Spyder, tippmans, or piranhas?

[RedWidow]

I know this is a common poll but, since this is a blowback section I think it would be important, I think spyder but there are more people in this forum

[MuckRaker]

I think you left out a whole slew of blowback markers that would fall into the "entry level" category; Nemesis, Rebel, GT2000, Terminator, etc.

However, if I'm gonna recommend something, I'd have to vote for all three on the grounds of Value, quality and durability. But, the Spyder and Piranah probably have a slight edge over the Tippman because they are easier, in general, to field strip and clean.

[PAINTBALLFREAK]

I think the pirahnas are better then tippmanns

[TLplus84]

I think that they all make very good beginnner guns, but the Phirana and Spyder are better because they have alot of potential. ALso, I htink that Tippmans are good rental guns; they are built like a tank and nothing will break one.

[MuckRaker]

Originally posted by TLplus84
I think that they all make very good beginnner guns, but the Phirana and Spyder are better because they have alot of potential. ALso, I htink that Tippmans are good rental guns; they are built like a tank and nothing will break one.
:D
I've been seeing more and more Modified Model 98s, so I'd be careful to say that the others have more potential. Plus, a lot of third party manufacturers, like 32 degrees and Proteam are making some really wicked after market 98s. Frankly, as entry level markers, you definetly won't go wrong with any of them. And remember, it ain't the marker, but the person shooting it.

[TLplus84]

true...i guess when it comes to entry level, it comes down to personal preference, but i will always think that Spyders and Pirahnas are better ;)

[NickR]

The order that they go in from best to worst is 1.Piranha; 2.Spyder; and 3.Tippmann. Piranhas are better than spyders for two reasons, they are better stock than a spyder is, and they cost less. Also PMI has the best customer service. I love spyders and almost bought one. But after research i found that i would be much happier with the Piranha. Tippmanns are just overated. Plain and simple. They dont perform as well as a Spyder or Piranha. And they cost more. An M98 is the most overated of them all. It is the hardest to field strip, it is horible stock, and is long and heavy. Most people say that Tippmanns are the best and are the most reliable. And many say that spyders break down every day. This is crap, pure crap. The myth that spyders are fragile and break all the time is a myth started by a Tippmann owner. And before you say that the Tippmanns are made of steel, guess what, aluminum is better, lighter, and cheaper. And if you say aluminum sucks so much, then why does the US Airforce use if to build the planes that travel faster than sound and defend our country? Bottom line is that Tippmanns are overated, Spyders are nice and fun, And Piranhas dont get the respect that they deserve. Dont buy a Tippmann.

[MuckRaker]

Originally posted by TLplus84
true...i guess when it comes to entry level, it comes down to personal preference, but i will always think that Spyders and Pirahnas are better ;)

I hear ya TL, I'm biased too, but I'm trying to be Objective here ... :eek:

[TLplus84]

[quote]originally posted by Nick_RThe order that they go in from best to worst is 1.Piranha; 2.Spyder; and 3.Tippmann. Piranhas are better than spyders for two reasons, they are better stock than a spyder is, and they cost less. Also PMI has the best customer service. I love spyders and almost bought one. But after research i found that i would be much happier with the Piranha. Tippmanns are just overated. Plain and simple. They dont perform as well as a Spyder or Piranha. And they cost more. An M98 is the most overated of them all. It is the hardest to field strip, it is horible stock, and is long and heavy. Most people say that Tippmanns are the best and are the most reliable. And many say that spyders break down every day. This is crap, pure crap. The myth that spyders are fragile and break all the time is a myth started by a Tippmann owner. And before you say that the Tippmanns are made of steel, guess what, aluminum is better, lighter, and cheaper. And if you say aluminum sucks so much, then why does the US Airforce use if to build the planes that travel faster than sound and defend our country? Bottom line is that Tippmanns are overated, Spyders are nice and fun, And Piranhas dont get the respect that they deserve. Dont buy a Tippmann. YOU TELL THEM~!;)
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[NickR]

I finaly found someone who hasn't been bitten by the Tippmann bug. Its so rare to find someone like TL+84. STAY STRONG TL+!

[spacer709]

I'm with you NickR but in my mind, spyders and piranhas are equal :)

[NickR]

I used to think that spyders were better than the little fish. But after I realy looked into it I realized that they were flesh eating, spyder swallowing, painting machines. They are better stock than a spyder. And some are less than a spyder. For example the STS and the TL+. They are similar. They look the same for one. And they target the same buyer. But, the stock barrel on the STS is better, the accuracy on the sts is better, the fore grip is an actual expansion chamber not just a fore grip like on the TL+, and it is more reliable. Now that we finished that look at the prices. A new PMI Piranha STS G2 costs $144. A new Kingman Spyder TL Plus costs $160. So for about $15 less you get a better gun. It also comes with a RAM AIR CHAMBER. I can remember exaclty what it does, but i know its good. LOL :)

[MuckRaker]

Originally posted by NickR
[Bthe fore grip is an actual expansion chamber not just a fore grip like on the TL+, and it is more reliable[/B]

Unless PMI has changed the design specs on the G2 series, there is no expansion chamber on the STS, EXT or PRO series. The new PSI series has a PMI Pure Energy regulator in place of the foregrip, but the others just have a plan ole Gas Through Grip.

[NickR]

guess the store where I saw the ad for it was just trying to make it sound better.

[MuckRaker]

Originally posted by NickR
guess the store where I saw the ad for it was just trying to make it sound better.

MAybe you should call the store, maybe they're offering the STS with an expansion chamber instead of the Gas through grip.

[RedWidow]

So is everybody saying that the pirahna then the spyder because if pirahnas were better why does the spyder have the most votes

[MuckRaker]

I'm not saying that Red. I'm biased in favor of the Piranah ... I'm saying get What You like and don't listen to all those folk who bash one brand or another. Just Get What Ya Like.

[RedWidow]

I know thats why I got a spyder because I like them

[NickR]

Spyders got more votes because they are more populer. This is because they are more well known. When you get down to the details though a Piranha is like a spyder on steroids. It is like the big brother that no one knows. And it takes all(or most) spyder upgrades.

[RedWidow]

They arent just popular, there actually really, really good guns

[NickR]

They are good guns. I almost bought one. But they arnt as good as PMI Piranha.

[NickR]

Try to think of a Piranha as a better version of the spyder. And go read the specs and reviews on the Piranhas and Spyders out there. Trust me, after some reading you will see what I'm talking about. And PMI has better customer service. Another plus is that PMI uses standard threads instead of metric like spyders.

[MuckRaker]

metric vs standard doesn't apply to the "Thread." It applies to the size of the allen wrench needed to remove the screws. The threads are all the same.

[spacer709]

Somebody sure is opinionated... :rolleyes:

[TLplus84]

actually muck the threads are different..if you look at a Kingman SS hose and a standard SS hose, the threads are different.

[NickR]

Listen, it realy doesnt matter if you like piranhas or spyders. There is hardly any difference in looks. The craftmenship on a Piranha is soposed to be better. The paint job to. And if ya look at the facts, they perform better than spyders. Piranhas are spyder clones that do better than a spyder!

[Mr. Kitty]

Originally posted by NickR
Try to think of a Piranha as a better version of the spyder. And go read the specs and reviews on the Piranhas and Spyders out there. Trust me, after some reading you will see what I'm talking about. And PMI has better customer service. Another plus is that PMI uses standard threads instead of metric like spyders.

I think you really can't say that. I mean you can, but I don't think you should. It really depends on personal prefence, like what u, personally value in a gun. Ihave a bl milenium and they are only $50 more than a pmi pirahna STS G2 and they are like really upgraded spyders! for how good they are, they should be like $250! Plus I don't think you can talk because you don't even have one. My brother has a fully stock one and I have the BL millenium and mine performs much better, not saying my brother's doesn't perform well!

[Edited by Mr. Kitty on 03-01-2001 at 08:37 PM]

[NickR]

A milenium by bob long isnt a kingman spyder. It is called a spyder, but its not.

[MuckRaker]

Originally posted by TLplus84
actually muck the threads are different..if you look at a Kingman SS hose and a standard SS hose, the threads are different.

OK, you probably got me there, I was thinking that they were talking about the Screws that hold the gun together ... my bad for giving Crap Advice.

I guess the one thing, though, that I can accurately state is that I've been pelted with paint fired from Spyders and Tippmans, and, unfortunately, when you're out, you're out.

[Mr. Kitty]

Originally posted by NickR
A milenium by bob long isnt a kingman spyder. It is called a spyder, but its not.


A millenium accepts all spyder upgrades and is essentially the same as a spyder internally. Sure it looks a little different on the outside and it has some upgrades, but basically it is a spyder that Bob has done some work on. Plus my millenium that I bought new was $20 less then a spyder shutter!

[NickR]

Dont try and compare other guns to the shutter. It has a very flawed design.

[Mr. Kitty]

Well how about this then it is $20 more than an se and it has more than $20 in upgrades.

[MuckRaker]

Originally posted by NickR
Dont try and compare other guns to the shutter. It has a very flawed design.

I wonder if that flawed design had anything to do with me getting shot out of three games by a Guy with a Shutter ... HMMMM.

[chevy123]

maybe the guy was skilled? or better yet lucky? :D

(typing this with a burnt lip, GOD DAMN HOT POCKETS!!)

[Mr. Kitty]

I don't think the spyders got more votes becuz they are more popular. I am sure everybody on this board knows about the pirahna, they just think the spyder is better. The pirahna is no longer a second to the spyder. A lot of people know about it.

[NickR]

A shutter is very flawed stock. With a little work it is good. The spyders are still more popular among people because they are so well known and have been astablished as the kings of the low end semi market. Piranhas are the better and underapreciated semis of the market. When people hear the word piranha, the word spyder clone comes to mind. I dont give a damn if its a clone, its still a better gun.

[Mr. Kitty]

What about the F4 illustrator or rebel? Those are underly-appreciated guns! So is the millenium. not many people talk about it!

[elTwitcho]

I've shot a TL+, shutter, SE, my upgraded Compact, the super deluze piranha model with all the bells and whistles (even that RAM AIR CHAMBER that you love so much Nick) and didnt notice a whole load of difference between the higher end spyders and the higher end Piranhas, it's the same deal man, just different looks, you might say better quality and "just plain better beacuse it's the under appreciated Spyders big brother, Spyder killer, bug squashing, Super slick" whatevere, it's pretty much the same gun, stacked tube design, with a few upgrades. It isnt gonna make a whole load of difference which you got, so I wouldnt quite go so far to say either is much better

[Richy_C]

don't buy PSI if you go to pbgear or where ever, get a VLT and an STS sight rail, and a PMI reg for under the price of a shuter or a PSI ha! now is Richy C smart or.... no, don't say it

[Intruder]

F-4 illustrator, HA...

[Incube]

Nick r is right but spyders are more upgradeable thats what got my vote

[NickR]

What? A piranha will take all(or almost all) spyder upgrades. And the ones that will only fit spyders and wont fit the piranha are also made to fit the piranha. Thats pure crap that the spyders are more upgradeable.

[Incube]

Ok this is the last time anyone should have to run over this in this fourm it dose not matter what kaind of gun you own it matters how skilled a player you.
sure some guns perform better but whats a good gun with a a pice of crap for a player behind it? nothing i rest my case a gun is a gun
LOOK
take joe blow and put him behind an auto coker what do you get i guy with a gun who likes to pretend he has the skills
take joe cool and put him behind i spyder and you have a smoking cammle with a spyder. what i am trying to say is it isnt exactly the gun it is the person behind it. get it now?

god i hope i never got to type this again

[Intruder]

I applaud you because you are exactly right.
(clapping)
(oooing and aaaing)
(loud whistles)
(histerical pre-teen girls screaming)
(clapping)

ta da
(intruder rejoices in joy as he is extremely proud of his masterpeice)

[Incube]

(Bows to his right)
(bows to his left)
(steps back)
(bows to his center)
(fall sover from being hit with a tamato)
(driven to hospital)
(bows his eyes and goes in to a coma)

[skippy8]

I like my SE. I can't speak for Pirahna but I like my Spyder than my friends tippmann. Get this. There is 8 kids in my school w/ tippmanns. OK. there are 3 spyders and a commando 2(which is spyder compatible).Overrated!!!And 4 of the tippmann kids are going to get shirts that say "spyder sucks" on the back. How stupid is that?? I'm just going to laugh at them for wasting money on a stupid shirt like that. I play wooded play right? well tippmanns are loud as hell. The casing design rigns out and its like a distress beacon especially w/ bright silver barrels on them. I'm in a rut with all this anti-spyder kids in my school. I'll just practice and get good...

[blinkpk11]

man that must suck, if someone at my school came w/ a shirt that said spyders suck, they would be black and blue with bruisies (pardon my spelling).

[Incube]

You have to say that brass eagle guns are some of the queitist guns around my raptor is very sound all you here is a small crak like when you hit a boutton on your keyboard and then a little swish from the bolt

[Intruder]

Originally posted by blinkpk11
man that must suck, if someone at my school came w/ a shirt that said spyders suck, they would be black and blue with bruisies (pardon my spelling).

YEEHAH!
That is what would happen at my school too. It doesn't matter to me because I cream guys with tippers with my gun. My gun accepts all spyder upgrades and I love it.

[Incube]

haha i woop spyders with my raptor and angles and cockers

[TLplus84]

BRING IT ON!~~!!!! ;)

[Incube]

how? may i ask?

[TLplus84]

i donno..haha i just make pointless challeges..:P

[Incube]

Oh ok i do that too sometimes

[FlyBoyNZ]

Accually, Tippmann is known for their service NickR. I can get any part of my gun for free for 1 year. They will even fix you gun for free, install the Tippmann upgrades for free, like the RT, flatline (dont get flatline) and other stuff. They respond to you fast and if you order a part, you get it within 1 week (I live in Atlanta and I think Tipp in in Indiana.)

[NickR]

Thats called a 1 year waranty smart one. Bassicaly every company has a 1 year waranty. Thats why it is free.

[TLplus84]

not all companies have that. TIppman does have exceptionally good customer service.

[FlyBoyNZ]

yep. Anyway, if you just got into this sport and are not on a team, PMI, Tippmann, Kingman guns are all great for beginners, just dont go and buy a BrASS Eagle. Yesterday i saw a kid with a translucent purple Samuri. I saw 2 TL +s, 2 m98, plenty of PMI rental guns (birthday party), 1 Angel, and me with my Pro/Carbine with Lapco Bigshot barrel. I got some people out and i got this guy in the mask, right between the eyes. By the way, NickR doesnt even own a paintball gun.

[Hsuve]

Originally posted by Incube
You have to say that brass eagle guns are some of the queitist guns around my raptor is very sound all you here is a small crak like when you hit a boutton on your keyboard and then a little swish from the bolt

That is an obvious lie. Raptors are blowbacks and will make quite a loud noise. First of all, the striker is sent forward after the sear releases it and the pressure from the spring behind is released. It slams into the valve retainer pin, but the nub is long enough to push the valve pin out allowing whatever gas source you use through. Because stock Raptors are high pressure guns, there will be quite a "pop" instead of a push, should you be running low pressure. Then the striker will be slammed back into the striker buffer, or velocity adjuster shall you not have one. That too will create a noise. Quietest guns I've heard are 'Mags , *clink, clink, clink, and 'Cockers , *pushu, pushu, pushu. By the way, sorry for the lame sound effects. :)

I use a Spyder and find that it is an excellent gun. I'd say that all three, Spyders, Model 98's, and Piranhas, are great guns to start out with. Spyders and Piranhas are probably best if you enjoy to customize a lot. Model 98's are customizable as well, however, so far they only have a couple misc. parts and a few kits. How is a Piranha a "Spyder on steroids"? I'd gladly debate with you as to why they're just about the same. Give me your reasons. I believe that you said Piranhas come with better stock barrels. Not really... Most entry level markers do not come with great barrels... Higher end like STO's, Shockers, Angels, etc. do. STO's use J&J Two pieces, Shockers use some Smart Parts barrel, Angels use Jacko barrels, EM-1's use OTP barrels. Spyders, Piranhas, Tippmanns, they use... their own barrels. Anyways, most likely people with change their stock barrels, it's the number one recommended upgrade. Also, accuracy is only based upon these things:
1. The shooter
2. The quality of the barrel
3. The quality of the paintball
4. How well the paintball fits inside the barrel
5. Whether or not the barrel is clean

[Intruder]

NickR doesn't have a paintball gun, he sure does like to bash other peoples guns even though he has no basis for an opinion. lol.

[Joel Timberlake]

Originally posted by NickR
A shutter is very flawed stock. With a little work it is good. The spyders are still more popular among people because they are so well known and have been astablished as the kings of the low end semi market. Piranhas are the better and underapreciated semis of the market. When people hear the word piranha, the word spyder clone comes to mind. I dont give a damn if its a clone, its still a better gun.

I told my friends I was getting a Piranha, and they laughed at me. I played with them today, and there jaws dropped. I know what you mean man.

[Daniel]

I think spyders hand down are better than tipps and pirahnas.... Tippmans are nice because they are very durable... but that's about it. Pirahnas are just spyder rip offs... Newayz i say this because i love my shutter and it whoops up on Tipps and Pirahnas...

[Hsuve]

How is a Piranha a Spyder rip off? You must be pretty new to paintball aren't ya? The first stacked tube blowback was a gun made by Sheridan, which was also kinda part of PMI. So in a way, Kingman was copying off something PMI already did, but later on PMI used the design of the Spyder. Being a rip off a gun isn't necessarily bad. The Millenium's a Spyder rip off? It's got a vertical feed, ever hear anybody complain about their Milleniums? :) Don't bash others guns, I'm sure you don't appreciate it when some trash talking little kid comes up to you and says: "Damn, why waste all your money on that crappy gun?"

[TLplus84]

i wouldn't say spyder rip off..spyder clone maybe, but like Husve sed, it's not nessesarily a bad thing..

[Hsuve]

Damn, this is the only forum that I go to in which nobody (except maybe JT) can spell my name right... :(

[TLplus84]

i was close :D

[DraXsuS]

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[SPYDERFLYER]

SPYDER IS BETTER HANDS DOWN. I HAVE A BLACK TL PLUS WITH A 14 INCH DYE BARREL. IT KILLS MY FRIENDS. 3 OF MY FRIENDS HAVE M98S AND 1 HAS A PRO CARBINE. I ONLY NO ONE PERSON WITH A PIRANA, AND IT ISNT AS GOOD AS MY TL+.

[sackerwc]

Well I just got to say I been sitting back reading all of this crap that you people have been posting for the past 15 mins... and guess what There has been only one person I have agree with...that was the person that said it was the player that said Its not the gun its the person behind the gun! he used the explain give a newbie a autococker, angel, emag or whatever high end gun and give a decent player a tippmann a spyder or a Piranha...more then likely the decent player will shoot the newbie player. And It also a matter of what feel you like......I have a few friends that have shutters...I shot one of thems gun...I didn't like the way it shot, the feel just wasn't right for _me_, but he likes the way it shoots...i don't, me didn't get that gun....Then i shot one of my friends m98, i liked the way it shot, easier to aim to me then the shutter liked how it felt so i got the model 98...So it really just depends on what gun feels right to you, I must say the model 98 is a little hard to clean but i never had to take it apart in the middle of a game or anything.....And yes the tippmann is a little louder then a spyder,but hey I never had to take it apart in the middle of a game...

But this pole would be very hard to see what gun really is the best gun... Cause it is just a matter of a opinion to the person. So if you looking to buy one of theses brands just shoot each of the guns and see which guns shoots the best.

[FlyBoyNZ]

One of my cheesy friends was whinning that if you give a newbie an angel they would shoot up a good experienced player. That is a bunch of crap. I agree that is is the player that counts. Just look at my signature!

[Hsuve]

Originally posted by SPYDERFLYER
SPYDER IS BETTER HANDS DOWN. I HAVE A BLACK TL PLUS WITH A 14 INCH DYE BARREL. IT KILLS MY FRIENDS. 3 OF MY FRIENDS HAVE M98S AND 1 HAS A PRO CARBINE. I ONLY NO ONE PERSON WITH A PIRANA, AND IT ISNT AS GOOD AS MY TL+.

I'm sorry, but will you PLEASE not type all in caps?!? Putting all the letters in caps does not get the point out better... Uh... Where do you live? Killing your friends eh? I think I'll call the cops... ;) Your friends' guns must be stock, if they had a decent aftermarket barrel, they too would work just as well as yours.

[Intruder]

This could go on forever because veryone is just going to b*tch about how their gun is better until the other person gives up, and their is no sign of that happening anytime soon.

[Incube]

Originally posted by Hsuve
Originally posted by Incube
You have to say that brass eagle guns are some of the queitist guns around my raptor is very sound all you here is a small crak like when you hit a boutton on your keyboard and then a little swish from the bolt

That is an obvious lie. Raptors are blowbacks and will make quite a loud noise. First of all, the striker is sent forward after the sear releases it and the pressure from the spring behind is released. It slams into the valve retainer pin, but the nub is long enough to push the valve pin out allowing whatever gas source you use through. Because stock Raptors are high pressure guns, there will be quite a "pop" instead of a push, should you be running low pressure. Then the striker will be slammed back into the striker buffer, or velocity adjuster shall you not have one. That too will create a noise. Quietest guns I've heard are 'Mags , *clink, clink, clink, and 'Cockers , *pushu, pushu, pushu. By the way, sorry for the lame sound effects. :)

I use a Spyder and find that it is an excellent gun. I'd say that all three, Spyders, Model 98's, and Piranhas, are great guns to start out with. Spyders and Piranhas are probably best if you enjoy to customize a lot. Model 98's are customizable as well, however, so far they only have a couple misc. parts and a few kits. How is a Piranha a "Spyder on steroids"? I'd gladly debate with you as to why they're just about the same. Give me your reasons. I believe that you said Piranhas come with better stock barrels. Not really... Most entry level markers do not come with great barrels... Higher end like STO's, Shockers, Angels, etc. do. STO's use J&J Two pieces, Shockers use some Smart Parts barrel, Angels use Jacko barrels, EM-1's use OTP barrels. Spyders, Piranhas, Tippmanns, they use... their own barrels. Anyways, most likely people with change their stock barrels, it's the number one recommended upgrade. Also, accuracy is only based upon these things:
1. The shooter
2. The quality of the barrel
3. The quality of the paintball
4. How well the paintball fits inside the barrel
5. Whether or not the barrel is clean

oh go to hell. j/k anyway it is silent for a blow back so step of puddle filler (like puddle filler i do and you can say it to for 5 bucks ) or get the deal on floggle donkey for $19.99 for a limited time only. shiping and handleing may cost up to $10 or call (902) 465-5492

[Incube]

Originally posted by sackerwc
Well I just got to say I been sitting back reading all of this crap that you people have been posting for the past 15 mins... and guess what There has been only one person I have agree with...that was the person that said it was the player that said Its not the gun its the person behind the gun! he used the explain give a newbie a autococker, angel, emag or whatever high end gun and give a decent player a tippmann a spyder or a Piranha...more then likely the decent player will shoot the newbie player. And It also a matter of what feel you like......I have a few friends that have shutters...I shot one of thems gun...I didn't like the way it shot, the feel just wasn't right for _me_, but he likes the way it shoots...i don't, me didn't get that gun....Then i shot one of my friends m98, i liked the way it shot, easier to aim to me then the shutter liked how it felt so i got the model 98...So it really just depends on what gun feels right to you, I must say the model 98 is a little hard to clean but i never had to take it apart in the middle of a game or anything.....And yes the tippmann is a little louder then a spyder,but hey I never had to take it apart in the middle of a game...

But this pole would be very hard to see what gun really is the best gun... Cause it is just a matter of a opinion to the person. So if you looking to buy one of theses brands just shoot each of the guns and see which guns shoots the best.
THATS ME HES TALKING ABOUT

[Incube]

Originally posted by MajSpyder
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GOT TIME?

[Intruder]

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[Intruder]

I did all of that in about seven secs. just type what you want. Drag over it so it turns blue around the text. Then right click and click on copy. Then just right click and then push p. Do that symotaniously and it will go fast. You don't even have to right click where you want the text to go, it automatically goes one after another.

[Intruder]

A lot of people are going to hate me for letting people know how to do that, lol.

[TLplus84]

guys please don't clutter up the threads like that..if you don't have something resourceful to write( yea i shouldn't be talking) thne please don't write anything. THanks.

[simon woodstock]

Originally posted by SPYDERFLYER
SPYDER IS BETTER HANDS DOWN. I HAVE A BLACK TL PLUS WITH A 14 INCH DYE BARREL. IT KILLS MY FRIENDS. 3 OF MY FRIENDS HAVE M98S AND 1 HAS A PRO CARBINE. I ONLY NO ONE PERSON WITH A PIRANA, AND IT ISNT AS GOOD AS MY TL+.
If i were you, i'd turn my velocity down before you kill any more friends.

[Intruder]

Ya, lol, friends are going to be hard to come by if you kill all of them.

[Mr. Kitty]

U guys are so stupid!:eek:This is my imitation of u, translated:

"My gun is the best! U know why? because it's my gun! My gun is the best becuz I have many, many insecurities!"

U guys sound like ur just trying to convince urself that u made the right choice when u were choosing a gun.

[simon woodstock]

yunno what mr kitty, every1's gun IS the best, if it wasn't they'd sell it and buy a different gun. every1 personalizes their gun to fit their playing style and personality, so take your negative downer vibes somewhere else.:p

[Intruder]

I agree with simon woodstock on that.

[Richy_C]

no, the best gun is the one you're comfertable with and i like my friends Pirahna better than my old spyder

[NickR]

Hey people, I have an awsome idea! Why dont we all stop b*tching and whining and go PLAY! Dont waste your time here any more saying how your gun is better! Go prove it! Pissing and whining isnt making your guns sound any better!

[PBSouLjAh]

i seriously dont think dat anyone can say anygun is better than another from the spyder/piranha/tippmann category. i love my friends shutter....it feels light and really balanced and comfortable...but i love my m98 as well. the shutter or spyders are easier to clean, but the m98 is easier to do internal mods. all of u that said the only good thing about the m98 is its durability..dats not it. my m98...i've shot so many cases of paint through it i cant count....and even with my stock m98 barrel which i still have.....i break about 1 ball out of 2000 rounds. also the m98 is faster than a stock spyder or piranha. m98 also has a lighter and shorter trigger than a spyder or piranha. im not tryin to be biased towards da tippmanns....because i love my friends shutter. very good looking, really light, nice drop forward, i love the double trigger...if someone would say "okay, i'll give you a free tlplus or a free m98 with a double trigger" it would be a very tough decision considering that both guns are very very nice. i mean....i think spyders are durable. who's goin to run over their gun with a car? whose gonna throw a gun into a tree? also...wat do u guys think makes a gun so much better than another? performance? i can make any gun better than another. u mite say the feel of the gun. but dats ur opinion, and its not performance. and to piranha fans....i used spyder in those examples cuz piranhas are very similar to spyders. and also...why do u guys argue about wheter the spyder or piranha is better? wow...better parts. those parts end up being upgraded anyways. better worksmanship...very little difference.

[simon woodstock]

hey nick R, i'm not gunna go play paintball at 7 on a monday night. i heard you don't even have a gun. or have you got one by now?

[Witt]

Spyder but Piranha comes close :)

[Intruder]

Duh, NickR, anybody in here would rather go out and play rather than type on your keyboard and stare at a screen. I just don't have the money, resources, or time. It's a weekday for crying out load.

[mikek2111987]

how do i get the icon below my name on the left?

[raptorprh]

i think the spyders and pirahnas are better because they are easy to upgrade

[Incube]

Some nut at my school stood up a store this morning with a pb gun and the volicity was 400

[Hsuve]

Originally posted by Incube
Some nut at my school stood up a store this morning with a pb gun and the volicity was 400

Uh... I don't think your school had a chronograph... How the hell do you know it was 400FPS?

[q149]

Originally posted by Incube
Some nut at my school stood up a store this morning with a pb gun and the volicity was 400

And if someone tried to stand my store up with a paintball gun id just kick their ***, not like they could kill me or somthin, unless of course it was spyderflyer's gun.

[Skelo]

Piranha STS G2 is awesome! I have a J&J Ceramic and want a reg. Just get a Piranha, its worth every penny! As http://www.xpaintball.com saids "A TL Killer" But the TL+ was my second choice in guns.

[Mr. Kitty]

My gun is the best I tell you!

[Mr. Kitty]

Originally posted by simon woodstock
yunno what mr kitty, every1's gun IS the best, if it wasn't they'd sell it and buy a different gun. every1 personalizes their gun to fit their playing style and personality, so take your negative downer vibes somewhere else.:p

I don't think my gun is the best. You know why I don't sell it and get another one? Guess.

But I'll just tell myself my gun is the best, because if I do that enough I'll believe it, like all you guys do.

[FlyBoyNZ]

NickR still doesnt have a gun. He is now planning to shoot and play against other people with Airsoft guns. He also thinks that 2 inches added on to the gun will greatly dissable his agility. NickR is weird.

[FlyBoyNZ]

I also remember a talking to him on the phone and he was b*tching that a person who has never played before with whoop the *** of an experienced player if the person who has never played before had an Angel. He is wrong.

[Hsuve]

Well, under certain circumstances, the guy who never played before can win. Such as if the experienced player didn't have a marker to use. ;)

[Intruder]

hehe :)

[Spyder_Kid]

hey PBSouljah i saw some little kid throw his rental Spyder up against a tree and it still worked...lol
he got shot in the arse and dove onto the ground hurling his gun about 5 feet into a tree it was hilarious...i dont think me and my friends ever laughed so hard in our lives

[Intruder]

That sounds funny, would have loved to see that. It is funny to see what people do when they get hit. I've heard a guy skweel like a pig while jumping around holding his butt because he just got nailed in the butt. I laughed at him for days.(we go to school together)

[Dräko]

I often think to myself how well a tippman with a flatline, low pressure kit, x- chamber, reaction trigger, and electro conversion kit would perform. Its prolly be a really kool gun, but the deal with tippmans tho is that theres like 7 mass marketted upgrades and they all come in packages so they can charge as much as the market will bare which is apparently alot. Not enough bang for the buck

[Hsuve]

Originally posted by Dräko
I often think to myself how well a tippman with a flatline, low pressure kit, x- chamber, reaction trigger, and electro conversion kit would perform. Its prolly be a really kool gun, but the deal with tippmans tho is that theres like 7 mass marketted upgrades and they all come in packages so they can charge as much as the market will bare which is apparently alot. Not enough bang for the buck

Why would you want an expansion chamber if you've already got a regulator and all?

[Intruder]

Tippmanns don't come with regs.

[Dman]

Originally posted by Dräko
I often think to myself how well a tippman with a flatline, low pressure kit, x- chamber, reaction trigger, and electro conversion kit would perform. Its prolly be a really kool gun, but the deal with tippmans tho is that theres like 7 mass marketted upgrades and they all come in packages so they can charge as much as the market will bare which is apparently alot. Not enough bang for the buck

You couldn't do all that anyway. The RT kit and the Electro kit are mutually exclusive. there is only enough room in the grip for one. The low pressure kit and the X chamber are also mutually exclusive. You can't add both because the low pressure reg is in the same place as the Tippman X chamber. I find that their prices are competetive when you think about how much an electric trigger would cost you for a Spyder/Pirahna, or even a Mag. They run between 150-300 bucks. It's not just a matter of what the market will bear, it is also a matter of paying the engineers to design it, and the testing that is needed to meet Tippmans quality standards. Tippman has worked had to come up with a gun that could compete with the plastic guns in price, yet far surpass them in quality. I think that they did a damn good job with the M98.

[Intruder]

The m98 is a good gun. I don't care what anybody says, I've used them and they are good.

[The Billionare]

I like my piranha sts g2. I like my wife's se. They perform about the same. It all depends on what you want to do with the marker, then what game you play and then style. Personal preference is important. Don't get an ugly gun because you think it will work well, but also don't get a pretty gun if you think it won't work well. Find the happy medium and do a lot of research into markers before you pay. Your marker will tell people what kind of game you play. Tippmans suck. They are ugly in my opinion and you can find better performance cheaper. Tippman owners resemble a one legged man in a butt kicking contest on the field. Some good players now how to snipe, but I always see these fools up front with pro carbs trying to act like it's vietnam. They are usually the first to get tagged, so I say if you want to stay in the back and be a sniper, get the m98 w/flatline, however, my wife's se makes a good sniper too. Piranha is my first choice by the way, but I refuse to vote. Don't get a shutter, a tl+ is just as good and costs less and the se has a cool paintjob in some peoples opinion. Not mine. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder though.

[FlyBoyNZ]

You sound and think like NickR. NickR has never owned a paintgun before, on this fourm he says he does, but he doesn't. I go to school with him, so I know. A lot of people on this fourm also found out that everything thing he says is untrue and supported by crap. He thinks he is a know it all and he talks like Al Gore. Most people like you have never used a Tippmann, I kick butt with my Pro/Carbine with Lapco Bigshot.

[Intruder]

I have yet to see someone playing in my area with a pro/carbine. That's probably because no-one around here sells them. I would like to try one.

[Osiris/5]

Which gun is better? A Spyder Shutter or A piranha G2?
Plz help

[Osiris/5]

SPYDER SHUTTER OR PIRANHA G2? WHICH IS BETTER?
HOW CAN YOU TRUST A COMPANY TO BE BETTER THAN KINGMAN (SPYDER), IF IT HASN'T BEEN OUT AS LONG?

[Hsuve]

It's your choice. They'll shoot just as accurately stock, but the Shutter will shoot more consistently due to the regulator. However, the regulator is a piece of crap, and the G2 is about $109 cheaper. Instead of a G2, I'd rather go for a Delux Compact 2000 though. :)

[apm213]

tippmanns r really good once u get used to em, i dont like spydeys cuz they freeze up and stuff. i've never used or seen a piranha.

[Incube]

BA...........NG
BANG

[Hsuve]

Originally posted by apm213
tippmanns r really good once u get used to em, i dont like spydeys cuz they freeze up and stuff. i've never used or seen a piranha.

Well, a Tippmann would easily freeze up if you shoot fast with CO2. 'Mags and 'Cockers do as well... How to prevent freezing? Get N2!!! :D

[Incube]

I knew NickR was a fake:eek: i lovet eek thing it is awsome.

[PBSouLjAh]

my tippmann has never ever frozen before. one day it was ...about 40 degrees outside, i loaded up my hopper, and i emptied it in a straight sequence, 200 shots in a row. and it didnt freeze.

[FlyBoyNZ]

Why would you shot 200 balls in under a minute? Big waist of balls.

[Hsuve]

Originally posted by PBSouLjAh
my tippmann has never ever frozen before. one day it was ...about 40 degrees outside, i loaded up my hopper, and i emptied it in a straight sequence, 200 shots in a row. and it didnt freeze.

You must not have shot the balls very quickly... CO2 is cold. Because it's compressed, when you rapid fire, CO2 will quickly take up the empty space that was just fired. If you shoot really fast, CO2 will run through your gun very quickly and freeze up. Heh, you probably shot around 1BPM :)

[Intruder]

Wow, you fired 200 balls in a row. I've shot over 400 balls in -10 degrees celcius weather up here in chilly canada in the middle of the winter and my gun didn't freeze. I shot those 400 balls in 1 game that lasted only about 20-30 minutes. (he had a good spot :) )

My bro just got a pro carbine, its pretty cool, he shot about 300balls w/ out a break, it has nice velocity to. He shot my friend in the back of his thy with it from like 15 yards away and he dropped like a bag of potatos. pretty funny!

[Incube]

Originally posted by KillWhitey
My bro just got a pro carbine, its pretty cool, he shot about 300balls w/ out a break, it has nice velocity to. He shot my friend in the back of his thy with it from like 15 yards away and he dropped like a bag of potatos. pretty funny!
lol
potatos

[daheat]

Let me see if I can shed some light on this debate.
I personally own a Piranha STS G2 my dad owns a tippman M98 and my neighbor owns a Spyder TL Stock wise My piranha outperformed both with Diablo Midnight paint.
The M98 barrel is like a pipe they stuck on there drilled some holes in and called a barrel. the TL came with an 8" barrel which to my surprise was rather accurate for stock. Mine came with an 11" spiral ported drilled whatever its called outshot the spyder plain and simple.
Mine has several upgrades now along with my dads tippman and the spyder tl.
I can't say much tword the tippman because the barrel wasn't interchangable with the spyder/piranha.
ButHe put a hyperstar bolt in it and an internally rifled barrel on it and it shot the diablo midnight rather well at 20 yds it stacked paint still pretty loud for my blood.
Took a 32* terminator on my piranha and buddies spyder tl and it also stacked paint at 20 yds but the guns were extremely quieter than the tippman.
the spyder did break two balls during rapid fire but so did the tippman(1 ball) the piranha didn't break any.
the only upgrade on the piranha is I have put in a turbo valve stiffer main spring lighter valve spring just got my reg today so it'll be LP before the weeks over.
All in all I think the piranhas are better stock and upgraded than both spyders and tippmans. Spyder comes in a very very close 2nd other than the ball breaks they were dead even. PMI has excepional customer service compared to kingman.
Spyders with the single field strip pin are rip offs of pmi yes PMI did come out with the single field strip pin first just ask around you will learn. and the body's as said before were designed by a pmi co-company Sheridan.
Oh and one last thing. with the 14" barrel and 20oz CO2 on the tippman the freaking thing was like 2 feet long.

[Hsuve]

No... I'm sure WGP made the first pullpin... I think they've been on the 'Cocker forever... Also, I believe the Piranha pullpin diameter is a bit larger than the one on the Spyder, so a 'Cocker pullpin would be a bit loose in there. However, I'm not positively sure...

[m98owner2001]

i'll belive it's really just a personal opion of what you like and what you dont like

[Incube]

Yeah what he said