Why BKO?

[FPS 300]

I really like the feel of electros, so I'm going to consider buying a BKO. I need input though, on which I should choose.

Why should I choose a BKO over a Mag or a Cocker? Those are my three choices. If you would give me your opinions on why the BKO is better than the other two, I'd appreciate it a lot. And please, don't say something like "BECUZ IT r0><0r5!!!!11!1", because that gets no one anywhere.

Thanks for your time.

[manbot]

because you can rip on a BKO much faster than a stock cocker or Mag. BKO's are cheaper, lighter, and sexier...

[canemaster]

lol man.
Bkos stock are faster and much, much lighter. Maintenance wise the mag is better or the same as the bko (cocker sux in maintenance). Trigger pull is better than both. The bko has less costing upgrade to reach the best performance. If ur willing to buy the e-blade frame and pneumatics for ur cocker that would be the ULTIMATE BEST CHOICE (imo). But stock and overall (exept for eblade stuff) the bko is prolly tge best choice.

[No_DAMN_NAMES]

BKO. Stock Mags and Cockers are nothing to write home about. The only way you'll get a good mag for the price is used. Stock cockers just don't impress me at all.

And I don't really like the BKO so my endorsing it is a bonus.

[PRORAPTOR]

And your a canadian with an impulse.....lol
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[No_DAMN_NAMES]

Originally posted by PRORAPTOR
And your a canadian with an impulse.....lol And you a American with a Bushy. Your point?

[PRORAPTOR]

canada and impulse=2 worst things on the planet!

[caNCer420]

hahaha,

implusehttp://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/cwm/cwm/piss.gif

[E99Beekz]

That's one of the funniest things i've ever seen on pbr. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[No_DAMN_NAMES]

Originally posted by PRORAPTOR
canada and impulse=2 worst things on the planet! Your a ****ing idiot. Try playing tackle football with a wood chipper you moron.

[PRORAPTOR]

lol......:rolleyes:
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[No_DAMN_NAMES]

Originally posted by PRORAPTOR
lol......:rolleyes: Almost as funny as making fun of Canada and impulses. And why do you think that Impulses and Canada are such bad things anyways?

[caNCer420]

it was a joke our canadian friend:laugh: canada is not bad, impluses are kinda ***. so you break even. and now its time for you to get your frozen canadian *****$ back to the gimpluse forum before i get tom green to come kick your butt.

[Atemp_Myth]

$1000 and so many marker to choose from. You may want to check out the spec's on the Angel Speed. I had the chance to test one out and it's very yummy.

[ayzian]

BECUZ IT r0><0r5!!!!11!1

[PSYCHO+LOGICAL]

Originally posted by manbot
because you can rip on a BKO much faster than a stock cocker or Mag. BKO's are cheaper, lighter, and sexier...

Untrue.
You can pick up a used powerfeed mag for around 150usd (they have the lowest resale value of any gun on the market because of stupid rumors that go around ie. they are heavy, ugly, lack upgradability etc...)

Weight and Looks of the 68 Automag Classic
They have potential to be way lighter than BKO's. Although the BKO has a body with a larger surface area than the mags' (theres one negative) that can be milled really nice, the automag has the Ultra Lite Engineering alumium body which is available in any color, its vertical feed, has nice milling, cocker threads and an angel threaded feed neck.

Not to mention the Slug body that is coming out soon, which is also aluminum but really thick and not annodized for those guys that like custom milled and custom anno'd bodies.

All in all, you can make it look fairly nice, but it has such a small profile that it is hard to compare with the looks of say fancy looking cockers and impy's. Looks aren't important though.

Comparing the weight of even a stock, stainless steel mag with cockers or BKO's there isn't much difference and with the amount of aluminum parts available to add to the automag, you couldn't match the agility and compact design with any cocker or impulse copy.

Parts and Upgradability
Well, people say mags lack upgrades, but in actuality there is way more you can do with a stock mag than you can with a stock BKO. Cockers have so many upgrades because they have so many esoteric parts and gadgets that make the gun more prone to needing service. The internals of the mag are rock solid and insanely reliable. If you are too lazy or newbish to disassemble the marker by taking out TWO field strip screws, he manual actually tells you to gas it up and swish the marker around in a bucket of water, the gas pressure keeping water out of the valve internals.

The stock gun is decent, but it is designed to be upgraded right away. When it is purchased new it has no barrel so you won't find a mag with a 'stock' barrel unless its a FieldMag or something. As I say the ULE body has cocker threads and there are an abundance of cockers for some reason and cocker barrels and Freak kits come cheap and are easy to re-sell.

The bolt chops sometimes, as with most guns, but the Level 10 bolt will not chop at rates of fire up to 25bps and the stock valve assembly (steel) has one of the best regulators on the market, so that alone saves you money and added weight in the long run.

In the future you can send your used Lvl10 bolt back to Airgun Designs for an instant 100 dollars towards a brand new X-Valve (aluminum) which will actually come with a brand new level 10 bolt installed.

Some people complain about the trigger too. It is like a stock tippmann 98c trigger but with a ULE Trigger Pull Kit (aka. ULT) you can drop trigger pull to something like 18 ounces, just over a pound, making it the lightest pull of any mechanical marker trigger.

The intelliframe double trigger frame can actually be easily linked to a 12v revvy with 5 bucks worth of radio shack wires and bits to feed every time the trigger is pulled. No soldering required.

THEN there is the Centerflag Hyperframe. It's like the eBlade for mags. It has an LCD display and a cap of 13bps (not spectacular but any more can be a waste of paint) so if you have a 12v revvy or something that feeds at a mere 10-12 bps you can adjust the cap lower so you don't misfeed or chop. Bear in mind that 10bps is a 6" gap between balls flying through the air.

Other stuff about Mags vs. Everything Else
I'm not really biased. I'm only trying to get the truth out. AGD made the first blow-forward marker and the first electro marker so they know their stuff. The Vision Impulse is one of the only things I can think of that compares to the X-Mags. Just don't use co2 without antisyphon and an xpansion chamber or you will bust o-rings. Air is ideal for any marker anyways...

Indian Creek are the ones who lack upgrades for their guns. Anything from their line of markers will never cross the mid-rang line. The stock BKO is alright and shoots nice, and can shoot really fast however you will find it tough to make it much nicer than it already is.

As for autocockers. They have too many upgrades. Don't even go there. You may think they are interesting because even I can say that seeing them shoot is a spectacle, but hey are so quirky and technical and because they have so many individual parts, you will find yourself tuning and timing it more than people say. With so many parts you will have to shell out alot of money to get rid of most of the crappy stock parts.

Like I said before, mags come stock with the best reg on the market and its smaller than a film container. The reg being an important part, you would find yourself dropping about 100 bucks for a new regulator alone. All in all, mags are the ideal platform for upgrading. The only real limit to what you can do to one is how much money you have.

You could spend 150 bucks on a used classic automag and turn it into a $2000 setup. Tunaman and Tom Kaye at automags.org both believe that a well upgraded and tuned 68 classic is up in the angel performance bracket with twice the durability and half the maintinence.

Based on hours of research into many companies, I really suggest going with a mag over pretty much anything.

If you don't, I will be forced to use my Crazy Circus Magic of Muscle Control against yourself.

*ALA-KA-SPANK!*

[PRORAPTOR]

I have owned 2 automags....Stay away from them...they have low resale value for a reason....Thy are all o-rings which=pain in the but.....and they also sound like nailguns....The BKO is a much better gun
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[PSYCHO+LOGICAL]

What is that supposed to mean?

[PRORAPTOR]

Ive never liked any of my mags....they hae always been hard on paint and those electro frames made my mags very very in-efficient....The BKO is a much better choice...
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[PSYCHO+LOGICAL]

"I have owned 2 automags....Stay away from them...they have low resale value for a reason....Thy are all o-rings which=pain in the but.....and they also sound like nailguns....The BKO is a much better gun"

First of all, learn to type in a way people can understand you.

Second, answer the following questions to some degree of meaning or have your knowledge of this subject looked down upon.

Thx.

My last question basically was, what does 'Thy are all o-rings which=pain in the but' mean? Something about o-rings I gather but if you don't use CO2 then you will rarely have problems with them.

Also, for what oh so obvious reason do you you believe they have a low resale value?

If they suck so much why have you owned two and, how exactly does an electro frame make a marker 'in-efficient'?

And, if you say they fire like nailguns as pertaining to being loud and hard on paint, you do understand that the opperate in the 400-500 psi range
(Note: The CF Hyperframe runs of a single standard 9v battery, not 9.6v)

[ImpYa]

Here are my reasons to get a BKO.

Its consistent.
I get +/- 3 over the chrono.

Fast.
Well to me...17bps is fast.

Accurate.
With a good paint to barrel match, it is just as accurate as any gun out there.

Can not chop with SP.
If you get the SP Mod, you will never chop again.

Small profile.
The BKO is smaller than guns like the Impulse and its big brother the B2k.

What most people want out of their markers is a fast, consistent, and accurate gun that doesnt chop. The BKO is all of these.

I think the title of this thread should be..."Why Not A BKO?"

ImpYa

[E99Beekz]

Originally posted by ImpYa
Here are my reasons to get a BKO.

Its consistent.
I get +/- 3 over the chrono.

Fast.
Well to me...17bps is fast.

Accurate.
With a good paint to barrel match, it is just as accurate as any gun out there.

Can not chop with SP.
If you get the SP Mod, you will never chop again.

Small profile.
The BKO is smaller than guns like the Impulse and its big brother the B2k.

What most people want out of their markers is a fast, consistent, and accurate gun that doesnt chop. The BKO is all of these.

I think the title of this thread should be..."Why Not A BKO?"

ImpYa

Actually, it should be, "Why Not a BKO?" because only the important words in a title are capitalized. ;)

[PRORAPTOR]

400-500 PSI is high pressure....

Mags are hobbibly loud...even spyder loud....

The more the o-rings the more the problems

Get a BKO...its a much better gun and has excellent resale value
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[PSYCHO+LOGICAL]

Originally posted by ImpYa
Here are my reasons to get a BKO.

Its consistent.
I get +/- 3 over the chrono.

Fast.
Well to me...17bps is fast.

Accurate.
With a good paint to barrel match, it is just as accurate as any gun out there.

Can not chop with SP.
If you get the SP Mod, you will never chop again.

Small profile.
The BKO is smaller than guns like the Impulse and its big brother the B2k.

What most people want out of their markers is a fast, consistent, and accurate gun that doesnt chop. The BKO is all of these.

I think the title of this thread should be..."Why Not A BKO?"

ImpYa

You say these things like it is a stock BKO that is so great, but everyone have a look at his sig. Vapor, Shocktech and Bob Long everything and a Custom Products barrel.

Thats about the best you can upgrade a BKO and he is boasting about the consistency because he has Torpedo reg which runs about 105 bucks Canadian after tax.

I can't stress the fact enough that mags come stock with pretty much The best regulator on the market and with give you +3/-3fps or less variance between shots. The X-Valve is even better.

Here is my mag:
Nothing spectacular but I'm trying to get a black AA back with a purple front and maybe send my ule in for a little more detailing with a CNC and a black front to purple back fade anno. As you can see, there is an x-valve as well and an Intelliframe trigger. It is really nice, but MANY many steps away from being 'the best a mag can get'. That is just a CP gas thru grip btw.

http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/73088/1.jpg

...and compare the size of it to a BKO (which isn't really noticably smaller or larger than B2k or Impulse).

http://www.pbreview.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1181301
I know I could've found a better pic but I didn't want to bust out some flaming red BKO. I just wanted the basic design put across. Most BKO's I've seen look like crap. I even just looked through the entire pic thread and that one is like the most decent pic I found.

Here is Impya's setup btw http://www.hunt101.com/img/048897.JPG
Just playing fair :confuse:

From the get go you will be satisfied with your BKO if you get one, but after a couple upgrades on a 68 Classic you will be way more satisfied in the long run.

[jwong]

Psycho,

My set up is stock except for the valve and MM.

It's everything that ImpYa has mentioned except for the chopping....... if I walk the trigger and out shoot the Egg 2.... then I'll chop. IF I keep the bps below 14, the no chops.

As for efficiency.... 500 per 1000psi of my tank.

Accuracy..... Blaze works great with the stock barrel. I've played one on one with a couple guys using Impulses in speedball. Outcomes are about even.

Cheers

[bsucaptainbilly]

Originally posted by PSYCHO+LOGICAL


I can't stress the fact enough that mags come stock with pretty much The best regulator on the market



u crack me up.

[Rich4444]

I have to admin Psycho Logical made a good case for Mags. I've never used one myself.

Whats the cost difference? How much does a Mag cost new? (can you buy them new yet?). Just wondering.

Resale shouldnt be an issue, if your just going to sell it, buy a spyder LOL.

[PRORAPTOR]

Mags have been out forever....Mags are extremely cheap now cause no one wants them...they are old technology....AGD needs to put more money n their R&D dept.

Very nice mag BTW I like the all black scheme you have going
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[Rich4444]

I looked up a mag dealer, and the custom 68 mag (bare bones, no barrel, etc etc), is at $200+. A full mag marker runs about $400.

[PRORAPTOR]

You can get a barebone mag on e-bay for about $100...you can get a nice one for about $250
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[PSYCHO+LOGICAL]

I'm not out to impress people with my gun.

Players like that usually suck.

However, I will be taking the foregrip off, sanding, priming, painting and clear coating it because it dont like the crappy anno job CP did on it. How hard is BLACK to match with BLACK. Also painting the bottom field strip screw the same way (minus the threads) and maybe get some black macroline with a purple fitting on the ASA.

The drop is gone and CP barrel is gone also and is most likely being replaced with an all black All American or hopefully a black AA back and purple front and a KAPP drop zone or something. I dunno, whatever feels good.

The ugly Dye Standard grips that come stock with the intelliframe are being replaced with either smoke 2k3 Sticky's with the silver logo or maybe black or purple smart parts wood grips. Those are heavy though. Again I dunno. I would rather everything was one color or another. Just say no to rainbow guns.

It has outstanding performance even for a mechanical marker, but I will be moving up to a CF hyperframe pretty soon. But ya.

The reason they are so cheap, is yes, they are older but I have yet to see a single stock gun outperform it in more than one aspect. These guns last forever. O-rings are cheap. They are easy to work on and maintain. If something goes wrong that you can't fix, AGD has been around longer than most of these companies and all you do is ship it to them and *shabam* it's fixed and tuned. With a couple upgrades you'll be laughing.

I would suggest looking here before you get one:
http://www.automags.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=11
...and here after you get one:
http://www.automags.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=4

[PSYCHO+LOGICAL]

Here is a good deal. Current bid is $170 and has a 48cu tank.
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=98910&highlight=cheap

This one has a lvl. 10 bolt installed and drop forward, no bids on a price yet. Looks good though.
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99654

I got mine for $85 shipped CANADIAN $
Thats like $60usd.

Now look at it. The ULE body alone to buy new is almost 4x that amount lol.

I'll keep an eye out for you cuz that is where I am most of the time.

[jwong]

Originally posted by PSYCHO+LOGICAL

.....
I can't stress the fact enough that mags come stock with pretty much The best regulator on the market and with give you +3/-3fps or less variance between shots. The X-Valve is even better.
......


Psycho,

I thought stock Mags do not come with a regulator? Is the X-valve not just a valve?

I've seen a few players using mags and one player using a Classic. One guy was running HPA to his classic and I think the only reg there was the reg on the HPA tank.

Cheers

[PRORAPTOR]

My powerstation gets +/-2 so i guess it isnt the best reg...
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[PSYCHO+LOGICAL]

All mags come stock with a wicked regulator.

I said that.

The piece at the back of the main body is the reg, valve, powertube and on the end of the powertube going into the body is the bolt.

X-Valves are the same thing, only better machining and the valve body is made of aluminum instead of stainless steel so they are way lighter and combined with a ULE body, makes a very light and balanced marker. Plus the X-Valve comes with a Level 10 bolt.

Look here:
http://www.airgun.com/Products/2500.shtml

Parts number 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, and 32 make up the regulator which, when assembled, fits into that silver back chunk with the stars on it.

And I said 'pretty much' the best, PRORAPTER.

A tank reg like a flatline or something only restricts airflow because that is dual regulating which is kind of uneccessary. It might give you better consistency but I don't know what it would do to efficiency. Just remember; better consistency = better accuracy. That is why I am stressing regulator quality.

I think the best thing you can do with your tank that might make your shots even more consistant is maybe have a set output of like 700psi so it isn't as hard on your reg cuz there is a blow-off valve that is factory set to vent pressures over 650psi anyways so 1000psi output is kind of overdoing it.

Don't ask me. I've never played paintball before in my life.

[PRORAPTOR]

Yes you do try to rip little kids off and learn how to spell my name...thats the 4th time you have spelled it wrong
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[PSYCHO+LOGICAL]

Omfg, it's not like PRORAPTOR is an important name to remember or anything.

How many times do I have to tell you that the person I am dealing with is like 20 and how can I rip him off if he has both of the tanks. I am actually giving him a better deal than he wanted.

I suggest everyone reading this go here and see how little intelligence this dude has:
http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=169089&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

Give it up and stop ruining peoples posts you loser.

ANYWAYS.

If anyone has any questions about mags, pm me and I will answer them to the best of my ability.

[PSYCHO+LOGICAL]

BTW

Is there an electro frame for the BKO with a better solenoid?

[caNCer420]

ya, its foriegn made, somewhere from BC.

[F.O.D.]

there are no electro frames with better solonoids

there are aftermarket frames that you can get
plus the noid is not the only object in question, the ram would have to be changed too so instead of wasteing 200+ dollars on a 300 dollar gun, go out and buy a bushy

[PSYCHO+LOGICAL]

Originally posted by caNCer420
ya, its foriegn made, somewhere from BC.

What is that supposed to mean?

What is the difference between the BKO and the B2k (besides a huge price difference)?

[F.O.D.]

Originally posted by PSYCHO+LOGICAL


What is that supposed to mean?

What is the difference between the BKO and the B2k (besides a huge price difference)?

if only there was a faq for this sort of question:rolleyes:

[caNCer420]

Originally posted by PSYCHO+LOGICAL


What is that supposed to mean?

What is the difference between the BKO and the B2k (besides a huge price difference)?
u silly limmy

[P8ntball2x]

Originally posted by caNCer420
it was a joke our canadian friend:laugh: canada is not bad, impluses are kinda ***. so you break even. and now its time for you to get your frozen canadian *****$ back to the gimpluse forum before i get tom green to come kick your butt.

I like canada i can get ice hockey stuff cheaper up there than in the states. and goalie wow thats alot of money.:atten:

[No_DAMN_NAMES]

Originally posted by P8ntball2x


I like canada i can get ice hockey stuff cheaper up there than in the states. and goalie wow thats alot of money.:atten: Its because hockey is more played here, allowing for a lower price. Which is good, because I've went through alot of hockey equiptment.

[STUEY]

I agree with PHSYCHO LOGICAL, automags are very nice guns, get one cheap on ebay, do the trade they have for an RT valve, or the new Xvalve and you will get the level 10 bolt with it, and if you guys think the more orings the more problems, well maybe on cheap a** blowbacks, not on mags, they have high quality orings. but i owned that mag for 2 years and it has never ever leaked, or not worked, and it was basically stock expect for a barrel, and runing it on n2 of course, and it was probably one of the most reliable guns i have ever owned. agree or disagree with me, mags are probably the best stock guns in the 400 dollar price range

[fancynapkin]

I had the same problem deciding between mag and bko, bko won.

you all talk about all of these upgrades you need to make the automag a decent gun, intelli feed, lvl 10, x-valve, adding up to a gun that costs a grand. not worth the moeny or the time. a stock bko already somes with an awsome trigger, a decent barrel, and bottom line. automags needs a sack of money to make it worthy, and in the end, they end up on ebay.

buy the BKO. the automag has no big advantage over the bko. yes its more reliable, so what, its not like you drop your gun off buildings or run it over.

[STUEY]

well when you pay a grand for a setup, your gonna get a nice setup, i mean bkos are alright guns, i used to have one but it just doesnt keep up, and in my mind it is probably the worst attempt by ICD to make a cheaper version of the bushy, it is a very good marker in its price range, but comparing a nice mag with a nice bko, just isnt fair. The mag would own the bko any day of the week. The materials that the bko is made of is pretty weak and cheap, but then again you get what you pay for, if your into looks you will prally like the bko more then a mag, but now there is xmags and all that good stuff! if your trying to decide between a bko and a mag, save some money get the mag, get a few upgrades and it will be a lot better in the long run, hope that helped to answer any questions

[fancynapkin]

Originally posted by STUEY
well when you pay a grand for a setup, your gonna get a nice setup, i mean bkos are alright guns, i used to have one but it just doesnt keep up, and in my mind it is probably the worst attempt by ICD to make a cheaper version of the bushy, it is a very good marker in its price range, but comparing a nice mag with a nice bko, just isnt fair. The mag would own the bko any day of the week. The materials that the bko is made of is pretty weak and cheap, but then again you get what you pay for, if your into looks you will prally like the bko more then a mag, but now there is xmags and all that good stuff! if your trying to decide between a bko and a mag, save some money get the mag, get a few upgrades and it will be a lot better in the long run, hope that helped to answer any questions

in that case buy a impulse

[STUEY]

ya possibly, but only a high end imp

[fancynapkin]

Originally posted by STUEY
ya possibly, but only a high end imp

in my opinion, the classic mags are not good. they really dont have an advantage over any other gun on the market. and you can upgrade a BKO to be better than an imp. B2K3's are also better than Imps, and we really shouldn't be supporting smart parts anyways, even if they do have the right to sue.

[STUEY]

yea the classic mag isnt to great, but once you get a few important upgrades like new trigger frame, barrel and probably lvl10, you will be able to keep up with a lot of people. Also you can definitely upgrade a bko to be better then an imp, a lot of things are, no offense to you die hard impy owners out there. but i just dont like imps and especially dont like SP, i will never buy any of their products, and i hope no one else does either, i will gladly explain as to whats going on here, to some of the people that dont know what i am talking about.
impulses are a cheap copy of a bushy, they used the cheapest parts they could get their hands on and hten jack up the prices on their big metal shoe box sized markers that seem to just never work.

[No_DAMN_NAMES]

Originally posted by fancynapkin


in my opinion, the classic mags are not good. they really dont have an advantage over any other gun on the market. and you can upgrade a BKO to be better than an imp. B2K3's are also better than Imps, and we really shouldn't be supporting smart parts anyways, even if they do have the right to sue. Why? Why are B2K3's better?

[STUEY]

first of, quality- the b2ks are so much better built, and smarter built. you can take it apart and clean it in a matter of seconds. better parts used for the bushys, i think performance is a little bit better, more consistent because of the lpr, the impy doesnt have one stock. and looks if that matters anything to anyone. i think im speaking for most people when i say that bushys just look better, but no offense to any of you who own imps, its all personal preference, the gun is just there to get the job done

[jdw_56]

i definately think stock b2ks look better than stock impy's. but rat impys or eclipses or anything like that look awesome, though i still hate them. and yea, i agree with stuey

[No_DAMN_NAMES]

I'd think stock impulses are more efficient, from personal experience. I shoot like +-2 now that my reg is broken in, and my friend is at +-5 with his Bushy. And stock, yeah a impulse doesn't look too good. But custom impys are amazing. To each his own.

[fancynapkin]

bushy's have one of the best and most adjustable triggers i have seen. they come with sweet milling, a derlin bolt and a decent barrel. yeah they dont come with a max-flo, so what, it comes with LPR and a decent stock reg. that can be upgraded for little.

I really wish I could get a mag but in my opinion it wouldn't be a big step up for me. mags are really heavey also so thats another big factor. they are easy to short stroke on, they NEED lvl 10, I dont understand AGD at all. why the **** dont they include it???? Mags are for some people, usually people who enjoyed the tippy m98c....

as for the BKO im going for it. and It can compeat with high end elctros, all it really needs is a new HPR and a new barrel and you've got your self a imp killer....

[P8ntball2x]

Originally posted by fancynapkin
as for the BKO im going for it. and It can compeat with high end elctros, all it really needs is a new HPR and a new barrel and you've got your self a imp killer....

Also get a Chaos Board and a new valve. and youll be ripping good luck with the BKO

[Nixon]

Don't forget the SP mod..... eh, hehehe Strange Brew rocks!