Pros and Cons of a cocker

[Redesc]

Can people tell me the pros and cons of the Cocker marker?

Just want to see how it is

[VeNoM]

i dont know all but i am going to list the ones that i know of -

pros-
endless upgrades
accurate
consistent
quiet
biggest aftermarket path of any marker
nice trigger (thats actually more preference)

cons-
somewhat complexed
short stroking
money pit
i cant really think of more cons because i love cockers :D

im sure the people who dis like cockers will have plenty of more cons :rolleyes: and they are more pros i didnt list im sure ;)

[Redesc]

cockers are very VERY nice i love them to bits and just seeing a cocker man lets just say CLEAN UP ON ASILE 7!!!

[blake_sw]

Venom named most of them that I can think. I've owned a couple cockers, GREAT GUNS, best I've ever had. You have to tinker with them quite abit though. And if you're gonna have a cocker, you should have Compressed air too. Running co2 on a cocker just doesn't seem right.

[JorynnRace]

heres a con: they shoot too SLOW! Because of the poor design flaw known as shortstroking, you will never be able to shoot a 'cocker as fast as say, even an impulse. Dispute it all you want, but its plain fact. Put hundreds of dollars of upgrades into one, and you still won't be able to shoot that fast without chopping balls.

the flash and c4pyro has shot every kind of 'cocker from stock to black magic. And they didn't notice a difference in rate of fire.

Now I'm not trying to bash 'cockers. I think they are wickedly accurate, and trully beautiful things to behold when nicely upgraded, but I personnally feel the need... the need for speed.

[VeNoM]

well i think people who own cockers (or shot them) know that, they dont have them to hammer 14 bps down the field, they dont that extra 7 bps. i have shot cockers and i think they can be fired plenty fast enough, of course its not anything compared to what my bushy does, its just not needed with a cocker . . .

[Redesc]

my friend has a cocker its great stuff, shoots paint very of very fast.

[Punk Buster]

Love em to bits. they can be tempermental, but when the are going you can just make incredible shots ( key holeing ppl).

Nowadays there are ppl who can actually help you understand them at almost ANY field. ( That was the biggest con at one time not enough ppl to help you understand it readily available, so now that is a pro for the marker )

[Incube]

They are good guns yes
They are expensive yes
MAGS are far better yes..... the pro is that you will change your mind to a mag the con is you would of spent lots of cash to figure out that mags are better!:laugh:

[Sid]

Originally posted by Redesc
Can people tell me the pros and cons of the Cocker marker?

Just want to see how it is

Pros:
1. Everyone likes them, so the threat of ostracism is pretty low.
2. Most upgrades of any paintball gun.
3. Quieter than most guns.
4. Accurate.

Cons:
1. As Jorynn said, they are slow. It doesn't matter what cocker you have, they are not faster than a mag or any electro for that matter.

Think about it. A Cocker is a pump gun with an extra mechanism to recock the action. There is essentially 2 tiggers that need to be pulled. All the way back, and all the way forward. Not to mention that a large mass of parts has to reciprocate; block, rod, bolt etc.
Think about the distance the block travels. A mag has 2 triggers as well, but look at the distance the parts travel. Distance takes more time.

2. Practically everyone has one, so don't think you're special.

3. Complex, not for a newbie.

4. Freakin expensive, unless you actually intend on playing with a stock one.

[C4pyro]

Originally posted by VeNoM
they dont have them to hammer 14 bps down the field, its just not needed with a cocker . . .

Now man form what I am hearing hear your are technically telling everyone that its the gun that does the work and not the player.

If you have a cocker you don't need to shoot as fast as everyone else.

Just trying to clarify....please I urge you to elaborate.

[VeNoM]

i meant that people with cockers know that they are not going to get that ROF so the dont need it. of course the player has to do the work, that is true with any gun . . .

[C4pyro]

Just looking for clarification...It just sounded like you were saying something else.

[Incube]

Originally posted by Incube
They are good guns yes
They are expensive yes
MAGS are far better yes..... the pro is that you will change your mind to a mag the con is you would of spent lots of cash to figure out that mags are better!:laugh:
Damn it that was a witty post... bah no one even read it i bet.

[Mongoose]

There is just a certain intangible that comes with a cocker. Believe me when I say that I shopped around before deciding on owing one. I've shot Angels, Impulses, Matrices you name it. Nothing can compare, IMHO. Maybe it's knowing that you can put your paint within inches of where you aim it. I get such a confidence boost when i use mine. You dont need to fire like a madman if you can do the job with 3 or 4 shots, and frankly who can afford to go through a case of paint a day? Forget that spray and pray philosophy that is esposed by those with the thousand dollar electros that drop shots at your feet whilst you whistle them past their ears.

And don't even talk about upgrade possibilities or your head will explode. The ability to customise to suit your own tastes and needs is a huge bonus. Not to mention a heck of a lot of fun as you build a gun from stock and trick it out.

The electros can only offer a few minor things to tweak here and there. Without much increase in peformance mind you. They all suffer from the medium range medium accuracy fault, due to their blow back operation. Only the shocker can compete, being a closed bolt as well.

Sure it is a little more mechanically complex, but I have played in the middle of a torrential downpour that sent Angel owners scurrying to their cars for protection. No circuit boards here to worry bout frying.

Get a cocker and you be satisfied, trust me. With the money you save get an air system too. Hehehehe

[davkad]

i never owned a cocker, so i don't know about the maintenance or anything (which is very high) but it is definately not a beginner gun...

i think if you only do a half trigger pull (don't release it all the way after you shoot), then you **** up the thing and have to re-time it.

the timing needs to be adjusted often.

not the fastest shooting gun. but the accuracy and noise is off the hook! the gun has more aftermarket parts than any other gun... that means you'll be putting all of your money into it :) but it's also good, because it is so accessorizeable. I have heard mags are so great, but still, autocockers are much more popular. they are the most popular high-end semi (i think).....

if any of this is innacurate, just tell me, don't flame me... i have never owned an autococker, but hope to do so in the future.

[Splash]

WTF dude,, half stroking doesnt screw the timing up, it simply means u didnt shoot that ball and hafta load another one usualy consing breaks.
Now a autococker isnt that big of maintainance problem if you know how they work. and if your autococker EVER gets out of time, yes it can be overwhelming but after a bit of practice and whatching people do it you learn...As i did.

[blades of ice]

i hate it when people say cockers are more accurate then other high end guns they ARE NOT warpig did a test proveing it too the most important thing is paint to bore match and i am yet too see a any cocker that has a rof higher than a rt mag and dont sya the mags inconsistant beacause it isnt its internal reg is the best reg you can buy its the same reg in the armagedon now theres a recharge rate

[blades of ice]

heres proof http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/paintguns/balistic/closedopen.shtml

[Splash]

i hate war pig's site its horrible the only good thing about them is pig tv, I say ditch the website and focus on the paintball tv idea.
Side the **** on warpig sucks,, everything

[C4pyro]

And another flaw I see in warpigs test is that they used the crappiest marker available. The whole point in someone saying "my closed bolt shoots better then your open bolt" is to compare the difference between the two markers. That is the whole reason that different types of markers are made. Anyways I don't give that much credit to the warpig test but all in all the differences between open and closed bolt are really nothing to freak out over.