STS G2 Not Cocking All The Way Back

[Predator]

Question for anyone who knows. On my STS G2, sometimes when I'm rapid firing, the cocking rod will not cock all the way back into the firing position. I have to manually cock it back which is a real pain when I'm in a fire fight. I keep my gun super clean and well oiled. What would be causing this? Any ideas would be helpful.

Thanks - Predator.

[Saiyan_warrior]

hmm The only thing I could think if is, that you may have a piece of shell stucky by your bolt, cause that happened to me once.

[PiranhaPro]

Replace your striker oring, make sure you use the correct size, bottle orings do not fit.

Your bolt orings should also be looked at very closly, if anythings wrong, replace them too.

[Predator]

Thanks Pirahna Pro - but where exactly is the "striker o-ring"?

[joel]

that has happened to me before on my vtl and it wouldnt cock sometimes. The trigger wont spring back enough, if you push the trigger a little bit forward with your finger it should cock again, but thats still a pain because its still slow. I had to sand down a piece of plastic inside my tigger frame to fix it, you should email PMI about it, they can tell you exactly what to do to fix your problem.

[PiranhaPro]

The trigger is different than re-cocking, he said the cocking rod doesnt go back, nothing about the trigger.


The striker is that big heavy metal thing under the bolt. If you filed strip your gun, it is connected to the bolt by a little pin, it has a big hole in it where the mainspring goes.

It has an oring on the front of it, at first glance this looks to be a tank oring, it is not. Go to your local proshop and see if they have the correct size. Buy a few, its good to have some on hand.

[MuckRaker]

I've been experiencing the same problem. I was thinking it might be the Sear is worn, and not catching the striker. However, after reading Pro's post, I'm gonna check the o-rings.

[Predator]

Yeah - thanks for the help Pirahna Pro. I will check that striker ring and get a good fit.

[PiranhaPro]

Thats what I'm here for:)

My rule of thumb is to always check orings and make sure everything is clean/oiled with ANY problem. 99% of the time a new oring an a drop or oil will fix it. If anything is remotely wrong with my gun I will clean/oil it, then if it isnt fixed I will look furuther. I have only had to "look further" twice since owning the gun...and both were my fault:D

Orings are needed, but can be a paint. Use the correct lube and keep them clean and you can avoid the bad parts about them.

[The Billionare]

I had that problem for a long time. I'm not telling you what to do, but after I bought a shocktech bolt for my sts g2, the problem just vanished. Replacing o-rings is cheaper, but it never solved my problem, nothing does. I tried new o-rings, cleaning, oiling, switching to nitro, nothing worked until I bought a new bolt. To this day I do not know what causes that problem in piranha paintguns or how to fix it without replacing the bolt.

[Cowser]

Your actually wrong PiranhaPro.. the problem is there isn't enough forward action by the trigger. Heres the document you need to fix the problem, unfortunatly I coulnt attach the image included with this, it helps a bit. You can email John at PMI (JDresser@pminetwork.com) for the image.

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If you are having problems with a new G2 or G3 Piranha re-cocking but not
firing, the problem is most likely that the trigger doesn't have enough
forward play. Only try this yourself if you feel comfortable doing it. If
you have any problems or want to talk to a Piranha tech, call us at
1-800-579-1633. He'll help you with any problems you might have.

You can try this fix yourself or get a store to help you with it .

If the cocking rod is staying forward and not coming back at all then email
me back because this fix will not take care of your gun.

You should try this fix if you can push the trigger forward and hear it
click or if you can re-cock it again and it will fire. You should try this
fix if your gun is shooting once and then the cocking rod is coming most of
the way back and sticking. You have to remove a small amount of plastic to
give the trigger more forward play. If you do not feel comfortable doing
this fix * please call PMI and we'll do it for you.

1. Remove trigger frame from receiver.

2. Punch out the black trigger pin. Push it from left to right.

3. The trigger will slide out the bottom of the frame with a little bit of
work.

4. Remove trigger and spring.

5. Look at the front of the trigger, just above where your fingers touch the
trigger is a flat section. On this flat section is a raised rectangular
flat section. It is only the thickness of a business card. File this raised
rectangular flat section off. There is a picture attached.

6. Reassemble and test. If you filed down the plastic square and the gun
still does not function, you should follow the directions in 7. If the gun
works, you're done.

7. File down the leading (front) edge of the hole that the trigger sticks
out of in the trigger frame. Remove 1/32 of an inch of material. That
should fix the problem. I have heard that some triggers bottomed out
against the bottom of receiver causing the same problem but the top of the
trigger had to be filed down so the trigger could go all the way forward.

Again, if you have any problems or want to talk to the head Piranha tech,
call me at 800-579-1633. We'll help you with any problems you might have.
The email address is piranha@pminetwork.com.

John

[Predator]

Well, I have kept my gun very clean. I usually don't let my gun go un-clean more than two hours after I play. I oil every o-ring I can get to.

[PiranhaPro]

Originally posted by Cowser
Your actually wrong PiranhaPro.. the problem is there isn't enough forward action by the trigger. Heres the document you need to fix the problem, unfortunatly I coulnt attach the image included with this, it helps a bit. You can email John at PMI (JDresser@pminetwork.com) for the image.


John

So you copy and paste an article of a reason why a gun wont fire, then tell me I'm wrong, when you didnt even write the article? And the article doesnt even pertain to his problem... No beans.

The trigger problem is a reason for the TRIGGER to not come back all the way, the gun will re-cock with this problem. I had a trigger frame with this problem, and the gun still cocks.

If the TRIGGER is not returning all the way, then do that. If the gun is not COCKING (what this thread is about) then replace the striker oring like I said.

The raised area on a Piranha frame can cause some fireing problems, but from his description of whats happening, that is NOT the problem.
Please dont call me out with wrong info.

[Cowser]

Easy buddy. Just because my answer isn't agreeing with you doesn't give you any right to jump all over me.

I'm not wrong, the trigger has a VERY important role in the recocking of the gun. I know about the subject actually because I've fixed a VTL that had the exact same problem all these people have described.. the cocking rod doesnt come back far enough.. This problem IS because the trigger wont move forward enough. If your trying to tell me the trigger and sear have nothing to do with a gun recocking properly then you don't know much at all about the piranha, let alone any blowback gun to be commenting on this.

So take it easy and trust me.. this fixes the problem wether you like it or not.

[PiranhaPro]

Whew, here we go:

I jumped all over you because you are wrong. Opinion has nothing to do with it. You called me out with wrong info, and I defended myself.

The TRIGGER does not have ANY part in the RE-COCKING of a gun. It has to do with FIREING and FIREING only. I know about the subject because iI owned one of these frames. The problem is not the trigger, as the gun re-cocks if you hold the trigger all the way back, its the same thing.

Heres a quote from John(the article YOU posted)

If you are having problems with a new G2 or G3 Piranha re-cocking but not
firing,

Read that.....RE-COCKING but not FIREING.

I dont want to come off as an ***, but I am well respected around here for know how on blowsbacks, Piranhas specifically. I have been around this site for a long time, have accumulated many posts, and am the guy most people come to with Piranha problems. If you read old posts, you will find this. While some think I come across as a jerk many times, my info is always respected by most all members. I am known for flaming, because I defend myself, such as this thread. I like to show correct info, and many times that starts a debate. These debates tuen into flames, and I am known as an *******.
I rest my case.

[Cowser]

This is a stupid argument.

I've had the EXACT problem 3 people in this thread have had. I solved it the way John told me to. Thats all. It doesnt even matter what we say anymore since the only ones who read it are you and me anyways.

This was the persons problem who posted:

"On my STS G2, sometimes when I'm rapid firing, the cocking rod will not cock all the way back into the firing position. I have to manually cock it back."

And I have had this EXACT problem.. EXACT. The rod goes back to what looks like all the way.. you pull the trigger and nothing happens (feels like the safety is on). one way of recocking it is pulling a little bit on the cocking rod.. Which is a hastle.. while working on the gun I found out as another method, you can push the trigger forward I'd say about .5mm and the cocking rod will move back the last little bit and the gun will fire again.

And your telling me that this isn't the problem the person described? They look pretty similar to me.. And if you ever talk to John he'll tell you this is a VERY common problem in g2VTL's.

Thats great that you help people often.. but no teacher knows everything and you should learn to accept that some people might have more experience in SOME aspects of piranhas than you. And seeing this you should be prepared to learn from them. If you learn this from me (who other than this, NEVER posts here) and you see somebody else ask for help on this topic... well, hey!, you know the real answer!

And stop saying the trigger has nothing to do with the gun recocking.. if the sear doesnt catch the striker then the gun doesnt fully recock, DUH. What do you think the sear does? Catches on the striker.. then when you pull the trigger it releases it and BOOM! The problem is.. The trigger doesnt move forward enough to move the sear into a position to catch the striker. So the striker gets blown back (hence, blowback guns) but catches nothing but air.

You probably know a hell of alot more about the piranha than I do.. but I do know this. And I know you'll just argue again but this is my last post here anyways. Just PLEASE take it as a learning experience.. trust me, if you ever have the problem, that solution WORKS.

[Hsuve]

If it's not "cocking" all the way back, I can think of this:
1. A ball's half way down, bolt goes forward, doesn't cut ball
2. Recharge rate is slow, sputters after fast firing
3. Something's screwed up with his seals, which prevents his gun from recocking properly

The trigger doesn't have anything to do with recocking the gun. If you removed the trigger from the trigger frame and cocked the gun, the striker would catch onto the sear still...

[Cowser]

I mean the trigger frame as a whole when I say trigger.. Not just the trigger itself

[Hsuve]

Heh, that may be why you two aren't agreeing on things... ;)

[PiranhaPro]

Originally posted by Cowser

And I have had this EXACT problem.. EXACT. The rod goes back to what looks like all the way.. you pull the trigger and nothing happens (feels like the safety is on). one way of recocking it is pulling a little bit on the cocking rod.. Which is a hastle.. while working on the gun I found out as another method, you can push the trigger forward I'd say about .5mm and the cocking rod will move back the last little bit and the gun will fire again.
There is no physical way pushing the trigger back will make the gun fully re-cock. In a two stage trigger(such as an Autococker) releasing/pulling it all the way will either fire or re-cock the gun. In a single stage trigger(such as a Piranha) the trigger is pulled, the gun shoots, the striker is *supposed* to come back and catch on the sear. The trigger has NO part in this other than tilting the sear. Moving the trigger can ONLY make the bolt assembly go forward, as of pressure from the mainspring, it WILL NOT force a bolt re-ward. This is a cold hard fact.

And your telling me that this isn't the problem the person described? They look pretty similar to me.. And if you ever talk to John he'll tell you this is a VERY common problem in g2VTL's.
While I respect John a ton, if he told you that, he too, is wrong. He is a great guy, a nice guy, and knows his facts. If he has told you this, he has supplied wrong info. Its simple mechanics, the trigger cannot effect the actualy cycling of the gun other than the initial firing. This is a cold hard fact.


you should learn to accept that some people might have more experience in SOME aspects of piranhas than you. And seeing this you should be prepared to learn from them.
I will learn when supplied with factual arguments, or until I test it myself. I have tested this myself, and from knowing the exact way every little piece on the gun effects it, I know that the trigger will not effect re-cocking. This is a cold hard fact.


And stop saying the trigger has nothing to do with the gun recocking.. if the sear doesnt catch the striker then the gun doesnt fully recock, DUH. What do you think the sear does? Catches on the striker.. then when you pull the trigger it releases it and BOOM! The problem is.. The trigger doesnt move forward enough to move the sear into a position to catch the striker. So the striker gets blown back (hence, blowback guns) but catches nothing but air.
The trigger doesnt have anything to do with re-cocking, cold hard fact once again. The SEAR does, not the TRIGGER.


You probably know a hell of alot more about the piranha than I do.. but I do know this. And I know you'll just argue again but this is my last post here anyways. Just PLEASE take it as a learning experience.. trust me, if you ever have the problem, that solution WORKS.
I will continue to argue this until you realie you are wrong. I will fully admit when I make mistakes, and I make them often. However, you seem to want to throw some info out and run, without backing your info up


I would like to go back to one of John's lines from his article:
If you are having problems with a new G2 or G3 Piranha re-cocking but not
firing,

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE....READ that. If the gun is re-cocking but not firing. If the gun is already re-cocking why would his article have ANYTHING to do with this guys problem? His problem is the gun not re-cocking, John states in his first line that his article is about getting the gun to fire

That first line by John proves everything in your arguement wrong, and YOU posted it. Please at least read and understand your sources before using them.

[Cowser]

Hah, if you want to keep talking about it sure..

I do not mean the ACTUAL trigger when I say saying it.. I mean the trigger frame as a whole.. which includes the SEAR. Just to clear that up, since I wasn't explaining that well.

And I know you keep coming back to the first line in his article.. but I think he worded it wrong. I'd actually like to get him in on this. The gun DOES recock, just not all the way by like 1mm.. and it does not fire.

What John means by "Recocks but does not fire" is that the cocking rod DOES come out.. Because to the naked eye the gun DOES recock. So a person who knows not a thing about pb guns would say: "The gun recocks.. but when I pull the trigger it doesnt fire". If the persons gun does not recock.. that means the rod just goes into the gun and doesnt come back out.

When you pull the rod out the last mm there is an audible click (the same as when you push the trigger forward with this problem, there is a click).

So yes I have read that first line over and over and it applies to this. Theres not much more I can do except either get John to explain the whole reason for this to you..

And I dont know how you could test this unless you buy a G2VTL with a defective trigger frame?

[joel]

Pirahna Pro, I I have expierenced the exact same problem as Predator. Actually Predator says that ", the cocking rod will not cock all the way " The cocking rod is actually cocking back, just not all the way back, about a millimetre or two, just as mine used to do.
You said "So you copy and paste an article of a reason why a gun wont fire, then tell me I'm wrong, when you didnt even write the article? And the article doesnt even pertain to his problem... No beans. " Your wrong. It does pertain to this problem, actually, it helps solve this problem, it helped me solve my problem, and I had the exact same problem.
I don't think you have expierenced this before and if you did, then you would know just as Cowser and I, but because your the "PirahnaPro" you automatically know whats wrong anyways. And I'm pretty sure John would know what was wrong with this gun and would automatically know how to fix, it, he wasn't wrong either, because of him, my problem was fixed too.
For me to recock my gun I could either do one of the two :
1) Pull the cocking rod back a millimetre or 2 and
2) Push the trigger forward a millimetre or 2.
They both worked and so the trigger must be connected someway with recocking the gun.
Predator I suggest you call PMI and talk to John, You have had the exact same problem as me, and believe or not, The article Cowser posted is what John sent me and it worked for me.

[Hsuve]

Ahhhh, I see... :) The trigger pull is too short, thus the little "sear" piece in the back of the trigger cannot go low enough to allow the gun to reset, and allow firing again. More than likely, after you pull the cocking rod, there is no slop at all. Personally, I like 1mm, or less, of front slop, that way I can insure my gun firing while shooting quickly and all. To fix this, you can sand the top of your trigger a bit, to allow the trigger to move forward a slight bit more, and for the "sear" behind the trigger to go low enough that it resets. Pushing the trigger forward will allow you to shoot, however, usually only for one shot, and then you'll have to push the trigger forward again... The first post of this thread really does sound like a recocking problem, and not of the trigger not resetting...

[PiranhaPro]

Originally posted by joel
but because your the "PirahnaPro" you automatically know whats wrong anyways.

Ah, so now you are insulting my name...good one!

Anywho,

If the cocking rod comes back, and STAYS back. The gun is cocked. Unless a piece of shell is stuck between the bolt, or the striker or bolt orings are very damaged, the gun IS cocked. The ONLY things to hold the cocking rod back are:

Sear(most obvious)
Paint Shell
Orings

If the rod stays back, it IS cocked, thus, it IS re-cocking. He said it isnt staying all the way back, and he has to pull it. Ok, most likely its a striker or bolt oring that is not allowing it to move all the way back, and its getting jammed. Thats the reason I told him to check his orings, because that was, and probably still IS his problem. Unless he didnt describe the problem enough.

The trigger(actual TRIGGER) has nothing to do with the gun cocking. The only time it will mess with the cocking is if the small spring loaded 'sear' in the trigger itself(if you've taken your gun apart you know what piece I'm talking about. I'm sure all of you know what I mean) is stuck. If this small 'trigger sear' is stuck it could possibly hold the sear tilted, and not allow it to catch on the striker.

That is not the case, so as I have stated again and again, if the gun is not RE-COCKING(full cycle of the bolt and striker back to the sear) the trigger is NOT going to effect it unles the trigger sear is jammed, he says his gun is squeaky clean, so this is not the case.


Oh, and if you knew the Piranha line you'd know that they make a Piranha "PRO" model. THAT is where my name comes from.

[Chandler]

Predator..Gas your gun to play around in the back yard or something.when this happends push the trigger forward and see if it works. It will solve the argument.:idea:

[The Billionare]

Originally posted by PiranhaPro

That is not the case, so as I have stated again and again, if the gun is not RE-COCKING(full cycle of the bolt and striker back to the sear) the trigger is NOT going to effect it unless the trigger sear is jammed, he says his gun is squeaky clean, so this is not the case.

If his gun is squeaky clean then this could only be the case. How would it be stuck on paint shells or be caused by bad o-rings if his gun is well maintenance. You listed three and just took two away and said the third isn't the case because the first two don't apply. That is what the rest of us consider an impossibility. The problem is caused by the sear jamming, but not catching, the gun looks cocked, but is not functional. When john said, if your gun is re-cocking but not firing, the only possibility could be this problem when you look at the alternatives. He said his gun is jamming in the cocked position while his gun is well maintenance causing him confusion. He then stated that when he pulled the rod back it would move a little, the sear would click into place and the gun would then become operational again, this is caused when the trigger holds the sear in a certain (incorrect) position. Either activating the sear with the cocking rod or the trigger will fix the problem temporarily(until it happens again). Trust me on this Pro I took my gun in to have it looked at when the problem came back with my boo-yaah. That was a simple procedure in which my airsmith(who works on my gun for free provided I pay attention) readjusted the sear. That was a boo-yaah problem. I asked him about the problem in this discussion and he SHOWED me the problem and how to fix it doing exactly what John had written and cowser had posted. He pushed the trigger forward and the gun RECOCKED ITSELF. Imagine that. I respect your knowledge of blowbacks(piranhas in particular), but you really should try harder to live up to your reputation around here and pay attention when someone has something to offer. You obviously don't know everything and never will, it's a cold hard fact, but it is the same for us all so we forgive you. Humans learn a number of things daily, even if the day is their last.

[PiranhaPro]

Originally posted by The Billionare
You obviously don't know everything and never will, it's a cold hard fact, but it is the same for us all so we forgive you. Humans learn a number of things daily, even if the day is their last.

No where have I ever said I knew everything. Stop putting words into my mouth. NO ONE knows everything, thats a given.

Anywho, I can see what you are explaining, it's been quite hard to understand some of what the previous arguemtns are saying.

However, I still follow my ideas and my posts, as with taking apart about 10 guns with this problem(most commonly found in G2 VTL's as noted before) that the gun always will catch the sear corretly, its the TRIGGER that wont catch the sear correctly.

I fail to see how a gun that the striker is not caught on the sear would stay in the re-ward position, as the mainspring is pushing it forward. However, if your gun somehow magically stays back until the sear falls in correctly, then more power to ya.

With this problem I have noticed that the gun will catch back onto the sear, but the sear wont catch back on the trigger. That is a trigger problem, NOT a re-cocking problem. If the striker catches the sear, it has re-cocked.

Each party in this argument knows their stuff, and each could argue for days(as we have) and no one will ever win. One person brings up a good point, the other one shoots it down. It just keeps going. I am as of now done with this thread. If you would like to respond to this(which you have every right to) I will read it, but this is my last post. I dont wanna look like someone just trying to 'get the last word in' so type up what you want, I will at least read it.

[Predator]

Man!! I appreciate everyone getting involved with helping me fix this common problem. Too bad it turned into a debate. Anyway, I will try calling John at PMI to settle this debate. I will report back what he has to say.

[joel]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by PiranhaPro
[B]

Ah, so now you are insulting my name...good one!


I wasnt insulting your name and had no intentions to insult you
I was just using it in my argument, and im sorry if it was implied that way,but who cares its over now anyways!

[Dermen]

The way John said to fix it in the FAQ at pminetwork.com is the way to do it. I had the same problem with my gun. He just thought it was a cocking problem because when he would pull the cocking rod back it would work. I thought it was the sear release slide that was causing the problem because when you push on it it would put the trigger in the right place and it would work. Just like if you push the trigger forward it will work. When the problem occurs the gun is cocked right its just that the trigger didnt go down enough to go under the sear. Thats why if you push it forward it will make it go under the sear and you can shoot. PiranhaPro I dont want to start an argument with you but if someone says you are wrong you shouldnt argue about it you should do some research and find out for sure before saying "I am right you are wrong". Saying that doesnt help solve the problem it does nothing to help anyone. And it you go to pminetwork.com they have a message board there with a FAQ that solves almost all problem you could ever have with a Piranha.

[Hsuve]

Trust me, PiranhaPro knows what he's talking about... You should do some research on his character before coming out and saying that he should just admit that he's wrong, when he knows what he's talking about. I don't want to start an arguement with you, but you seem to have come out of the blue and seem to be starting arguements... Yes, the person was talking about a recocking problem, and not a trigger-releasing-sear problem...

[PiranhaPro]

Hmm....attack me cause you think I'm wrong.

Before trying to tell me to "do some research" figure out who I am, what I have done for this place as well as many other message boards.

I, in no way am trying to brag, but from my history at PBC, cP, PaintballChannel, and here, I would say I'm more respected for my views as you may think. Ask around.

As Hsuve stated:
Yes, the person was talking about a recocking problem, and not a trigger-releasing-sear problem...

I argued because I WAS correct. Please do some research before stating libelous statements about me.

[Dermen]

Did Preditor get his gun fixed? It might not be the trigger/sear problem but that I think it sounds like. I dont see how a gun could not cock all the way back but still cock half way. The only way I can think of is if there was something in your gun but Preditor said he cleans his gun and oils it all the time. And some people who don't know about the trigger/sear problem have this problem and think it is a cocking problem because if they pull on the cocking rod then the gun will fire. And I know that PiranhaPro knows tons about piranhas and I have read his Piranha FAQ and did one of his trigger jobs. I am not trying to insult him or anything I am just disagreeing with him on this problem. I am not attacking you I am just disagreeing there is a big difference.

[Ebonclaw]

My guess is that the gun is broken. Buy an Angel. Or maybe...dare I say it in the PMI forum....a SPYDER!

[ockey]

I would have to agree with Piranha Pro. He knows piranhas better than anyone. He knew what was wrong with mine and now it works like new. I have a little something to add to the thread. Have you checked the pin that the sear pivots on? Sometimes that comes loose and you have to cock it everytime. All you have to do is push it back in if it's out. That happened to my friend derrick's piranha pro. Just a suggestion.

[Predator]

Hey folks - I haven't had my gun fixed yet. I've been so dang busy with school that I haven't got around to getting it looked at yet.

I don't think my gun is "broken". I kid you not, my gun is super-clean.

So is it the O-ring on the striker, or is it a trigger problem? The debate continues. . . . .

[PiranhaPro]

I still think its the striker oring. However, some good points have been made about the trigger.

Try them both, I'm sure one of the things will fix it.

A little hint I do, if my gun isnt shooting how I would like it to. I try to fix what I think is wrong, and if that doesnt help I will usually take my gun FULLY apart (down to its 90 some odd pieces) and put it all back together. Sometimes things are on tight, arent oiled, or just need adjusting. 99.9999% of the time this will fix just about any problem. Plus it keeps my gun running at 100% performance because it is cleaned so well.

Just some tips:)

[Echo]

Hey Predator I think I had your exact problem. For me it was the trigger. It wasnt moving all the way forward, which caused the gun not to recock. I would be shooting then i would be pulling the trigger but the gun wouldnt shoot, and then suddenly it started shooting. And when it stopped, I could pull the bolt back and it would shoot maybe 1 or 2 balls before stopping again. At first I thought it was the bolt, which seemed obvious, thats why it took me awhile to realize it was the trigger. The easy way to test this is start shooting your gun, and when it stops shooting push the trigger forward and if it starts again you know that is the problem. Here is how to fix it:

G. G2 Fires once but Trigger needs to be Pushed Forward for the Marker to Fire a Second Time
See Below.

H. G2 Fires only after Pulling Back Cocking Rod 1/8” Every Time
See Below.

I. Cocking Rod Stays Back Even When Trigger is Pulled (Gun Doesn’t Fire)
You should try this fix if you can push the trigger forward and hear it click or if you can re-@#%$ it again by pulling the cocking rod back only slightly and it will fire. You have to remove a small amount of plastic to give the trigger more forward play. If you do not feel comfortable doing this fix – please call PMI and we'll do it for you.

1. Remove trigger frame from receiver with 1/8th allen wrench that comes with the gun.

2. Punch out trigger pin from left to right. The trigger pin is the black pin above the safety.

3. The trigger will slide out the bottom of the frame with a little bit of work.

4. Remove trigger and spring. The spring sits vertically in a round notch right below the front prong of the trigger.

5. Look at the front of the trigger, just above where your fingers touch the trigger is a flat section. On this flat section is a raised rectangular flat section. It is only the thickness of a business card. File this raised rectangular flat section off.

6. Reassemble and test. If you filed down the plastic square and the gun still does not function, you should follow the directions in 7. If the gun works, you’re done.

7. File down the leading (front) edge of the hole that the trigger sticks out of in the trigger frame. Remove 1/32 of an inch of material. That should fix the problem. I have heard that some triggers bottomed out against the bottom of receiver causing the same problem but the top of the trigger had to be filed down so the trigger could go all the way forward.



I hope this helps.

[scirocco]

I believe that I suffer from the same problem with one of the four G2's that I own. I have the advantage of being able to do some experimentation with swopping out parts and I'd like to give you some of my observations.

First, I would have described my problem as being a trigger problem as the cocking rod cannot "stick out" unless the sear has engaged with the striker. (Ignoring the obvious ball bits sticking)

Second, by pulling back on the cocking rod or by pushing the trigger forward I hear an audible click and the gun will fire again.

I took the whole grip frame from a working gun and exchanged it with the non - functional one. It had the same problem.

I took the original non - functional one and put it onto a working gun - It worked! Conclusion One - it's not the grip frame assembly that's at fault.

OK so now the problem has to be the striker "o" ring - right? I replaced the striker "o" ring - no improvement.

Frustration!!!!!!!! So now I replace the entire striker with one from a working gun - no improvement.
Conclusion Two - its not the striker.

I wish I could complete this story but at this point I need to get more CO2 to complete the testing. Any suggestions on what I should try next?





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[PiranhaPro]

Bolt orings, oil gun.

Visually check everything you can, make sure everything is in good condition.

[Dermen]

Try taking of your grip frame. Then take off the safety and hold the trigger back. Next push on the sear as if the gun were cocked. Let go of the trigger. You should see the problem. The sear sits to low and the trigger will not go down enough to go under the sear. With the trigger not being under the sear your gun will not shoot. If you sand part of your trigger so it goes lower then it will shoot. Or you can do one of the trigger jobs that I have. You glue a tiny piece of cereal box where the sear sits so that it holds it up a little higher. It also shortens the trigger pull.

[Predator]

Here's a bit of info that I learned over the weekend. I had called PMI and asked them to send me a green spring because I wanted to improve velocity. This is one of their tighter springs. I noticed that as I played with the green spring with higher tension, the problem got worse.

Once when the cocking rod didn't cock all the way, I tried to move the trigger forward - nothing! I had to physically cock the rod back in order to get it back to a firing position. Moving the trigger forward didn't have any effect on this.

So I took out the green spring, and put back in the red spring (medium tension). I decreased the velocity a little bit with the velocity adjuster, and that seemed to improve things. It still got stuck once or twice.

So I'm thinking then that the higher tension has something to do with the striker not coming all the way back. I guess I'm stating the obvious here. But I thought it was an interesting observation.

[PiranhaPro]

Sounds like something in your frame is binding. Do you have a plastic frame or a metal frame? I would suggest tapping the sear and trigger pins out and cleaning the trigger frame internals. A drop of oil on the sear wouldnt hurt either.

[Predator]

It's a plastic frame.

[PiranhaPro]

Hmm....

I would take out the sear and make sure it is all clean. Its doubtful your trigger is binding, but they sear might be.