and reliable, the only downside is the trigger pull(i.e. if you 1/2 pull the trigger and let off, it will shoot 2 balls the next time you pull it)
Plus you dont have to put alot of upgrades in them cuz they come acurate already! All IMO tho...:D

if your talking about closed bolt adding accuracy, it doesn't.

heres some proof... http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/paintguns/balistic/closedopen.shtml

there are tons of people that come running to forums saying "BLAH BLAH BLAH IS BROKE! HELP!" about tippmanns ... if newbs can break tippmanns, (im talking about cases where its the users fault because they took apart their marker, etc), then they sure as |-|ell can break an autococker...

Sure, 'cockers are reliable in the hands of a person that knows what they are doing... The complexity of the internals is gargantuan, and thats a fact.


the thing i like about 'cockers is the back block... its fun to watch :D ...

back and forth, back and forth :dizzy:
:biglaugh:

[Point]

But I wanna unleash my wrath of ownage noooooowww...

Kidding. Thats some good info about the upgrades, snaretan. The thing is, I already have the stock marker, a 9oz. co2, a 16 oz. co2 and the dye ultralite barrel. I also recieved a crappy PMI X-Ray with no thermal lenses and 190* view.

I'm selling my computer to my dad so I will be getting a lump sum of $525 cash. It's a one time thing and I've said before after it's spent, I will only have enough for paint and field fees and maybe small upgrades in the future. I guess I could just buy a JT Proshield off this kid I know for $65cdn, sell my crap-mask, maybe some newer Fox gloves, some '03 stickies, and a pack with at 3 or so pods. The timmy horizontal packs look sweet.

I feel that a drop forward would help cuz the 98c is already a long marker, plus over 14" of barrel and 8 or so inches in the back. Because I prefer a smaller, lighter tank, I want the better gas efficiency anyways. Maybe go with the reg and antisyphon setup for now and once I've cleaned out the dirt that gets into the bolt a few times and understand the mechanics a bit better, move up to the shadow bolt. Then later, move up even further to the double trigger and electro hopper. Or... I dunno. How many bps can you get with the stock trigger?

I'll just upgrade as needed I suppose.
I hope the JT Proshield with the thermal lense is good enough. I was pondering some kind of mountain biking or dirtbiking glove because they usually have a bit of flexible plastic armor and a part on the back of the wrist to wipe sweat off your forhead, but I figured something like that could wiped the paint off of a lense shot so you could see. Or you could use your sleeve however, in 35* weather, I don't always play with long sleeved shirts on. What gloves and packs have you guys found work best?

[raptor046387]

You could also get a female Palmer Stabilizer instead of the male. It goes on in place of the Tippman ASA, so you don't need to buy a verticle adapter. You might want to try the tipopman without a drop forward first to see how you like it. good luck

[Bradster]

<sarcasm>will the male and female stabilizers make babies? then u can make a baby stabilizer sale and be a rich man!</sarcasm>

[Goober_AK]

lolol

[snaretan]

Originally posted by Point
But I wanna unleash my wrath of ownage noooooowww...

Kidding. Thats some good info about the upgrades, snaretan. The thing is, I already have the stock marker, a 9oz. co2, a 16 oz. co2 and the dye ultralite barrel. I also recieved a crappy PMI X-Ray with no thermal lenses and 190* view.

I'm selling my computer to my dad so I will be getting a lump sum of $525 cash. It's a one time thing and I've said before after it's spent, I will only have enough for paint and field fees and maybe small upgrades in the future. I guess I could just buy a JT Proshield off this kid I know for $65cdn, sell my crap-mask, maybe some newer Fox gloves, some '03 stickies, and a pack with at 3 or so pods. The timmy horizontal packs look sweet.

I feel that a drop forward would help cuz the 98c is already a long marker, plus over 14" of barrel and 8 or so inches in the back. Because I prefer a smaller, lighter tank, I want the better gas efficiency anyways. Maybe go with the reg and antisyphon setup for now and once I've cleaned out the dirt that gets into the bolt a few times and understand the mechanics a bit better, move up to the shadow bolt. Then later, move up even further to the double trigger and electro hopper. Or... I dunno. How many bps can you get with the stock trigger?

I'll just upgrade as needed I suppose.
I hope the JT Proshield with the thermal lense is good enough. I was pondering some kind of mountain biking or dirtbiking glove because they usually have a bit of flexible plastic armor and a part on the back of the wrist to wipe sweat off your forhead, but I figured something like that could wiped the paint off of a lense shot so you could see. Or you could use your sleeve however, in 35* weather, I don't always play with long sleeved shirts on. What gloves and packs have you guys found work best?

I organized my thoughts for your reading convience... just kidding, it's pretty random:

Mask.... In your case, I'd definetaly get a better mask. I'd go with a proteus or morph/shield. The vision I get out of my morph is amazing. Much better than any other mask I've ever used. I feel I've gotten many hits on people simply because I could see them, and they were foggin (Did I mention I'm in south FL with massive humidity?). Try playing a game with an old, foggable mask, it will suck! Then, switch to a mask with clarity that doesn't fog, it will be day and night. The first few times I played (with rental masks that fogged) I had a horrible time. I could never figure out how people knew where I was when I couldn't see them... Now I know.


Gloves... I've never been hit in the finger, but in the hand, it has never hurt, well it stings no more than any other place. I don't like wearing gloves because they feel bulky. I lose dexterity in my fingers. Personally, the only advantage I see with gloves is that my shinny untanned hands won't stand out as bad. Maybe it might help with gripping, but I've never had a problem with that either.

I don't see your point in wiping paint off of your mask with your gloves. If you are hit in the mask, you should leave the field (you are out, duh) and go clean it with something other than your glove. For the sweat I have a camo bandana/dew-rag thing I wear to absorb sweat, or I use a hat. I'm not saying not to get gloves, its just my personal preference to not have them cause they get in my way.


Pack.... Great investment. I never realized how essential it is until I got a Reds 3+2. I only use the 3 without the 2 elstastic loops but they are there if I need them. I averaged a hopper full every speedball game (meaning I'd run out of paint near the end of the game, if I lasted the full time), Usually, I'd shoot till I was out of paint, and then dry fire and scare newbs, or run the flag, or draw fire. Or get out doing something stupid with plenty of paint. But now, I can actually stay effective through out the whole game. That's a great advantage.


dbl trigger/electro hopper... Yes, I can easily outshoot my stock 98c hopper.... I do it all the time. I doubt I shoot any faster than 8, probably more like 7 or 6. Honestly, I don't care how fast I shoot. 6 balls per second flying at someone will make them duck just as well as 16bps. However, the 16 may intimdate them more, and you have a better chance of hitting due to sheer volume. I guess this comes down to a preference thing as well. If you are playing tourney speedball, Rate of Fire does need to be a bit higher, so maybe it's nessacary. In rec ball situations, as long as you are keeping up with the guns the field rents out, I think you are okay.


Drop Foward... Preference (I like using my tank as a stock). I like the rifle feel and It gives a more stable platform to shoot from. If you want it, go for it, your tippy will still be rather long.


AntiSiphon... If you are using CO2 as either backbottle or bottom lined, get a friggin anti siphon. It is probably the best upgrade under $10 for ANY marker.


Regulator... this is a touchy issue due to the costs of a good regulator. I spent around $100 for my female stabilizer, mounts, and shipping. I installed it myself in under 30 minutes, however, I feel I'm somewhat mechanicly inclined. You may want to get someone else to do this one, especially if you get a male one. So... The problem is, for the cost of your 98c, and a regulator, you are now looking at $230 spent on your marker. There are spyders and piranhas out there TOTALLY decked out for that price. And since you were looking for compact marker, that might be a good way to go. Now, since you said you are in 35* weather, a regualtor will show much better results for you if you can get the rest of your marker down to lower pressure. I could try to explain it here, but it'd be better for a thread in the air systems. Or PM me and I'll try to explain there. But refer to this http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/gasses/co2pv.gif for a good idea.


The biggest conclusion I can come to is stick to your 98c until you find you actually have a reason to do something to it. Otherwise, just save your money so you can go and play.

I'm tired of typing now, hope I helped

Tan