Electro?

[LittleFishie]

Hey guys, what's up?
My name's Andy, I used to be the webmaster of the PPOG (http://pmipog.hypermart.net) but I gave that up. :)
At any rate, I see some of you talkin about Boo-Yah, and CenterFlag. Nice kits, but are Piranha's can't handle that kind of excessive wear on the sear. The sear just wasn't made to be abused like that!
The answer? Simply take the sear out of the equation...with this...
http://www.csolve.net/~chrisb/kit-right.jpg
This is the answer!!
I think you guys should read up on it, if you haven't yet! It's not out yet, but it's close!!
PD Paintball's Electro Kit! (http://www.csolve.net/~chrisb/newkit.htm)
Thanks, have a good one :)

[Hsuve]

Boo-Yaahs and Hyperframes work fine. Piranhas can handle it without a problem, I'm sure. The eLCD and Hyperframes all have their own sear, do they not? Their sear will be able to handle things fine. It's not as if any damage could occur. The striker slides along the angle of the sear, tilting it. Passing that, it hits the back of the gun, and moves forward. Then the striker catches onto the sear. It's that simple, and I don't see how the sear can take any damage from that... I'm also pretty certain that the thing you just showed us is more expensive than either the eLCD or the Hyperframe...

[PiranhaPro]

First of all the sears WERE designed to be used 'like that'

Both centerflag and boo-yaah made the sears out of a good hard metal.

Second, no matter what kit you buy, a sear will still need to be used. Unless that kit is a very large electro magnet to hold the striker back, it too, has a sear.

The guns will not wear out from shooting fast, a elcd gun with 1,000,000 cycles will have the same wear as a stock gun with a million cycles. The elcd will just get there sooner, because you can fire it faster.

Oh, and that kit is ugly, that and it kinda ripped off ACI is a major reason why I dont like it.

[LittleFishie]

PiranhaPro: Did you read the webpage at all? Or just look at the picture?
from the site: "Eliminates the blow back system, along with the sear and main spring"
Byebye sear.
And, PMI did have an issue with a bad batch of sears where they wore out VERY quickly, as I have gone through 2 sears already. The one now is fine, and trouble free. I wasn't aware that the new kits came with different sears, my bad.
Yes, the kit is more expensive, but it isn't some "bolt-on" mod either. It is much more in depth than your standard frame, making it worth the extra dollars.
Andy

[Hsuve]

It being more "in depth" does not make it worth anything more. Take the 'Cocker for an example. Just because it has pneumatics and stuff, along with the hammer and bolt, does that make it better than the standard blowback? Nope. Bolt on also allows for quick removal and cleaning... If your gun is no longer a blowback, problems may arise in which you are unfamiliar as to how to fix as well...

[PiranhaPro]

Ok so it got rid of the sear, woopie! It still uses something to hold the hammer back, something that will eventually wear.

PMI's bad batch of sears were made over a year and a half ago, their new sears are great.

Just because its more in depth means nothing. What is so great about it?

Oh, and it IS a bolt on mod, unless they used double sided tape...

[LittleFishie]

Well, I see there is a lot of love to go around here...:(
Just trying to get some exposure for a guy making this kit, all on his own. No fancy company, just for the love of the sport.

[PiranhaPro]

Originally posted by LittleFishie
Well, I see there is a lot of love to go around here...:(
Just trying to get some exposure for a guy making this kit, all on his own. No fancy company, just for the love of the sport.

Love comes when it's earned.

If he hasnt marketed it himself thats his fault. Comming from someone who hasnt even used the kit blabbering onhow good it is doesnt help his exposure.

Just my view...

[LittleFishie]

Well, since I'm "uninformed and unexpierenced" I guess I'll just let this post die.
At least everyone is openminded...

[MuckRaker]

Hey Fishie, I've got an open mind, why don't you explain that upgrade a little more. Don't mind Pro ... He probably hasn't had his Wheaties yet.:eek:

[PiranhaPro]

I have just as much of an open mind than anyone, I was just stating me view on it. Don't wanna bash the kit, or LittleFishie, but I dont think he has used it. Hence my debate... If you have used it, by all means, my apologies.

BTW: Weaties are for hosers!:D

[LittleFishie]

1) Wheaties taste like **** and motor oil mixed together.
2) Pro is right, I have not used the kit, but I do know the creator/inventor of the kit.
Well, I think I should try and get him over here to say a few words about his kit.

[PiranhaPro]

Originally posted by LittleFishie

Well, I think I should try and get him over here to say a few words about his kit.

I'd like to talk with him...

[The Billionare]

me too, and it does look like the sonic conversion. My boo-yaah on my sts g2 works great, every million shots or so I replace the striker because that is what is wearing out. I had it ground twice by an airsmith who later suggested replacing it. All for free as I bought the thing from him. I now have an amazing rate of fire and have officially joined the arms race, I hate allowing people to use me for target practice because they had a hell of a lot more money to spend on their gun than I did. I have an upgraded piranha that seriously whoops booty, there is nothing wrong with electro frames on piranhas. As far as competition paintball, it is the best upgrade to date I've put on my marker. We should have the series prize wrapped up in october, then I will have earned my autococker through pure skills.

[Chrisb]

Hey all, thanks Littlefishie for spreading some info, don't beat him up too bad guys for not having all the details.

Just a few comments from the stuff I read in the thread,

>>Oh, and that kit is ugly, that and it kinda ripped off ACI is a major reason why I dont like it.

Well everyone is entitled to an opinion, and thats cool, I admit that its not for everyone. Now this stuff about ripping off ACI, I've been involved in electro kits far longer then ACI. This is the second version of my kit and was developed before ACI ever had anything out. I'm not a big company like ACI and I can't afford $3000 per issue adds in APG, so i'm not very well known.
The pics that I have up are just of the prototype, the finished units are anodized and have a little better look to them. I have no idea what you get with the ACI kit, other then what i've read in the mags, but I think I have a little more to offer with the LCD and programming flexibility, but I could be wrong.

I don't have anything against the Booyaah frames they work fine (for most). I had actually went this route and developed one almost 3 years ago. It just didn't do everything that I wanted so I shelved it. Speaking of ripoffs Centerflag may be having a few words with booyaah(or the company thats handling them now).

My main goal with my kit was to get all the advantages of a real electro, like an Angel or bushy, and this is basically what you will get. Full trigger adjustment, dwell timing adjustment, and fully pneumatically controlled, eliminating the main spring and sear.

I'm not sure if I covered all the questions so feel free to ask away if I missed something.

[blake_sw]

I know the guy who owns that Pirahna, he's the owner of PDpaintball and I've played with him a couple times. That electro conversion ROCKS. Only $240 US. Oh well if it costs $40 more, it's an awesome conversion and it's much more unique.

[The Billionare]

How exactly does it eliminate the blow back system and the mainspring and sear? Fully pneumatic to me is greek. Forgive my ignorance, but I just don't understand. What are the hoses/wires sticking out of the back of the gun? Could you maybe go a little more detail about the electronic eye and dwell timing adjustment? I don't mean to come off as being rude, but we are not all gun techs around here(even though I'm the only one to admit such a thing). Can you make one for the spyder models kingman puts out, my wife is interested in an electro upgrade and this thing sounds sweet. You are right about the sonic conversions. That's why we don't have one. Oh and I do like the standard nine volt thing, dude, that's cool. Anyways, thanx for coming on and trying to answer our questions.

[Chrisb]

Sorry if I got into the tech stuff to much, the operation is the same as a lot of factory electro's, like the impulse, bushmaster/defient, etc, ect. Basically the hammer is controlled just with Air, instead of springs and latches, and its also less air then the stock blow back system so its more efficient as well.

An electronic eye is also used by some factory electros, it just tells the electronic firing system that a ball is actually loaded before it fires, so it can run in kind of a closed loop mode. For example if you where shooting in full auto mode, instead of firing based on timing(fire-wait-fire-wait) it could fire based on the feed rate of the gun. It also reduces the chance of a chop.
Dwell timing is the amount of time that the hammer is in the forward position holding the valve open. Having the ability to control this allows tuning for the best efficiency and performance, depending on the pressure your gun is running at and other factors.
The lines you see running on the outside are air lines, because this is just an add on kit, its about the only way to do it. They are very inexpensive and can be changed quickly just like a micro or macro line. They are fairly strong and will withstand some abuse.

This kit is adaptable to almost any blow back with a little customized, I have done Spyder TL's and SE's, the production units are for Piranha's for a few reasons but mostly because I like them:).

Thanks for the input Blake_sw, might be dropping by tonight, if everything plans out, i'll call first.

[LittleFishie]

Originally posted by PiranhaPro


I'd like to talk with him...

Here ya go! I know you are alive and posting, as I have seen you posting recently...

[PiranhaPro]

I am alive and posting, dont know for how long though...