is it possible...

[culkid]

to make a paintball gun like a real gun where it doesnt take any CO2? i dont know alot about guns but is it possible?

[Bradster]

yeah, get a scenario kit and a nitro tank :rolleyes:

[culkid]

^ your telling me that real guns run off nitrogen?

[Bradster]

hey, you are saying NOT using CO2, nitrogen isnt CO2, is it? no

[culkid]

ok hear this since your trying to be a smartass... is it possible to make a paintball gun have the same trigger mechanism and shoot like a real gun?

[The Kampfer]

It is possible, (run off 12 Gram CO2, need a lof of mod, a lot of $$$) but not practical.

You might just get a Airsoft gun, they look like real, shoot like real.

[Bradster]

you will need a different source to launch the ball out of the barrel. it is hard not using any gas for shooting.

[Bradster]

Originally posted by The Kampfer
It is possible, (run off 12 Gram CO2, need a lof of mod, a lot of $$$) but not practical.

You might just get a Airsoft gun, they look like real, shoot like real.

he is asking for paintball, and sorry for the double post :eyes:

[culkid]

well explain this since i dont know how guns work.. how does the real gun llaunch the bullet?

[The Kampfer]

Originally posted by culkid
is it possible to make a paintball gun have the same trigger mechanism and shoot like a real gun?
Oh, I see. Yes, it is possible. But before that, we have to put gunpowder in the paintballs.

[Bradster]

the hammer knocks the back end of the bullet so the bullet can be released out of the barrel. but if paintball guns uses the same hammer as a gun, the hammer may break the paintball then get a jam.

[culkid]

hmm... that sucks... do they make airsoft guns that dont take any kind of gas source? and im not talking about the ones you cock back for one shot and have to keep cocking it

[Relentless]

in the bullet, the back half it full of gun powder... the very back part of it gets hit with the guns hammer, and it is designed to ignite the gun powder, launching the "slug" (the tip of the bullet)... thats why the back half of the bullet comes flying out on semis...


the only way i could think of is to use a giant spring loaded device... everything else would chop paint like mad...


i agree with Kampfer... go airsoft if you want a real gun

err, took to long to make this post, and now ive been outposted :rolleyes:

[Bradster]

Originally posted by culkid
hmm... that sucks... do they make airsoft guns that dont take any kind of gas source? and im not talking about the ones you cock back for one shot and have to keep cocking it

there are electric airsoft guns at www.pbgear.com

[culkid]

ooo i hate those mini electric ones.. but where do u get the electricial source from?

[The Kampfer]

Battery. (hidden in the stock, before youe ask).
Or gas, (insdie the ammo clip)

[Relentless]

Originally posted by culkid
ooo i hate those mini electric ones.. but where do u get the electricial source from?

theres a little hampster on the side that runs a generator :P



in reality, they use batteries (like kampfer said)

[culkid]

^^^ hahahah

[The Kampfer]

Originally posted by The Kampfer

Oh, I see. Yes, it is possible. But before that, we have to put gunpowder in the paintballs.
We can change from "Paintball" to "Powderball".:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Bradster]

that gunpowder would fizuck up you gun, you know, it goes kablooey while it is inside of your gun. but try to think more, u might come up with something that might revolutionize paintball :D

and i know you are jking and all

[culkid]

^^ ya but if a paintball company sees this and it just so happens they come out with a gun like it.. they stole my idea and i get no money :(

[Relentless]

Originally posted by The Kampfer

We can change from "Paintball" to "Powderball".:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
is it just me, or was that..erm...not funny?

now im :laugh:

why dont you shoot using gas :confuse:

[Bradster]

what kind of gas? gas gas? or air gas?

we are trying to think of how now to use air gas

[llSmithll]

Originally posted by The Kampfer
It is possible, (run off 12 Gram CO2, need a lof of mod, a lot of $$$) but not practical.

You might just get a Airsoft gun, they look like real, shoot like real.

12 gram holders are like 30-40 bucks and they go into normal asa's

[Bradster]

but we are talking about NOT using co2

[llSmithll]

yes, but i just HAD to prove Kampfer wrong...

[The Kampfer]

Originally posted by llSmithll
yes, but i just HAD to prove Kampfer wrong...
Why?

I might not always right, but I am never wrong. :D

[Turambar]

Ok guys, we've pretty much proven that this couldn't be done. In fact, go over to General (I think) and do a search on this subject. There have been discussions about this before and everyone has pretty much come to the conclusion that co2 or HPA are the only ways you can get a paintball to work.

[rathbaster]

Gunpowder will not succesfuly propel a paintball.

I know.

I have tried.

Paintballs are small "gel-caps". The hot gasses involved with even a small charge of old-style black powder destroys and burns away the paintball. Newer, nitro-celluose (sp?) propellants are even hotter and more energetic.

You'll need some other propellant or a new way to deliver the existing propellant.

[rathbaster]

An interesting idea I just had;

Make a cartridge with a single paintball (one of the experimental footbal shaped ones) and in the back a tiny little co2 pod. The trigger mechanism strikes the co2 pod and breaks it open, powering the ball and re-cocking the gun, ejects the spent casing.

The shaped paintball would be able to be ballisticly acted on by the barrel (true rifling). You'd have the effect of a spent shell and the action of a "real" gun.

There are several problems with this idea:

1) You need a whole new paintball manufacturing industry to accomplish this

2) The spent shells would be a terrible mess to constantly clean up.

3) Cost per paintball would increase back to the days of $0.25-$0.50 a shot. Still cheaper than most "real" ammunition.

4) People who are already edgy about Paintball's association with guns and militaristic themes would have a nutty-fit

Oh well.

If you want to steal this idea, feel free. I have neither the time nor interest to pursue it beyond the thought phase.

:D

[Headhunter]

Firing paintballs with out using CO2 or HPA has been done before. Anybody know of the Model80(Para-Ordinance 80). It was/is a magazine fed powder charge paintball machine pistol looking very much like a Mac-10 or 11. It used primer and powder just like a real firearm. They were discontinued(reasons I don't know but show be obvious) but they were pretty 'cool' and 'high-tech' for the time(early-mid 80s). A wile ago someone on one of the other forums I frequent had a few for sale but I don't recall the price or if he had the special cartridges(similar to shotgun shells) for paintball.

Does that answer your question?





You know, it sucks sometimes being this old...:D

[spor]

Originally posted by Relentless
in the bullet, the back half it full of gun powder... the very back part of it gets hit with the guns hammer, and it is designed to ignite the gun powder, launching the "slug" (the tip of the bullet)... thats why the back half of the bullet comes flying out on semis...


the only way i could think of is to use a giant spring loaded device... everything else would chop paint like mad...


i agree with Kampfer... go airsoft if you want a real gun

err, took to long to make this post, and now ive been outposted :rolleyes:


thank you relentless half of these morons prolly don't even know how a real gun works. i wuz starting to think none of u did untill u posted that.
but ur post is incomplete. the act of the hammer hitting the end of the bullet makes a spark which ignites the gun powder which when it burns it expands at such a rate that it pushes the bullet down the barrel.


p.s. just so u know the act of burning is a solid turning into a gas and expanding so a real gun and a paintball gunn don't work too different they both work w/ gass expanding and controlling that expansion to push the ball down the barrrel.

[Meph]

Possible?

Hell, they already exist.

[spor]

I"m just saying they a real gun just uses another way of getting gass to expand and push some thing down the barrel. they both work the same way...off gas

that's like saying y don't guns fire off co2. simple u can't get enough pressure stored to propell a lead bullet down a barrel. so if u used the right ammount(an extremely small ammount) of gun powder it could work. so yes it is possible. we have all proved that. i declaire this thread closed.