Low Pressure Cocker@@@@@!!!???

[Rexel16]

I have a pretty tricked cocker, but im not exactly sure on how to make it low pressure. I have a Vigilante regulator w/guage, Palmers micro front regulator, clippard ram, and i am using a 68ci 3000psi air america raptor tank. Can someone please let me know on how to make it low pressure. The parts i need etc. Anything would help.

Thanks

Marc:)

[Saiyan_warrior]

Im guessing you'll need a new bolt Like a ANS quick pull bolt or a Shocktech delrin "superfly" bolt. Also you'll need a new valve Like a AKA tornado valve or Madmann rocket valve. Also Get a Shocktech Bomb 3 way If you havent already, which im not sure will help for lp, but will decrease your trigger pull.

[pr0kch0p]

it wont automatically shorten your trigger pull, it will allow you to make your trigger shorter when you do a trigger job on it.

and what is your definition of low pressure? what pressure are you running right now?

250psi is pretty low for cockers, so i would consider anything around that to be low pressure. do you have the LP or HP springs for the vigi, because you need to LP springs to run at low pressure, thus the low pressure springs.

[Silent Knight]

well Rexel16,

aside from what you have now you don't need much more to go low pressure on a cocker. Considering WGP cockers come from the factory preset at roughtly 450psi (standard/vert feed). Comparing this to your typical blowback the Autococker is already considered low pressure operation. To go super low pressure, you would need to upgrade your Valve like Saiyan_warrior said. A high flow valve is the most important part of going LP. If you are looking for 200-250psi operating pressure, then I recommend getting a new set of spring for your gun. Also a high flowing bolt like the AKA lightning bolt. You might also want to get a LPC

[krasher]

If you have a 2k cocker, you can make it LP by just fooling around with light springs and input pressure. You can get down to about 230psi or so, depending on how effecient you want to run it.
My friend can run his STO at 140 psi, with not the best effeciency, but with the stock valve.

[DasBaldDog]

An STO at 140 won't fire a ball at 200 fps, much less 300. SOrry dude but that's crap. It may COCK at 140 but it sure as hell doesn't fire that low. The Black Widow Cockers were the lowest shooting cockers flat out and they could only do 170. I have a cocker that I have LP'd out the ying yang. It has the Nelson Hammer kit, the Shocktech cell, the high flow ram, the ANS front reg, the DRILLED out Tornado valve, I've had the inside of the valve assemble and body milled to increase flow, I've had two more air holes drilled into the V-CA, using dual macoline hoses, AKALMP lightning bolt and I've shot it using hellfire and a Javelin barrel and I can only get mine down to about 180 or so.

[Saiyan_warrior]

I heard body like the AKA merlin bodys can Go down to about 140 or so psi and tricked out to the max also But I may be wrong, but thats what I have heard

[DasBaldDog]

The only thing the body has to do with is the valve body size and the size of the VA ports and the smoothness of the inside and that won't make that much of a difference.

[Weasel00]

I have a friend that has his cocker running at 200 psi with a stock valve and stock springs.

Upgrades:

Kapp LPR
Kapp 3 way
Shocktech ram
ACI hammer kit

It will fire a ball at over 300 fps at this pressure. It is also extremely efficient.

Jared

[DasBaldDog]

You made two outrageous claims.

#1.You CANNOT run 200 with a stock valve, not unless he has MAJOR bored the thing out which would probably have some adverse effects on its function.

#2. If you are running such a low pressure, that means you must have VERY high flow to get enough power to push the ball at 300. If you have high flow, then you are NOT making efficient use of your gas. A cocker running below 275 is NOT efficient, no matter what you have on it.

[Weasel00]

Say what you want. I have been there and seen it. It is a stock body with a stock valve. He is running a Mac Dev inline reg and it is set at 200psi (the gauge shows just below infact). I shot 200 rounds through his 114 3000 filled to 900 psi and it read 700 psi when I was done. I know you are the god to all cockers, but you are wrong on this one. I was extremely shocked at this too, but it is entirely true.

Jared

[$horT_$trokE]

actually, aka says the ball detent plays part in the added LP that merlins give. i have been told its on their site, but havnt looked for it. i ran my old cobra at 190 and it seemed to be pretty efficient. but thats with aka everything. my merlin should be the ultimate in lp with what will be on it but we shall see.


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[DasBaldDog]

Wease, you are WRONG beyond all comprehension. The inline reg has nothing to do with it beyond keeping the pressure at a certain point. A stock valve CANNOT run and fire at below 200. You are mistaken, fooled, or just flat out lying.

I can say that I have been there and seen a stock cocker running 1 psi but that doesn't make it so. You have say that you're shocked too but that doesn't change the fact that I'm not shocked. I am in no way shocked that someone would make an outrageous claim about their gun.