BKO or Impulse???

[Dragun-n00b]

I really need help guys, I plan to go inot some amateur 3 man tournaments next year and I need to know which I should get. Will the BKO cause me non stop problems or is it an actual solid gun that has a medium amount of up keep? Is it less of a hastle than an Impulse? In your opinions what should i get?

[gregicd]

get a good used B2K you will be happier with it. plus you can get a ton of mods for it.

[ayzian]

I seriously would not buy anything from Smart Parts.

Being an ICD marker owner, you might think that I'm biased towards Smart Parts.

Maybe I trash talk about SP stuff because I'm ICD all the way?

Nope... my teammate has an Impulse and it shoots fjust fine without any problems.

But the way SP has been going about lately makes me despise SP in every single way.

The actions they are taking show exactly how avaricious and just plain greedy SP really is.

From now on, no matter if they win the lawsuit or lose it, I will never buy anything from Smart Parts.

[Dragun-n00b]

Well i could care less about the law suit, thats buisness and lifes unfair...no point complaining about it, this sort of thing happens all the time in buisness....people wouldnt go into buisness if they werent trying to make as much money as possible. *no offense*. but with that said and done will a BKO give me problems....?(Please no more debateing about smart parts...i just want some tips on what I should buy)

[PRORAPTOR]

Dont buy an ICD gun......They are going to go down the drain if SP wins the lawsuit and you dont care so buy an impulse....I dont like helping noobs anyways
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[Dragun-n00b]

Well and anyways dont worry about the law suit. Your not allowed ot patent anytihng that will stunt the growth of technology, so Smart Parts cant win in the first place And if your not gonna help me shows how much you like your ICD, ill jsut go ask this in a forum where people arent gonna ignore me.

[PRORAPTOR]

BYE! Dont let the door hit you in the *** on the way out!
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[gregicd]

(BYE! Dont let the door hit you in the *** on the way out!)

NOT COOL!!!!

I would shoot both markers and go with the one that you like the best. The BKO is reliable. Like all markers if you don't know how to tune them they can give you fits.

[PRORAPTOR]

Very cool........I dont put up with ****
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[Dragun-n00b]

PRORAPTOR, i really dont believe I was trying to insult you or input anger in you towards me in any way shape or form, lets just all get along...theres no point to get mad at someone on a forum cause it doesnt help you or anyone in the forum and if im correct forums are somewhat for helping people and getting mad wont help anyone. "Greg ICD" thats a good idea im gonna head to my local pro shops and see fi they have a verision of the BKO and the Impulse then ill decide for myself. But what id really like to know which can really figure out form shooting a gun in a proshop is, is it worth the extra $200(canadian) to get the impulse?

[ayzian]

I don't care if SP can't win the lawsuit.

It just shows how money hungry and stupid they are for trying to pull off a stunt like this.

And if they don't win, SP will have very little support for the rest of their future... if they even have one.

I'd say get a BKO.

My friend has an impulse and it shoots nice but I like my BKO... just because I own it :-)

Oh yea, my BKO's pretty nice too.

[Dragun-n00b]

Yaa, but I heard BKOs crap out....no one really explains it...when it craps out is it usually a huge problem or just in need of some oil and ajustments? Yaa but why boycott a company thats just trying to scqueeze every once of money out of everyone...in buisness you suppose ot kill your competition, i guess this is Smart Parts way of doing it, it sucks but I guess thats what buisness is all about....cause 75% of buisnesses do it.

[jwong]

ImpYa has had experience with an Impulse and also his current BKO.

His comments are most helpful if you can find the thread; it was recent.

Essentially, to summarize, his thoughts are that the Impulse is NOT tourney ready right out of the box. The B2K is more tourney ready right out of the box.

Cheers

[PRORAPTOR]

I to have owned a RAT impulse......

Here are my problems with the impulse:

No LPR
FSDO
Aluminum stock bolt (delrin is much better)
Heavier than bushmaster
Not as balanced as a bushy
Tolerances arent very tight
Vision eye is one sided and will not read all types of paint

The only thing I liked about the impulse over the bushy or BKO is there are no wires in the thing....Its awesome, The motherboard and daughter board simply hook together when you attach the tray to the body of the gun.

You have to spend a lot more money to get the impulse to perform as good as a bushmaster/BKO right out of the box....I dont see why those impulse owners would even think of buying one....Oh well too make a long story short I sold the impulse a week later and bought a bushmaster and have never looked back.........This is my second bushmaster they are great guns...
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[Rich4444]

From the Impy's I've seen, they seem to be a solid gun. My local field owner has one, and he seemed to be really impressed by the weight of my BKO compared to his Impulse.

I've felt like I had troubles with my BKO, but I'm a new owner, and I think I might have mastered the issues now. I'm hoping to go test it out again tonight or this weekend if nothing else. The BKO is a little Finikey?sp? to adjust at first, I will say that.

I dont think any marker will just "crap out" on you for no reason. The BKO is made with quality from what I see. I've heard alot of people say Spyders will crap out on you too, and I've been playing with a Spyder as my backup and for rec ball with the newbs, and have little problems with it ever, except a custom bolt that was crap. All the stock equipment has held up, and I abuse it pretty good now that its a backup. Most people who have severe problems, are having them because they cannot diagnose whats wrong, because they dont have the tools, or experience, to determine the problem and fix it.

I don't know if the lawsuit is fair or not... I guess the best bet is to let a court decide, and try to read the transcripts afterwards. But from what I've read, it might be a good indication to the attitude of the company, that you might have to deal with after purchasing a product from them.

[Eric_G]

I would say no matter which one you get, you will love it. I know a lot of people with Impulses(which is why Id rather be the odd-ball of the group and own something different) and they seem to be great markers. Smart Parts makes high quality products just like ICD makes high quality products.

- Both guns have good rate of fire
- Have good aftermarket capabilities
- Pretty small
- lightweight
- accuracy
- Both are decent out of the box markers

The main thing the BKO has that puts the Impulse away is the price. =) You can buy a BKO from paintballgear.com for $260 and have an extra $150(or so...) that you would have spent on the Impulse to spend on parts for the BKO.

I dont personally own either of these markers, but ive heard great things about both. So good luck on finding your marker.

[PRORAPTOR]

and for $260 you get a LPR! lol unlike the impulse...that will run you close to $100 right there

[Dragun-n00b]

well, LPR is that the thing that goes right under the barrel, looks kinda like a bottel cap? Ive decided to buy a BKO, if I ever have problems with it, will you guys help me out?

[PRORAPTOR]

Actually on a BKO the LPR is right behind the HPR or high pressure regulator...On the bushmaster the LPR is right under the barrel

[jwong]

Originally posted by Dragun-n00b
well, LPR is that the thing that goes right under the barrel, looks kinda like a bottel cap? Ive decided to buy a BKO, if I ever have problems with it, will you guys help me out?

Like ProRaptor says, the LPR on the BKO is the little black thing between the HPR and the trigger guard.

As for help.... this forum is a great place to get advice on your BKO. I've learned lots about the BKO from people here.

Cheers

[ImpYa]

I have posted this many times and just pulled this up from another thread...
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I owned an Imp with Jackhammer LPR, steel hammer, blade trigger, and ND Silk Shot. I would take the B2k3 or even my BKO over it any day.

If you dont get a Silk Shot you will have FSDO.

Another thing to think about is, do you want a gun that requires upgrades to fixs its design flaws? Such as a tapeworm($20) for bolt stick, silk shot($25) for FSDO, and you will want to upgrade the stock trigger ASAP. I havent ran into a person who likes the stock Impulse trigger. That will run you up another $20.

So now a $400 gun is going is going to be more like $465 to be up to par with a B2k3.

Unlike the Impulse, the B2k comes with a good trigger, LPR, and it doesnt suffer from bolt stick or FSDO.

The bushy needs no upgrades to perform great...the Impulse does.

Another thing is the MaxFlo...you will want to get a vertical. Even ask over at the SP Forums. Almost everyone will recommend the vertical maxflo. The horizontal limits where you can put the tank. When you upgrade to the vertical, it will run you up some bills.

People think the Impulse is the gun that is "ready to go out of the box", but I feel it should be the Bushy.

ImpYa
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I know the Impulse in and out like the back of my hand so most of the time guys come to me at my field and ask me to check out their guns. Some days they have FSDO other days they wont. Its a pain having to make sure your ram is lubed just right so you wont suffer from FSDO bad.

The rest of my reasons are stated above.

ImpYa

[Dragun-n00b]

Whats this FSDO, sounds like a major problem, cause people seem to talk about it alot?

[PRORAPTOR]

first shot drop off.....When you shoot you first shot it doesnt go that far....
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[ShootPaint]

You really shouldnt compare the BKO and the Impulse. They are two completely different markers.
If you want to compare a ICD product to the Impulse you need to compare it to the B2K.
The BKO has a 2way noid. This blows the ram assembly forward and a spring recocks the marker. The Impulse and the B2K both use four war noids. They blow the ram assembly forward as well as recock it with air. This allows for a faster cycling marker and a more consistant marker as well. The more consistant you make the marker the more accurate the marker will be.
If you want to compare the B2K vs the Impulse make sure to spec out the prices on the Pulse to bring it up to the same level as the B2K.
A couple of things I know you will need to add to the Pulse to get it to B2K standards.

LPR w/ Tapeworm
Magno trigger (or some after market trigger)
Vertical HPR
Color options (havent looked recently but this use to be a $100 more for anything other than black)

By the time you add all these prices up you will well exceed the cost of the B2K.

If you feel you must go with the BKO here are some things you will need to bring it up to the Impulse level.

HPR
Mitey Max or Vapor Valve cap
Vapor valve, red valve (some high flow valve)

By adding these three items you will improve the shot to shot consistancy of the marker as well as the shot count per fill. The BKO will be able to achieve a higher shot count/psi than either the current B2K or the Impulse.

One final thing to consider when purchasing the BKO. It is mechanically limited to around 17bps. If you go with the Pulse or the B2K you will have a mechanical firing limitation around 25bps.

Good luck hope you get the marker you want/need.

[Dragun-n00b]

Wow, now reading that I dont know if I want a BKO, seem like they arent as good as a Impulse out of the box. The BKO isnt a open bolt blowback is it? cause I dislike those. I dont know if I can afford a B2K with my job, and if I need to upgrade an Impulse to make it good, I dont tinhk I can afford that. Well what are some things that will make the BKO a very consistent marker?

[caNCer420]

what were trying to explain to you is that the bko and imp cant really be compared as their 2 different guns. if you can afford a imp, then u can afford a b2k as they are in the same price range and you can find used ones cheaper. now the bko is awesome gun for the price. if icd were to charge an extra 75 bucks for the bko would still buy it, so it is very, very, very compettivly priced. stock the gun is sweet and u dont have to upgrade it, but some ppl do.

[ShootPaint]

Originally posted by Dragun-n00b
The BKO isnt a open bolt blowback is it? cause I dislike those. I dont know if I can afford a B2K with my job, and if I need to upgrade an Impulse to make it good, I dont tinhk I can afford that. Well what are some things that will make the BKO a very consistent marker?

The BKO, Impulse and B2K are all open bolt markers. I dont think you can really call them a blow back because they dont use any of the exhaust gas from the valve to recock them. The BKO uses a spring to recock.

The B2K and the Impulse both use air to control a ram assembly. The ram assembly is connected to the bolt through the bolt pin. Air is applied to the rear of the ram assembly to send the hammer and the bolt forward. Air is applied to the front of the ram assembly to recock the bolt and hammer.

All three markers fire from the closed bolt position.

If you can afford a BKO get it. They are great markers. I have one in my collection and it works great. If you want to improve the preformance of the marker there are a couple of things to look at. The first thing I would do is replace the stock valve and add a Mitey Max of a Vapor Valve end cap. This will increase the shot count of the BKO anywhere from 10-50%. This also helps with the consistancy of the marker as well. The next thing I would do is replace the HPR. The reason I would do this is for consistancy. My personal BKO is about + or - 3-4FPS. I recently built a marker for a customer we replaced all parts but the valve cap and his marker only varied 1FPS over 50 shots!!!! The BKO can be pretty consistant right out of the box provided you adjust the regs properly. The consistantcy wont be as good as with a aftermarket reg and new valve but you should be able to keep it around + or- 5-7fps.

If you have any further questions let us know.

[Dragun-n00b]

Well I was reading somewhere the BKOs boards are capped at 10bps, is this true? And can you put custom anodizing on a BKO? I really want a black to silver fade.

[caNCer420]

bkos can shoot 17+bps.

[jwong]

Originally posted by Dragun-n00b
Well I was reading somewhere the BKOs boards are capped at 10bps, is this true? And can you put custom anodizing on a BKO? I really want a black to silver fade.

First Gen - boards capped at 10bps.

The new ones have boards that will outshoot the abilities of the Ram assembly. The Ram assembly will reliably shoot at 17bps. The board is capped at 22bps (I believe that's accurate).

As for rate of fire..... my local field is field-paint-only and charges $8/100. That's 8cents per paintball. Shooting at 10bps will run you 80cents per second.

I say work on technique and less so on laying down paint.

Cheers

[caNCer420]

thats why i buy cases of zap for 30 bucks. ya its kinda crappy paint, but ya its cheap

[shtson]

I don't know if you decided on a marker yet but I know a good place to get a b2k NOT a b2k3(ther a little more), http://www.paintballinc.com/app/site/site.nl/site.ACCT121803/mode.items/sc.2/category.20/.f its only 300- and guess what, they have the BKO at 320-!

[Dragun-n00b]

Well I havent decided what marker I want, now im kindabumping between a Mag, a BKO, and now that you showed me this im considering a B2K, those B2Ks look like the old model?

[jwong]

Originally posted by Dragun-n00b
Well I havent decided what marker I want, now im kindabumping between a Mag, a BKO, and now that you showed me this im considering a B2K, those B2Ks look like the old model?

The B2K listed are probably the older model..... if they're selling it for that price.

If you're torn between all those markers, it comes down to personal preference. I think they are all great markers, each with their own pros and cons. You should try shooting each of those and see which one feels better in your hands.

The Mag will feel different than the BKO or B2K. The BKO and B2K will feel similar.

Cheers

[Mr.Evil]

i getting a nasty imp:P thatas probably only the only imp that could outbeat a bko a rat and a strange imp could do it aswell.:P i like bko though i decided to get a imp because its so sexy:crazy:

[woolf]

Originally posted by ayzian
I seriously would not buy anything from Smart Parts.

Being an ICD marker owner, you might think that I'm biased towards Smart Parts.

Maybe I trash talk about SP stuff because I'm ICD all the way?

Nope... my teammate has an Impulse and it shoots fjust fine without any problems.

But the way SP has been going about lately makes me despise SP in every single way.

The actions they are taking show exactly how avaricious and just plain greedy SP really is.

From now on, no matter if they win the lawsuit or lose it, I will never buy anything from Smart Parts.


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[ImpYa]

Originally posted by Mr.Evil
i getting a nasty imp:P thatas probably only the only imp that could outbeat a bko a rat and a strange imp could do it aswell.:P i like bko though i decided to get a imp because its so sexy:crazy:

So are you saying a Nasty could beat a RAT and a Strange Imp?

The new 03 RATs would beat out the Nasty and the Strange would blow the Nasty out of the water.

I owned an Imp for almost a year and im pretty up to speed with the latest in the SP world.

I just wanted to let you know that I know what im talking about when it comes to Imps...or so i think!:sulk:

ImpYa

[Mr.Evil]

Originally posted by ImpYa


So are you saying a Nasty could beat a RAT and a Strange Imp?

The new 03 RATs would beat out the Nasty and the Strange would blow the Nasty out of the water.

I owned an Imp for almost a year and im pretty up to speed with the latest in the SP world.

I just wanted to let you know that I know what im talking about when it comes to Imps...or so i think!:sulk:

ImpYa read my post again befroe you critsize me i said thats probably only the only imp that could outbeat a bko.A rat and a strange imp could do it aswell read that slowlley one more time. ok anyway my teammate and has a strange impulse and it ownz any impulse but my friends rat imo is not better than my nasty probably because im going to upgrade the hell out of it although a rat is a very sexy gun:P :eyes: the nasty is aswell:love:and theres no way in blue hell a rat can beat out a strange im mean no way unless it's decked out the strange is a sweet *** gun dude. i wish i had it just because it doesnt have the milling and looks of a rat that doesnt mean the rat is better than it. and yes my teammate has a 03 rat. and even admitts the strange blows out my nasty and his rat.

[mag hugger]

what kind of a mag are u lookin into? maybe i can help:D

[ayzian]

Mr.Evil... your posts are so confusing...

The first time I read it, I thought exactly what ImpYa was thinking.

But then I got confused so I read it a couple of more times and then I finally got it.

[Mr.Evil]

ok lol

[PRORAPTOR]

If you live in socal Ill be happy to show you what a bushmaster is capable of.....That is once I get it back from the annodizer...
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[Dragun-n00b]

Originally posted by mag hugger
what kind of a mag are u lookin into? maybe i can help:D

Ummmm, well If I was to get one it probly be either used, or just a regular Powerfeed Right Classic Mag.

[PRORAPTOR]

Good luck with the mag......
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[Mr.Evil]

Originally posted by PRORAPTOR
If you live in socal Ill be happy to show you what a bushmaster is capable of.....That is once I get it back from the annodizer... where3 do you live in SOCAL

[PRORAPTOR]

Garden grove....I frequent Tombstone paintball and also go to SC village...Im going to the 24 hour scenario game at jungle OCT 25-26 cant wait!

[Mr.Evil]

there is one i might go how much does it cost to get in

[Dragun-n00b]

Well, i didnt say I was gonna buy a mag...im kinda deciding which marker would better suit my needs...But thank you all for answering my many questions.

[PRORAPTOR]

Originally posted by Mr.Evil
there is one i might go how much does it cost to get in

Here is the website.....All the details are on the website.

http://www.jungle-island.com/index2.asp

[mag hugger]

Also the two things that ur most likely gonna want/need when u get a mag is an intelliframe and a lvl ten. If you can put out the cash for this than go with the mag you wont regret it.... at liest i didnt, it was small as hell and never choped it was perfect for me.:D

[Mr.Evil]

ok im going to the sceneerio and thats a fact:)

[PRORAPTOR]

Sweet...It will be my first scenario...looks really fun...I cant wait

[Mr.Evil]

sweet are you camping out there

[PRORAPTOR]

I dont know...I guess.....lol

Ill be playing all night though for sure...who needs sleep?

[ImpYa]

Just a bit of advice, but i dont know how much rain you get in socal...

If there is any chance of rain, bring an extra pair of socks and shoes. I played a scenario game in a 30min downpour and came out drenched. Being soaking wet kind of sucks because the paintballs tend to sting alittle more. The reason i recommend shoes and socks is, because at the end of the day i had blisters all over my feet...i could barely walk the rest of the day.

Another thing is, get a water bottle and if you have a big pack and can spare a pod, put the bottle in there. Me and 25 guys held a ridge from the enemy that was piratically surrounding us for an hour straight and i was glad to have the water. You will see what i mean around the 12 hour mark when you start to really sweat.

Man I wish I could go!

ImpYa

[PRORAPTOR]

Thanx for the advice! I cant wait! Im seriously counting the days

[Mr.Evil]

you could see me and my team with 2 strange imps 2 rat's and 1 nasty':cool:

[PRORAPTOR]

yeah we could meet up...Ill be hanging out with team knuckle draggerz and insane clowns....and another guy thats coming down from northern CALI...