Good news about the SP thing

[slushii]

Ok there is good news about the whole smart parts lawsuit

here it is-

Smart Parts, Inc. and National Paintball Supply, Inc. today announced the
signing of a Patent License Agreement giving National Paintball Supply
rights to make, sell, offer for sale, and distribute products covered by
Smart Parts¹ electronic paintball gun patents.

this is a direct quote for pbstar.com here is the link

http://www.paintballstar.com/pn/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=55

[PointyObjects]

told you they would still sell eletric guns:crazy:

[Hoplon]

It's not good news if your ICD, AGD, exc.

[PointyObjects]

who really cares about ICD?:laugh:

[MadSquabble]

alot of people :rolleyes:

[2002COCKERBOY]

people, jeez, a patent license agreement costs money. that means that unless national paintball supply is sellin smart parts guns, the prices will prolly go up on other guns.

[woolf]

Originally posted by PointyObjects
who really cares about ICD?:laugh:


who cares about u huh who? who?

[PointyObjects]

not many people anymore:mad:

[PointyObjects]

sorry:( i luv ICD

[HP_Lovecraft]

The reason NPS "bent over" for SP is that NPS sells ALOT OF ELECTROS.
For example, they are the sole distributor for Timmys, which is the "hottest" gun in paintball right now.

The funny thing is that NPS bowed to SP to protect Bob Long the day after Smart Parts served bob a notice to appear in court...

Nice..

Nick

[toolfan60]

plus they have **** loads of moneyso they were prolly thinkin"lets just finish this now and get on with our sales"

[FalloutMan]

nps didnt bow to them they signed an agreement saying you dont sue us and we wont burry your *** into the ground. gino(pres of nps) has ALOT of money and could easily smash smart parts.

dye also signed an agreement because they could also take smart parts for alot of money because of the 03 shocker and its similarity to the matrix

[Beatmanias]

basically sp got no sh1t to start with in the first place.

[Azn_gansta]

Originally posted by toolfan60
plus they have **** loads of moneyso they were prolly thinkin"lets just finish this now and get on with our sales"
yeah u know that for a fact and you too FallOutMan :rolleyes:

But if SP is so greedy y did they sign the agreement when they could have got so much money for fee71741541456114611JBb!Hg!YU1gy1ft1fdetsxnvg.gh.]][nh\]\''1s and royalties!11!11!!!!!!!!11!11!!1!!!!111!!11!1!!RRRR 71!r1Rr!11r!R1f!Y1fyr!Sre!s!R!S1F!UFIg!OIigph!1145 6841+861!

[toolfan60]

Originally posted by Azn_gansta

yeah u know that for a fact and you too FallOutMan :rolleyes:

But if SP is so greedy y did they sign the agreement when they could have got so much money for fee71741541456114611JBb!Hg!YU1gy1ft1fdetsxnvg.gh.]][nh\]\''1s and royalties!11!11!!!!!!!!11!11!!1!!!!111!!11!1!!RRRR 71!r1Rr!11r!R1f!Y1fyr!Sre!s!R!S1F!UFIg!OIigph!1145 6841+861!

actually,i do know that for a fact,it is put in my own words but its basically the same,u see,my dads odl teammate is the manager or something for nps and he told my dad that:P ,so dont hate if u dont know.And ur retarded if u dont think nps has lots of cash cause they do.

[Azn_gansta]

my dads bro cuzes friend sister brother is Billy Gardner, And he said they wanted to take over NPS but realized they could MAKE MO MONEY!! with nps. :rolleyes:

[toolfan60]

no im not ****in playin around,my dads old teammate greg muller works there and told my dad,u ****in dumass:rolleyes:

[Commando52]

hahaha bye bye ICD...................

also read the sig

[toolfan60]

i agree with ur sig,any anti sp are morons.

[p8ntball1016]

Originally posted by Commando52
hahaha bye bye ICD...................

also read the sig What do you have against ICD?

[toolfan60]

he prolly has nothing,hes just saying that they wont make it through this lawsuit,unless hella people start buying their guns

[Azn_gansta]

Originally posted by toolfan60
no im not ****in playin around,my dads old teammate greg muller works there and told my dad,u ****in dumass:rolleyes:
but but my daddy said but my daddy said but my STFU! no one gives a crap. Meh daddy is Adam gardner and hes gonna take over NPS and fire greg muller (who the hell is he?). IN YO FACE HOMESKILLET! PUT THAT IN UR PIPE AN' SMOKE IT!

[toolfan60]

i dont smoke,and u must not have,many friends if ur adam gardners son,hella people hate him,and god damn it took u a LONG time to reply,u must have searched all over to come up with that *** response.but i wont reply anymore since this is the stupidest thread ever.

[spyderlover321]

I can only get 9 on my off hand:mad:

[Beatmanias]

u guys stop it... lets not start a war here

[Azn_gansta]

OR its called having a life and not camping out on PBR all afternoon and night

[toolfan60]

but u were here,u were still in this forum for a long time,my friend told me and i saw you here.

[Azn_gansta]

u can shut the **** up anytime

[toolfan60]

ok,but that time hasnt come yet,anyways back on topic,i wish smart parts good luck on all their lawsuits:P

[Commando52]

same here..

The smartest company survives.. look at windows and mr. bill gates.... brilliant and legitimate buisness man...

What sp is doin is not illigal, its actually very clever.. They just want a secure spot in the industry.. also trying to beat the horrid economy...

Long Live Smart Parts...

[chibissj]

*sigh i like sp but i believe they will lose.

[Commando52]

explain your reasoning?

[spencer_dale]

Originally posted by toolfan60
i agree with ur sig,any anti sp are morons.

You act like we are all one person. Sure there are ALOT of idiots that say "Yeah screw Smart Parts, BOOOO" and other crap like that spmaing up forums, but alot of us, me, HP_Lovecraft and many more go about discussing SP with our minds and not just useing fowl languge to get our point across.

[Infiltrator]

Does this mean any future electro guns created have to pay SP? For now all the current electros nps sells is safe I guess.

[Beatmanias]

thats what it would mean.... unless some company can create something electro and not use switches to turn on...

[Radius]

No switches?

Why not just a solenoid operated marker with a PIC processor using transistors/relays to operate the system?

No switches present in that one!

[Commando52]

um yeah like on mp5's there is a knob for off/semi/ and full auto... plus the knobs looks cool

[Lurker27]

Mcdonalds would be able to sue Burger King if they dols Big Macs.

However, what SP is doing is analogous to Mcdonalds suing burger king because they sell sandwiches.

[toolfan60]

and coke could sue pepsi,since pepsi made vanilla pepsi:|

[PaintballerX]

How about this: all of you keep your mouths closed, because NONE of you know jack about how business works.

[spencer_dale]

Originally posted by PaintballerX
How about this: all of you keep your mouths closed, because NONE of you know jack about how business works.
Yeah, your right, we are just a bunch of idiots! So you better stop reading all of this, or your gonna get dumb AHHH!
Besides, you might get banned for that.

[p8ntball1016]

Originally posted by PaintballerX
How about this: all of you keep your mouths closed, because NONE of you know jack about how business works. then why dont you enlighten oh wise one.:rolleyes:

[toolfan60]

:nod: ,dont be mad because u havent learned how business works yet,we all know 4th grade is a hard time:P

[Lurker27]

Smart parts has nothing IMO... They don't have a patent on any of the components inherent in a pbgun, they do't have the first electric pb gun, and they don't have a particularly strong compelling case that the shocker or impulse got ripped off.

[toolfan60]

BUT,they have the patent to all of that stuff so it doesnt matter if they didnt make the first electro.plus nps has already payed,so they r not stoping now

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

if they didnt have a chance, then why did nps sign that deal?

[p8ntball1016]

Originally posted by toolfan60
:nod: ,dont be mad because u havent learned how business works yet,we all know 4th grade is a hard time:P and yet you got through the 4th grade in only 6 years.:rolleyes:

[Racso]

Who ever said the thing about McDonalds suing BK because they both sell burgers is right. If SP gets through with this, then the first company to make a pb gun barrel can patent it and then sue EVERY company that makes any kind of pb barrel. Even worse, the first company to make a paintball itself can patent it, then sue almost every other company, or sell rights. After doing this, they could sell their pb's for so cheap that other companys couldn't even compete with the money they spent in the suit or buying rights that they would all stop make pb's because of loss of profits on them. This is really stupid what SP is doing because they are patenting something AFTER it was widely copied.

PLUS, I'm not a 100% sure but i think i heard somewhere that patents only last a couple years (for some odd reason 7 years comes to mind) then cannot be patented anymore.

[Beatmanias]

its 15 years i think

[toolfan60]

Originally posted by p8ntball1016
and yet you got through the 4th grade in only 6 years.:rolleyes:

what the hell dude,r u pms'ing or somethin?i wasnt even talking to u,and stop discussing ur own problems.

[Blacksheep]

I am guessing that NPS didn't bend over for anyone. Self-respect and ego have a lot to do with any company, such as the PSP and NXL not allowing other players into their league from the other league: protecting the league.

Same with NPS. I believe Smart Parts is trying to look good now, they've take a LOT of heat and are undoubtedly feeling the reprecussions of things. Its a culmination of these suits, their Shocker and Nerve delays, and poor customer service. I believe that Smart Parts either was the first to sign or they didn't try to fight too hard over signing or NPS may have released information...and that would have really buried Smart Parts.

Patents cannot...

1) Create a monopoly
2) Hinder growth and progress (anyone remember US History?)

The Smart Parts patent is not technically valid, rather, some moron decided to just let it go without thinking about it as things tend to go that way in the legal system.

[Housemaster]

To the guy that said Bill Gates is a brilliant legitimate businessman, he set up a Monopoly. That's why the Department of Justice was after him.

He is a brilliant businessman though.

From a business point of view, Smart Parts is insanely smart.

From a player's point of view, it's kinda bad for the sport.

I stand somewhere in the middle on this whole issue. I mean yeah, Smart Parts is suing a bunch of people. But also, the huge paintball companies like Brass Eagle, Kingman, etc are going to go down fighting, if they do go down. Smart Parts' patent impedes technology, so it will probably get invalidated or something.

Something's gonna happen, all paintball companies will be fine, the boycott will stop, yadda yadda yadda.

I'm not worried by any means, but I do wish Smart Parts would stop. The link in my sig is way overkill, I mean paintball Nazis? Seriously, is Smart Parts killing people? Murdering Jewish women and children for pointless reasons? No. But it does get the point across I guess.

I'm set with my Trracer and JT. Even if some **** does happen, someone will find a probably better way around it that renders e-frames obsolete.

So quit worrying.

[toolfan60]

correction,they cant hit be for there guns since they arent electric,unless s sues cause of the excelerator 1,2,3,etc.

[spencer_dale]

Originally posted by Racso

...PLUS, I'm not a 100% sure but i think i heard somewhere that patents only last a couple years (for some odd reason 7 years comes to mind) then cannot be patented anymore.
That's true. It is some where around seven years, after that, if they don't change it in sme way, it's up for grabs, and the patent is void. That is how we got coca cola classic, and vanilla coke. They have to put a new spin on it some how, or else they lose the patent.

[Lurker27]

IIRC it's 11 years.

[spencer_dale]

Oh, my bad. The # 7 stuck out in my mind also.

[PaintballerX]

Originally posted by spencer_dale

Yeah, your right, we are just a bunch of idiots! So you better stop reading all of this, or your gonna get dumb AHHH!
Besides, you might get banned for that.

Yes, I might get banned for it.

Kid, I've said things 20x worse than that and haven't even been warned for it.

Until we have a definitive answer on what's actually, TRULY happening (since all we know is what the media has told us), we shouldn't be for or against SP because of it. When are you dolts going to get the fact that we don't know anything about what's going on through your head? Jesus...

[FalloutMan]

the thing about the patents expiring does not matter in this case because what smart parts did is do something(i forget what exactly i think they kept "revising" it basically having it float along until the market was full of electros then let the broad one set in now) that made it last all these years.

[spencer_dale]

Originally posted by PaintballerX


...When are you dolts going to get the fact that we don't know anything about what's going on through your head? Jesus...
What's a "Dolt"?:eyes:

[toolfan60]

:laugh:

[Angelfishy]

To patent any electro marker, SP must prove they were the genuine designer of the first electro. And from what I hear, they're not.

Even if they are going after everything from switches to buttons on electro markers, they must prove the had invented ALL of it.

It would be like someone patenting anything with a bun, lettuce, tomato, pickles, onions and beef and charging burger king and McD's 5$ for each one they sell. Then they win the patent. Obviously this would not happen in real life, but in the sick dreams of men. Kinda like SP is doing.

Man will do anything for money. Alas this world is full of greed.:(