Equation's new barrel

[Arizona Kid]

Inside scoop is Equation is coming out with a new barrel that is going to rock the barrel market. According to my source they have done prototyping and testing that has exceeded their wildest imagination. Look for it in about 3 weeks at their website. For those that have purchased "Multiple Switch barrels" all you have to do is purchase a new adapter breech. There is more to this barrel, but i can't be told right now. This will also be included on the "Bizerk barrels". I'll let you know as things develop.

[flyingdeadbody1]

sounds awesome. if its really that good ill probly get it instead of a freak.

[AllOleander]

How is this going to be compared to the freak?

Is it going to have inserts or new back pieces?

[nman84]

www.equationusa.com

just go there : )

[Arizona Kid]

I was digging into my source about what it consist of regarding components, and he said it will be sort of like the Freaks concept. It will consist of inserts from .683 thru .693 ( .002 increments )and he said there will be a special coating on them. ( He would not disclose ) The only other thing he said was it performed 500% better than the Freaks system. He said he will give me More info next week. One other thing he said is that it will be less expensive than the Freaks and production will begin after the holiday.

[AllOleander]

After holiday? What holiday?

How can it perform better than the freak? How many inserts? Will it have SS back :)

What lengths will the tips be available in?

Whats this barrel system called anyway?

[flyingdeadbody1]

i was never a fan of the freak. i just wanted one cuz of the paint matching abilities. too much porting, and i dont really like smart parts. i was looking into these MS barrels, and i said to myself, "if only they had more bore sizes, i would buy the whole freakin kit of adapters." well, that is really good news what you said. im glad i didnt already get the stainless back freak. I really hope this comes out good, cuz i can guarintee that i will be the one of the first to buy this barrel kit or whatever. ive been waiting a year for something like this.

[Arizona Kid]

This weekend is Labor Day and it's a National Holiday. So they start production next week. It will consist of 6 inserts and no stainless steel back, it's aluminum. The performance is from the special coating on the inserts. They are keeping the same name "Multiple Switch" The inserts are 4" long.

[flyingdeadbody1]

sweet!!! please keep us updated, and when do you think they will start selling on the market?

[flyingdeadbody1]

up

[flyingdeadbody1]

any UPdates?

[Arizona Kid]

The word is they are taking orders over the phone and info will be on the website tonight. The suggested retail price is $229.00 for all 6 inserts and a Multiple Switch barrel. They are having a special introductory price of $189.00 Sales from word of mouth are taking off already. I got my order in already of course and i've seen the prototype in action and it is like Fantastically incredible, this barrel is going to rock the barrel market. By the way you don't have to buy the whole system at once, you can buy them separately. The inserts sell for $22.00 ea. and the Multiple Switch barrel for $97.00 these are normal prices. The Bizerk barrel sells for $49.00 plus inserts. This is also a special price for the Bizerk barrel $142.00 for the set. Check the website out later tonight www.Equationusa.com And remember production is just starting this week and depending what model gun you have depends on when your order will be ready.

[flyingdeadbody1]

YES!! this is very good news!!! say bye-bye to the freak!!! yeah!!!
*flyingdeadbody1 nods in agreement and waves bye-bye to the freak barrel system

:nod: :agree: :wave:

[flyingdeadbody1]

quick!!! hide the thread!!! dont tell anybody!!!i want to be the only one with this barrel system!!!! no j/k:laugh:

[jurassic]

More info on the new Equation barrel system. The inserts are made of stainless steel and are 4" long and have a special finish/coating. Type of finish is unknown. I put my order in this morning. Greg said it would be 3 weeks before the complete set, including all 6 S/S inserts, adaptor back, extension, and muzzle for $189.00 introductory price, for my cocker will be complete. There are several different anodize colors to choose from for. Also the muzzles will have different types of porting to choose from. The inserts sizes are .683, .685, .687, .689, .691, .693.
:cool:
http://www.equationusa.com/

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[jurassic]

It appears that the coating on the S/S inserts is teflon. It's posted on the home page. I missed it before.

[AllOleander]

So are the backs alluminum? or ss? so all the inserts are SS? hmm... sweet

what different muzzles will be available?

you can get a back for a different gun and then use the system on both right/? how much will the separate backs be?

thx bud

[Arizona Kid]

The backs are aluminum, the muzzles available now are the Silencer,Sniper and the EK-47. As long as you have a Multiple Switch barrel you can buy different backs for the guns you need at a price of $32.00 ea.

[Landon]

im looking into a new barrel too and kinda wanted a freak or an ultralite... maybe ill get this if the reviews are good

[jurassic]

There should be more info posted on the Equation web site this weekend.
http://www.equationusa.com/
:D

[flyingdeadbody1]

sounds great!!! please keep posting updates, especially if you own or have shot the barrel system. i know ill be ordering on monday


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[Congobongo]

Thank God that my order for the freak system got cancelled because this new barrel system looks very promising (spelled that wrong i bet). I like the idea of the teflon in the inserts to so if u break a ball u can shoot it out hopefully, what i hope is that there is alot of porting so your gun is quiet heheh

[AllOleander]

There are differnet muzzles, so you can either get a heavily ported one, or a medium ported one, oir a almost non ported one (lapco style..hehe) .. very promising idea

but no one answered my question..are there INSERTS? Or different backs w/ different bore sizes like the cp pro kit?

[jurassic]

The extension piece (screws into the insert adaptor) can be had in several different styles and anodized colors and ported or unported. Also the muzzle piece (screws into the extension) has several different types of porting designs.
When you goto the Equation web site scroll down there is a popout menu, goto the multi barrel system menu for pictures.
http://www.equationusa.com/

[jurassic]

ALLo

Yes there are 6 different sized S/S teflon coated INSERTS that fit into the adaptor. It is not like the CP system. It was answered above.:)
;)

[AllOleander]

yah thx well on the site i saw it had different bore sized backs...ugh it was late..shuddup :D

[flyingdeadbody1]

no the new barrel system is not up on the site yet. the one with the different sized backs is the Multiple switch barrels. oh yeah, and anybody know when the new barrel system will be up on the site so i can look at everything and shop around?

[Eyecare]

One has to be careful about believing ads. It's good to see that they were able to shoot at 360fps without breaking balls. I've seen some pretty tough balls in my time so more information on testing methods used would be in order. The multiple adaptor system is more like CP's than SP's concept. It's also not entirely clear what the extention and muzzle tolerances are although I'd assume they'll be at least as big as the biggest sized adaptor. I ordered and received a single "system" to try out. The quality appears good but the barrel didn't seem to be as "solid" (heavy?), IMHO, when compared with the Boomsticks, Freak, and multipe J&J barrels I own. Of course, a lighter barrel doesn't necessarily mean less accurate. It's probably just my persoanl preference. I was pressed for time during my last paintball outing so I went with the barrel that gave me the best paint/barrel match that day (not the Equation). I'll have to try it out on a practice day to see how good it really shoots.
I think the jury's still out on this system. Just my 2c worth.

[flyingdeadbody1]

no, the new barrel system they have out has inserts that you put into the adapter

[Congobongo]

they have the ordering up now but all i see is the muzzle and the inserts what about the barrel?

[flyingdeadbody1]

just call em over the phone

[irrific]

all three links our there you start out with an adapter (your gun type) then the extension (middle barrel piece) then the muzzle(witch is the muzzle break)

www.equationusa.com/teflon_system.html

[Congobongo]

Ok is this how it works, you get one piece which is for your gun type, the middle piece is the barrel and then the muzzle for the porting, and then inserts am i right?

[irrific]

yes thats right, but the extensions also has options for ported or non-ported

[Congobongo]

ok cool i guess i have to call them up since they dont have that deal on the website 189 bucks for the adapter, extension, muzzle and the 6 inserts

[jurassic]

Originally posted by Congobongo
ok cool i guess i have to call them up since they dont have that deal on the website 189 bucks for the adapter, extension, muzzle and the 6 inserts

I just looked at their website. The $189 deal for the new system including adaptor, extension, muzzle and all 6 S/S teflon inserts is still ongoing. Take a look. The adaptors come threaded for different guns in different anodized colors. The extensions can be ordered ported or unported in several different anodized colors. The muzzles also come in different anodized colors with unique muzzle porting. All items except the inserts are made of aluminum.
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I have ordered a complete set.

http://www.equationusa.com/

[flyingdeadbody1]

i am ordering a complete set tommorow, i wanted to order last week, but didnt have the chance...I CANT WAIT!!!

[AllOleander]

Has there been any tests on this barrel yet?? I haven't seen any results on performance yet.

Let me know how it performs guys.. compare it to the freak or cp pro kit, cause those are the two im looking at now =]

cheers :D

[Congobongo]

But when u order all the stuff it still comes out to 229 bucks guess i hafta call them

[irrific]

thats correct when you do order the set its says it's for 229.00 but you well only be billed for 189.00 ill make a note on that on the website.

the photos and more content well be up shortly and the barrel performance is incredible ill put my life on that!!!
there well be a new extenion design soon and a few more muzzles as well stay tooned and a whole new web design as well

[Congobongo]

hey irrific do u work for equation?

[flyingdeadbody1]

hey i want to see the new barrel stuff and everything like the new extensions before i order, when will the site be updated???

[irrific]

Congo, yes i do work for them -=)

and flying, i havent really asked about when there going to start on the new designs but hopefully soon there really ****** and i cant wait till there out

[flyingdeadbody1]

hey irrific, if i order a scope extension for example, and the new extension comes out, could i sende it in to trade? cuz i think i am ordering in 5 minutes...i just cant wait any longer :|

[edited] oh yeah and by the way...can i order over the phone? i just called and they were closed or somethin, the machine beeped...

[irrific]

We do offer a 7 day money back Guarantee ...but what we can do is for a return is give you credit towards a new extension.

myself i like to have serveral styles so i dont have the same look everytime.

but if your planing on calling the best time is in the afternoon or you can always fax your order over...?

[flyingdeadbody1]

hey irrific, dorry to keep bugging you, but is their any more info you could give me on this barrel? why should i get it over the freak. I want a 10 inch barrel and these barrels arent made in 10 inches. have you actually shot the barrel and compared accuracy with other barrels like the freak? i only want this barrel system if the accuracy makes up for the extra 2 inches i have in the barrel length. im kinda thinkin of a 10 inch stainless back freak now...please tell me to get the equation barrel, im just so confused...

[irrific]

alright get the equation barrel -=)

no for reals this barrel holds the tightest tolerance than any barrel manfacturer out on the market today giving well of course the best accuracy possible, we hear everyday how our barrel out performs any barrel that people have ever owned and never thought that someone can make such a barrel, so i would tell you yes buy it and if you dont like it well refund your money within 7days of purchase, so you know nothin can go wrong. want more opinions goto pbreviews.com product reviews and see what others have said about our barrel. and more reviews well be hittin the stands soon

[Congobongo]

Hey irrific i just ordered the barrel system, so when is it suppose to ship out?

[flyingdeadbody1]

alright lol, ill get the barrel, but i just called today, i think at around 6 central, which is 4 Arizona time i think...and no-one answered...maybe ill try faxing it tommorow...

well thanks alot man, i am also very glad that i will be probly the 1st one at my field with this barrel, and if it performs like it sounds, i wont be the last :)

[edited] lol, and one more thing, i am ordering a mag adapter. are those backordered? how long would it take to get to my house you think? less then 2 weeks i hope? or not...?

[Congobongo]

omg barrel not come i cant wait patiently omg send it and make it g0g0g0g0g0 hehehehe ill cry myself to sleep until i get my griddy little paws on it

[compadre7]

So... when do think the pictures will be up? I've got an adapter, extension, and muzzle already (see sig)... where do the inserts come in? Are you going to be coming out with some lesser ported muzzles?

You guys who are looking for the best barrel... this is it. I've got plenty of stories from this things accuracy... I don't think I want to type that much right now, but if you really want em', ask.

(By the way, you guys at Equation are doing an excellent job!)

[irrific]

Hey Compadre.
The pictures should be up after this weekend, if you want to convert your old MS system with inserts all you have to do is buy an adapter and the size inserts you want, and yes we well be adding less porting to our muzzles now if you want no porting we do have blanks made up that you can order, ill add those to the shopping onto our site soon...

[irrific]

Hey flying,
ya it can be hard to get a hold of us sorry for that, you can always order online or faxing is good, and for the mag adapter is the last one where making cause its going to be the most diffitcult
and well cost an extra few bucks, just cause we have to make a locking system for that model, but the shipping date is looking good there all in production now

[irrific]

Congobongo,
The wait well be worth it, where shipping in the next 2 weeks ill keep you updated any more questions feel free to email me
embroidered@aol.com or just keep replying to this board

laters..

[Congobongo]

hehe knowing that im talking to one of the guys that works at equation is helpfull thats cool how u guys are on the boards

[Congobongo]

oh ya one more thing, where is the office that u ship out of cuz im in california im just wondering how long standard shipping would take

[compadre7]

Thanks... can't wait to see the pictures!

I'm not sure I'm understanding how this thing pieces together with the inserts, etc. Could you explain?

[irrific]

hey congobongo,
where here in arizona so it well probally take aday to ship 2days the most

[irrific]

Hey compadre,
well it pieces together like this,
inside the adapter its bored out to a higher diameter with one end having a stop so when you slide the insert into the adapter, it stops it from sliding all the way threw, and the inserts have o-rings to stop it from falling out when handling your barrel

hope this helps any thing else just ask....

[flyingdeadbody1]

ok, i guess ill wait till monday, i want to see all the new muzzles and stuff, i cant wait to see more pictures of the barrels on the site, that would be great, im scared that it will look ugly...

but then again i go thru this everytime i buy something over 50 dollars...:D

[compadre7]

So there's no stainless steel showing on the outside? It just LOOKS like a regular equation barrel? Does it perform better than the regular equation barrel?

[Dark Blade]

Is there going to be an equation barrel made for the impulse because that is the next marker I am going to get and I just want to buy a new back so I can interchange the barrel between my Piranha and the Impulse.

[Arizona Kid]

Yes there will be an impulse adapter breech coming out in a couple weeks, that will have the insert system.

Compadre: Yes the insert system Equation has designed is second to none. Not to take away from the existing barrels performance, it's just hard to beat the Teflon Equation is using and the insert for paint matching. They are definitely setting new standards in the barrel industry.

[Congobongo]

hey irrific or arizona kid or whoever is a employee for equation, whats the status right now on how far in production and when they will start shipping out, i cant wait for them to come out

[flyingdeadbody1]

hey i have bad news,

sorry, but i told my local proshop to order a freak system for me...
10 inch with red front...
the reasons i didnt order the equation barrel:
1. no 10 inch barrels
2. the barrels dont look that great (the pics on the website anyways), and i am kinda paranoid about ordering a new product, maybe you should put up more info and pics on the site...
3. i felt bad cuz i didnt order my new gun from my proshop, so i just told the guy to order me a freak...(main reason)

sorry, i wish i would have kept my big mouth closed.
ill probly regret it in the future, actually i really regret it right now...
but dont worry...im recomending this barrel to everyone i know, especially the people with mags, so i can try the barrel system out :)

[compadre7]

the freak... instead of an equation? :(

The pictures are supposed to be up today, right?

[flyingdeadbody1]

sorry, peer pressure :crazy: ;)

[irrific]

Sorry for the delay i work so many hours, im half asleep when i get home but im working on takin new pictures right now and everything should be up and updated this week with a fresh new look

[compadre7]

:)

[flyingdeadbody1]

thanks alot irrific. and remember, the more pictures, the better. :).

but seriously though, it will help alot with sales, and especially with people who dont know what to think about a new company and their product(s)

[compadre7]

yeah... probly one of the main reasons i bought mine was i saw them on the net and thought they were cool, but was interested in other barrels also. My local store ended up having them for me to see and try, etc. I don't think i would have bought one if i hadn't been able to see how high qaulity it was. I compared it to a couple of other barrels, and the Equation rocked!

[Ebonclaw]

Oh my god. I need one of those. Getting a new gun? Just buy a new adapter. Need a perfect fit? Slide the sleeve on. This is the LAST barrel purchase I believe anyone will ever have to make. And I am strangely aroused by it.

[flyingdeadbody1]

lol

[Congobongo]

omg how much more longer must i wait for them to finish production so i can get my griddy little paws on that barrel system, man i know one thing is that once i get it, my pants will start bubbling

[irrific]

i added the AK-47 muzzle to the site but more to come

[Ebonclaw]

Hey irrific,

I'll test the barrel system for you as a consumer for free. Ship the following items to the following address.................PRETTY PLEASE?

[compadre7]

:rolleyes:

[Congobongo]

aww man this wait is killer plz plz come out

[Congobongo]

hey any updates on the barrel production yet?

[Dark Blade]

Does anyone have a pic of there equation barrel and has a part of it that is blue. I want to see what it looks like because there aren't much pics of the barrels on the web site.

[Congobongo]

cmon any updates on shipping?

[Arizona Kid]

The inserts are almost done being machined, hopefully Tuesday or Wednesday then they go to honing then for the teflon coating. The shipping date should be the middle of the following week. October 16 or 17 if all goes well.

[irrific]

I'm back after moving into my new home, expect things to come this week on new pictures and design I PROMISE !!!!!

[compadre7]

Oh goody :D

[Congobongo]

hehe anyway you could ship it to me on the 15th? cuz thats my birthday and i like to get new toys in the mail hehehehe

[MikedaPber]

Holy god! This looks tight. So many different styles its crazy. I would ask which one is the best but it isnt out yet. O well. To that guy who works for them: It says they have clear colors but on the pics they are stainless steel. Does clear mean s/s?

I think im going to get a scope extention with a silencer or sniper muzzle. Does that sound good?

PS- U guys r so cool for making so many choices for this. Now people can get exactly what they want look wize and still get great preformance. It used to be hard to find a good barrel for a Low pressure cocker but now you have so many porting options...

[MikedaPber]

Man they all look tight! Maybe except that anighilator, lol. I might just sell My dye stainless steel so i can get everything!!!

i looked At it again and heres my setup i think:

Autococker Regular adapter (black)
Scope 8 in. extension (black, non-ported)
AK-47 muzzle (stainless steel)

That will look so tight i think. Great for a low pressure setup because no porting except the end which will silence it.
That setup or this one:

Autococker concave adapter (black)
Dragon 8 in. extension (black, non-ported)
sniper muzzle (stainless steel)

Black,Black, silver will look sooo tight with all chrome pnuematics. But i think the simpilar the looks the better so im probably gunna pick the first list. This will be my low pressure cocker setup:

2k1 cocker, dye hinge (when comes out) black stickies, shocktech 3-way, rock reg (chrome) Gladiator inline reg (chrome) sto ram (silver) Nitro tank, Tornado valve, and this lightly ported barrel

SHIBBY!

[Congobongo]

You forgot to add inserts, thats where all the performance comes from

[MikedaPber]

yeah i know, i figured that if people know they r so important u will naturally add them. I added my list without the inserts because those are the only things that come in 1 style so its no desision.

[MikedaPber]

Man my parents wont let me order untill after X-mas because they got me a cocker with a dye s/s and they said i have to try out the dye before i get this. THEY KNOW NOTHING! its my money, jeesh.

[Congobongo]

omg are u guys going to be able to ship the barrels out this week?

[MikedaPber]

I see you are a simpsons fan mr bongo... good taste, literaly there cool. Its so hard to decide what parts to get right now because they arnt out yet so no preformance differences can be made. I need to figure out a good way to make it quiet without porting in the extension because i run low pressure... i think the silencer might work. heres my logic: The gas is only used for about the first 6-8 inches of the barrel to propell the ball, the rest of the way it is just keeping the speed up. But if you have porting within those areas the gas will leek out and you will get less range. But the noise is created when the gass leaves the barrel, so i figure if there is porting at the end it will be the same as porting in the extension too, only that there is more gass for the muzzle to quiet. So if you have a non-ported extension with a ported muzzle you will get about the same noise (slightly more, but low pressure also makes the gun quieter so that will make up for the excess noise) with more effinciency. The gass is used in the first 6-8 like i said, and the porting is at the last 12 in, 14 in, etc. So the gass is still used effinciently but you have less "pop"noise due to the muzzle. Am i right?

[Congobongo]

ya it also depends on how lp ur gun is, if it is really lp then u gotta worry about the porting. Ya if u do get a non ported extension, then go with a ported muzzle. i think the multi-switch barrels are already out but they are manufacturing the inserts and stuff

[MikedaPber]

Some guy on the reviews said he had one with ported scope and a silencer. Thats like too much. Well at least 4 lp. The cool thing is you can order them seperatly so that if you want u can buy everything and try it out. I MIGHT do that because some of these designs ive never seen before. Like the dragon and serpant extensions. There funky. They look like they might chop balls because of the diameter changes, but like i said i have neevr seen those kind before. I might get a dragon with a concave, i think that would look pretty shibby. But the muzzle im still unshure about. Because the AK-47 has more porting than the silencer, yet the silencer is supose to quiet it more. Thats wierd. More porting should make it MORE QUIET, right? maybe there drilled different...

[MikedaPber]

I think i have made my desision:
Black Autococker Concave adapter
6 stainless steel inserts (duh)
Black, non-ported, 6 inch scope extension
Stainless steel silencer muzzle

I think that will work for low pressure. Theres not alot of gass with low pressure (im talking low baby, like 50 psi) so it should make the difference of without the extension porting. Plus all chrome front pnues will make it look good with the silver tip

PS- what is up with the web site saying the color is clear? It is chrome! or at least colored silver!

[Congobongo]

hey iriffic i just got an email from u guys cuz i sent one asking when the shipping dates are and now i guess it got pushed back to the 24th, dang what happpend :)

[irrific]

Things happen during production unexpectetly that can make this happen but things are going great as of now, so shortly they well be in the mail to all, and im currently making a brochure right now so the website got bump back a few more days but it well be soon to complishment.

any more Q's feel free

[MikedaPber]

Yes, i have two. Number one: There are pictures of stainless steel insterts, ectensions, and muzzles on the site and i am wondering if those are color options. B/c i dont see a clear color but i see a silver. Are those the same?
Number 2: I went on the site's forums and there was a request to make a chart comparing the different styles in quietness, accuracy, and range. The guy said that no matter what parts it will always be the same preformance. HOW CAN THAT BE? A ported barrel HAS to be quieter than a non ported!

PS - The guy had a good idea, comparing parts and all. You should do that when u have alot of time, or over a couple months. Because i want to know which styles are best.

[Congobongo]

todays the 24th, did everything go smoothly?

[Arizona Kid]

The Barrels are done and in the mail, expect them Tuesday or Wednesday, depending where you live. Hopefully the mail system will go smoothly with all the junk going on.

[Congobongo]

bump, hehe i goit the 100th post here hehe

[riley_570]

the annodizing itself is clear, and that's why it looks silver. you see the silver of the metal under the annodizing

[Congobongo]

w00t w00t hopefully tomorrow ill get my barrel

[Congobongo]

oh ya will i be able to get a tracking number cuz i didnt get my barrel today *crie* hehe i live in CA though that might be why

[MikedaPber]

Hey chongo, when u get it let us know how it works; im thinking of getting this over a lapco if it rocks. I dont like to believe hype produced my the company that manufactures it :|

[jcross]

Is the sniper muzzle more accurate.

[mattsky911]

yea and is the silencer quietest??? Also does the piranha adapter only come in concave because it has the same threads as the spyder? There are two separate choices Spyder and Piranha, are they the same?

[Arizona Kid]

In answer to the Sniper question, muzzles don't create accuracy and the Silencer is just a name of the muzzle. They named the muzzles according to the style they resemble. It's illegal to make real Silencers. Being the quietest depends on if you have a low pressure gun. The Spyder and Pirahna are the same and only made in concave.

[mattsky911]

I'm thinkin' I'm gonna get me one of them. They look great.

[mattsky911]

how long is the $189 special gonna last?

[Congobongo]

I just went out today and tested the barrel out with my cocker. Damn its nice, i highly recomend getting it, alot of people at my field were asking what kind of barrel it is.

[MikedaPber]

Better than lapco or boomy?

[Congobongo]

lapcos and boomies dont have inserts so of course its going to be more accurate, most barrels shoot just like a boomie

[mattsky911]

Congo... Would you recommend getting this barrel over the freak:confused: Also, is it considerably more accurate than other barrels you have tried:confused: And last what is the setup of your barrel:confused:

[Congobongo]

The freak's inserts are made out of aluminum and are relatively weak, but the inserts shouldnt in the first place get dented, the inserts in the equation barrel are made out of SS and have teflon on the surface of them making the inside of the barrel have less friction, i got all 8 inserts and the whole barrel set for 189 which was the intro price. Of course lapco and boomie barrels shoot nicely, that is if your paint fits or else they all shoot like any other barrel. The equation barrel shoots basiclly almost the same as the freak, but since the equation of was cheaper i went with equations, plus you can buy different extensions and muzzles to customize it to what you like. Hope this helps you out

[KMA]

I did a review of the Equation Multiple Switch Pro barrel system. I hope is helps a be sure to let me know what you think:

Click here for the Equation MS barrel review (http://home.stny.rr.com/planetatv/equation.htm)

[AllOleander]

Wow, cool man. Thanks, that was interesting.

Sucks that the inserts aren't labeled.. But couldn't you just coat the INSIDE of the inserts in teflon, leaving you a surfice on the outside you can print on?? :confused:

This seems obvious so im sure theres a reason why you cant do that.. care to enlighten me?

[jurassic]

I received my MS system yesterday. The inserts are now laser ID'd. Not that big a deal though. Just size the paint to a insert. Does it really matter that a player knows what the size of the paint is as long as the consistency is good.
Of course that is just my opinion; )
:crazy:

[mattsky911]

Thanks Congo, that helped alot, KMA that is an awesome review, is your dragon extention ported or no?

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[KMA]

AllOleander,

I'd imagine it is possible to only coat the inside of the insert. Maybe it is just much easier (cheaper?) to coat the whole thing? Dunno. It looks like that are using engraving now which should be a fine solution.

mattsky911,

My dragon extension does have some porting, although not very much. Thanks for the nice comment about my review.

Jurassic,

How are you? I justed PM'd you on PBnation. I hope things are going better... I see your point about the inserts not being labeled and agree. I was thinking more along the lines of sharing what size insert to use with teammates. If five people has the same paint and barrel, they would all have to go through the sizing exercise instead of just one person. Also, if you know approximately the size of the paint you are going to use, you could go right for the correct insert and start from there. If there are jumbled up you'd have to pick one and start searching until you find it... I'm being picky, but it could be a nuisance.

I will most likely update the review when I get a chance to do more testing. So far the results are very promising.

Good luck!

[MikedaPber]

KMA, would you say this barrel is better than your bigshot with matching paint? Also, have you ever used a cp one peice? If so, do you think the MS is better? I ask because i am deciding between a MS (1 insert, kinda on a budget) a cp and a BS. Thanks

[KMA]

MikedaPber,

Shooting the current batch of Diablo Blaze, the MS is slightly better than the BigShot, but the comparison may be unfair. The bore size of the paint is .687 (I used this insert on the MS) and the BigShot is .689 I believe. I think they would shoot virtually identical using the same bore size and paint, but the MS would a bit quieter and of course more versitile. I haven't personally shot a CP, but a teammate of mine uses a 10" and it works great. It will most likely boil down to price, efficiency (if that is a factor for you), and versitility.

Good luck!

[jurassic]

KMA
I received your PM on PBnation. I see your point, it certainly does make it simpler to identify the correct Stainless steel insert when ball sizing with a team. The laser engraving on the inserts, now, is very professional and easy to read.
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For $189 I received 6 barrels in one with 6 different ID'd stainless steel inserts (of high quality) in my choice of colors and styles and porting for the Muzzle, extension, and insert back to shoot the many different sized paints with accuracy and consistency. I have 9 other cocker barrels so I speak from
foolish experience.
;)

[MikedaPber]

Thankyou, KMA. That just further proves paint matters more than barrel (well, the paint you use IN the barrel, you cant just shoot without a barrel now can you) I believe i will lean towards the cp... here are the reasons (im bored, i will make a list :)

1. I think it looks awesome and it has many styles to choose from like the ms
2. Few ports so it will work for Low pressure
3. ports wont effect efficiency
4. more ports than BS so slightly quieter
5. 38 bucks at paintballwarehouse

Now i dont have anything to do

[Arizona Kid]

Equation is now expanding the insert system to their Bizerk 8" single piece barrel, that will now except their Stainless steel Teflon coated inserts. They are now taking orders. The price will be $79.00 dollars which includes A Bizerk barrel and choice of 3 inserts. Where else can anyone get a Pro barrel system for this price?

[BlackMageHell]

With the MS system i heard that you can take out the extension and play it as a 6 inch barrel. Has anyone tried it?

[DROPCIVIC]

WHEN BUYING THE Equation Multiple Switch Barrels, WHAT IS THE BEST OVERALL LENGTH TO BUY FOR ACCURACY AND SHOULD I GET THE NON-PORTED BARREL OR THE BARREL THAT IS PORT? WHAT BORE SIZE DO I USE? ALSO DOES IT MATTER OUT IN THE FIELD, AS FAR AS BEEING SEEN, IF THE ADAPTER IS SILVER OR BLACK? I THANK ALL YOU GUYS FOR YOUR INFO AND HAPPY HUNTING!!!! IF YOU CAN, PLEASE RESPOND TO EMAIL: DROPCIVIC123@YAHOO.COM:confused:

[KMA]

Originally posted by BlackMageHell
With the MS system i heard that you can take out the extension and play it as a 6 inch barrel. Has anyone tried it?

I've tried it, and I believe Jurassic has also. I noticed a fairly large drop off in FPS when using the short configuration, but it shot very straight. It was louder. I did not measure the decrease, or try turning it back up to 280fps and retesting. I'd imagine it would work well, and I will try to update my review with this info soon...

If I remember correctly, Jurassic mentioned he saw about a 30fps drop with the short barrel setup...

Good luck!

[surrenderordie]

They are going to release a freak style one soon. It will still be as high quality and accurate if not more accurate. It will just have more inserts. And a somewhat different look. This is what i have heard.

[jurassic]

The Equation Multiple Switch Pro Barrel System with stainless steel teflon coated inserts are out now. 6 different bore sizes. Go to there Web site. Check it out.

http://www.equationusa.com/
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[jurassic]

Dropcivic
WHAT IS THE BEST OVERALL LENGTH TO BUY FOR ACCURACY AND SHOULD I GET THE NON-PORTED BARREL OR THE BARREL THAT IS PORT?

General consensus among the paintball folks for length is10" to 12" barrel. But this depends on porting. Do you want quiet or do you want air efficency. There is a trade off. But, buy what you like. I have the non-ported Equation extension. But that is my preference. Don't worry about it. There will be plenty of noise on the field. Play smart and agressive!

WHAT BORE SIZE DO I USE?

There are 6 bore insert sizes. .683 to .693 in .002 increments. Match it to the paint you'll be using. You will see better shot to shot consistency and tighter groupings.

ALSO DOES IT MATTER OUT IN THE FIELD, AS FAR AS BEEING SEEN, IF THE ADAPTER IS SILVER OR BLACK?

Hell NO!!! Just play!! My Equation barrel has a bright red muzzle, black extension, and a silver adaptor back. Again buy what you like!!
:D ;) :D

[jurassic]

UP!

[high adjucator]

i tried the 6 inch barrel, it works ok, not very great but just ok.


im glad eqatuion came out with a bore mathcing system, i like them better than SP

does the insert go through the whole length of the barrel?

[KMA]

high adjucator:

The insert just goes in the first 4 inches or so... The 6 inch barrel shot straight for me, but was very inefficient. If you want to go short, I was told by Equation that you can buy the new 8" Bizerk barrel that uses the inserts. The Bizerk with 3 inserts will be $79, and I believe you can buy a version that accepts the inserts, but does not include them (You can use the ones from the MS Pro system if you own it...) for $49.

It is supposed to be a good little barrel, and it should be available now in BM, cocker and spyder threads (I think). You'll have to email Equation (info@equationusa.com) for the latest info because the website may not show it. If you think of it... let them know Kevin (that did the MS Pro barrel review) sent ya!

Good luck!

[irrific]

The Bizerk Insert Barrels are out now, 79$ with 3inserts

www.equationusa.com

[KMA]

I've made a few updates to the review... I'm hoping to get ahold of Equation's new Bizerk 8" barrel (that uses the same inserts) for some testing.

Good luck!

[jurassic]

Just received a 8" Equation Bezerk Pro barrel!! This is one slick looking barrel.
With the the 6 S/S inserts is unbeatable for matching paint to barrel in a shorty setup. Excellent consistency and tight shot groupings. This is one to check out!! More to come later.

:D

[compadre7]

Hey jurassic,
Are you going to write a review or anything? I really want to hear about the Bizerk! You got 6 inserts? How much $?

[jurassic]

I already have the MS Pro barrel systems with 6 S/S inserts for $189.
I bought the Bezerk Pro barrel system with 3 more S/S inserts
for $79 because I wanted a 1 piece shorty barrel. This way I can use
a barrel on my cocker and have a ready to go backup gun for a friend to use also and have inserts for both barrels.
I may do a review next month when I get around to it.
If you buy the Bezerk Pro barrel system you get your choice
of 3 of the 6 inserts. I don't no how much it would be to get all 6 of the
S/S inserts with the Bezerk. But I would think it would be cheaper than
the MS System.
Send Equation a email and see what they say.
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