shocktech pneumatics vs. kapp pneumatics

[magicsly1]

Which one do you think is better. Give me some pros/cons about each of them. Thanx.

[magicsly1]

anyone have either of these pneumatic systems?

[Byte]

The ST ram and KAPP ram are the same design but the ST has a slightly wider diameter chamber allowing for lower pressure cycling(not a big deal however) both or based on the STO ram design. I prefer the ST ram.

The 4 ways are very different. KAPP's are OK but basically a STO 4 way(nothing wrong with that, just no reason to just get a STO 4 way) The Bomb has a very short switch time, but leaks very easily if not timed just right(well yeah). Its a very good 4 way.

Regs, well they reg both just as reliable and do what they are designed to do. Thats a toss up indeed.

I prefer KAPP mini gas block's over ST blocks, thats just me.

[macdruen]

I really can't vote one or the other. I have Kapp pneumatics on my micro and had a kapp cocker and my wife has a kapp cocker. I have also used shocktech and ans but they are all good the shocktech 3way is the shortest pull but the kapp is lighter and smother the kapp ram seems faster and i've never seen one go bad. I guess if i had to choose i'd say get the kapp cause it come with a volumizer/low pressure chamber and high flow block. The others just have high flow blocks.

[RavE]

I plan on getting a Kapp But i have no idea about a shocktech

[pr0kch0p]

i would get the KAPP, i have heard a lot of stories about the shockteck 4-ways leaking and them having crappy chrome plating.

[RavE]

where can i buy a Kapp front kit (pneumatic system) for a 2001 cocker?

[RavE]

or can i buy a bolt or something to make the 99 versions fit on the 2000+ versions (pneumatic system)????

[GBEEF]

"herd" is the word has anyone out there had any gone bad with shocktech. I know for a fact shocktechs PULL works awsome i know they may leak! so it does take some good timing experince.
they leak because the shocktech has O-rings. Sometimes the o-ring dont match up becuase the cocker inst timed!
All i know is shocktech is a great product if propley installed. Im getting my cocker set up this week:)

As for Kapp it maybe good nor bad i havent shot Kapp before as ANS STAY AWAY for it... this stuff looks really cool but its not very good quality.!

[MC Escher]

I own a shocktech autococker and that includes all the st pnue's like the skocktech fgp reg with rock knob, bomb 4 way, and polished ram on a hi flow block. i must say with propper maintinence and tune ups they blow kapp out of the water with the hi end performance, consistency and adjustability. not to mention they have killer looks and come in some very nice colours, the anodizing is flawless.

[TheMuRph1018]

Palmer's front block kit all the way!

[MC Escher]

i must say the rock reg is a great piece, but the fgp reg by shocktech is just the same if not better. The rams are comparable in performance and longevity but the quick switch 4 way by palmer has had a reputation to leak more so than not.

[Byte]

Gbeef- your right about the "bomb" orings. Thats a very common problem that people "new" to cockers find hard to understand.

MC Escher- I was wondering why you thought a ST pnue reg is better than a rock? I mean it doesnt take much to pressurize a ram? I was wondering why you would say this?

[MC Escher]

Well, with the st reg, you can rebuild it or have a local shops person do it for ya. With the rock im not sure about that, but take a look at ravi choppra's site and look at the reg info. he gives a nice argument about this.

[Byte]

Ill check it out, but I think and it has been my experience that as long as you have a pnue reg that doesnt leak, youll be fine. In no way do they effect effiency, recharge rate is a non-issue(with regular use not LP). All they do is "charge" the ram for pumping the back block. Not alot of precision there. I WILL say the pick of pnue rams for your LP operation would be a facter. Let me me also point out, Ravi is friends with Danny Love, who developes ST goodies.

BTW, Palmers Rock has a very simple design and they carry a lifetime warranty.

[MC Escher]

ahh yes the lp opperation factor, 'adjustabilty' is key there. Im not slammimng the rock, its a great reg, but i love the st.

[Byte]

O ok, thats a decent answer. I have my preferences as well. ;)