View Full Version : An Ohio motorist killed a paintball vandal
Vectrexx
09-09-2003, 11:37 AM
An Ohio motorist killed a paintball vandal on September 2nd, 2003 after his car was pelted with tomatoes and paintballs.
Steven L. Keim, the victim and one of the vandals, was hiding in a cornfield with approximately 10 others, ages 15-23. The group was hiding in the bushes shooting cars as they drove by.
When one particular car was pelted, the irate motorist drove by the field several more times, and was pelted again each time. On the driver's fith pass by the cornfield, he reportedly fired a shotgun 3-5 times at the group, striking Steven Keim multiple times and killing him.
The attack happened 60 miles south of Cleveland and the shotgun wielding driver has not yet been found.
dawgs712
09-09-2003, 12:14 PM
old news
toolfan60
09-09-2003, 06:35 PM
:nod:
xIrish
09-15-2003, 03:53 PM
they had it coming, doing stupid stuff like that. too bad someone died though.
Zhukov
09-15-2003, 06:04 PM
Kids these days..
Sheesh! :|
Hellcat
09-23-2003, 03:38 PM
only in ohio...
toolfan60
09-23-2003, 03:46 PM
...do they bring back old threads:rolleyes:
ectoblaster
10-03-2003, 01:02 PM
irish, what? they had it coming? i dont see whats expected about a 12 gauge blowing you apart for someting like that.. its not even legal to shoot someone if they are robbing your house if they arent posing any physical threat to you, let alone kill them. are you some kind of a moron?
nole16k
10-03-2003, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by Hellcat
only in ohio... :laugh:
its not even legal to shoot someone if they are robbing your house if they aren't posing any physical threat to you, let alone kill them.
Although not a legal defense, one could argue that the act of throwing the tomato's and shooting at his car with a paintball gun as he was driving down the road could have put him in fear for his life.
As a comedian once said in reference to the OJ murders...
"I don't condone it, but I can understand." Or something to that effect.
I once had some corn hole of a kid throw an orange at my car while I was driving on a freeway... The impact was very loud. It dented the hood of my car and splattered all over my front windshield. The result was that my car went sideways, since I locked up my brakes, not know what was happening.
A went into another lane nearly causing an accident, and nearly rolled my car with my 9 year old son in it. I was traveling at about 60mph. So I can very much understand the motorists reaction.
Personally, I hope that this guy is caught. However, I do hope that he is not jailed for it. Those kids actions did put his life in danger.
I believe that here in Ca. there is a law that allows for people to be charged with murder if someone is killed during the commission of a felony. By this I mean his counterparts who helped him commit the felony. Not the driver.
ectoblaster
10-03-2003, 02:38 PM
i understand your point of view, but its pretty ludicrous if you reaaally think about it. this could almost parallel the case of the pro life activist priest whatever guy who pulled a shotgun on an abortion doctor killing him, and i believe his body gaurd and wife... what do you think about that? aside from morals, the law is the law, we dont want nor condone vigilantes running around killing ppl because they think they are doing the greater good, or gods will. (sure, i loved the movie boondock saints but this is reality)
boys will be boys, of course they should be held accountable for their actions but come on, did the 15-20 year old deserve DEATH for throwing tomatoes and shooting paintballs? and YET you dont think the motorist should be JAILED? LMAO:rolleyes:
almost parallel the case of the pro life activist priest whatever guy who pulled a shotgun on an abortion doctor killing him,
HUH? How is that in any way close to this situation? The so called youths actions of attacking the motorist is an actual attack that may have put his life in danger. The Doctor was not doing anything to put that pro life terrorists life in danger.
It is a regrettable that a person is dead. It is regrettable that the driver came back and shot at them. However, the dead person did initiate the attack. He is partially responsible for his own death. In this case... the driver should get probation. He will still have to deal with the ramifications of his actions. Both in civil matters as well as his own conscience. By the same token, the other kids involved should also be prosecuted. If the driver is sentenced to prison, so should the rest of those kids.
RaiderWin16
10-05-2003, 11:21 PM
As a comedian once said in reference to the OJ murders...
"I don't condone it, but I understand." Or something to that effect.
That comedian is Chris Rock.:laugh: Although it is sad to hear that the kid died, I also say that his friends should get an equal or harsher punishment then the motorist. And depending on the lawyer the charges against the motorist could be dropped or, more likely, lessened to voulantary manslaughter.
I hope I did the Quote thing right:dunce:
xIrish
10-06-2003, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by ectoblaster
irish, what? they had it coming? i dont see whats expected about a 12 gauge blowing you apart for someting like that.. its not even legal to shoot someone if they are robbing your house if they arent posing any physical threat to you, let alone kill them. are you some kind of a moron?
please re-read my statement before making idiotic and ignorant statements... what I meant by what I said was that if you're going to do stupid stuff like shooting paintballs at a car, you're going to have to face the consequences. In this case they ran into a guy with a shotgun. sheez :rolleyes:
spydermanxt
10-06-2003, 06:20 PM
As much as I feel that it is wrong for motorists to just be carrying around shot guns in their cars and blowing vandals to kingdom come, I also agree with all those that said that the vandals were equally at fault. Not only is it reckless, and dangerous to the motorists, and aparently to the vandals themselves, but it is also giving paintball a bad name. There are a lot of people out there who look at paintball as a violent and trigger happy sport for ruffians and other "bad people" It seems very hard to convince them that it's a very friendly commmunity (for the most part) and that it is no more than a game. Vandals using paintball guns to piss off drivers and in turn getting themselves killed is not going to help paintball become more mainstream and accepted
xIrish
10-06-2003, 06:30 PM
yup ^
if you play with fire you're going to get burned.
draxxus4lif
10-07-2003, 05:11 PM
that happened in minnesota in north minneapols (gang heaven) so 3 kids 16 years old shot a car with gang members in it they then shot one kid and drove off:(
asa4575
10-07-2003, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by draxxus4lif
that happened in minnesota in north minneapols (gang heaven) so 3 kids 16 years old shot a car with gang members in it they then shot one kid and drove off:(
i feel no remorse for idiots who abuse paintball guns. they should be castrated and thrown in jail.
Wolfboy
10-14-2003, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by Hellcat
only in ohio...
haha,true man..we got some idiots up in this state
BigDog44
10-18-2003, 05:48 PM
Steven Keim a 26 year old Amish man was participating in an annual amish prank where kids throw tomatoes (news article did not elaborate on who had the marker or why, presumably not an amish--they don't even drive cars :confused: ) When Marion D. Weaver, 58, driving a light-colored Cadillac or Lincoln was hit numerous times with tomatoes and paintballs, he drove away and returned three times, each time being struck with paint/tomatoes.
When Marion D. Weaver found out that he had killed Steven Kiem, a long time family friend, he experienced chest pains and was rushed to the hospital.
"They went together on hunting and fishing trips," said Miller( a neighbor). "He knew Steve personally. I think that could have been what caused his heart attack -- when he found out who the guy was."
"Marion D. Weaver was arrested Tuesday and charged with murder upon his release from a local hospital in connection with the shooting death of 23-year-old Steven Keim on Labor Day", Holmes County Sheriff Timothy Zimmerly said.
No explanation as to why someone who lived locally, and would have been familiar with the tomato throwing tradition, would drive past the Vandals 3 times. Why did they continue to throw after being threatened with a gun? Perhaps the one that was killed recognized Mr Weaver and did not take the threats seriously?
We will probably never know. The whole thing was tragic and stupid
:(
Wolfboy
10-18-2003, 06:04 PM
:( :eek:
I hpe they charge those little a-holes as well.
achievasc92
10-19-2003, 03:44 PM
I didn't read the whole post, so sorry if I repeat anything.
That guy will have a hard time defending that he was fearing for his life because he drove down the road several times looking for the kids. Either way, I do know how he felt, if someone messes with my car, I will hunt them down and hurt them , but I wouldn't shoot them.
nole16k
10-19-2003, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by achievasc92
I didn't read the whole post, so sorry if I repeat anything.
That guy will have a hard time defending that he was fearing for his life because he drove down the road several times looking for the kids. Either way, I do know how he felt, if someone ****s with my car, I will hunt them down and beat the **** out of them , but I wouldn't shoot them. Was the cussing necessary? You know, you can get warned and banned for ignoring the rules.
very true... however they should also charge the kids that helped commit this crime for murder as well.
achievasc92
10-20-2003, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by nole16k
Was the cussing necessary? You know, you can get warned and banned for ignoring the rules.
Edited: Anyway, I put stars there instead of cussing, I left what I said up to your imagination. LOL:rolleyes:
p8ntfreak1
11-18-2003, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by xm65
Although not a legal defense, one could argue that the act of throwing the tomato's and shooting at his car with a paintball gun as he was driving down the road could have put him in fear for his life.
As a comedian once said in reference to the OJ murders...
"I don't condone it, but I can understand." Or something to that effect.
I once had some corn hole of a kid throw an orange at my car while I was driving on a freeway... The impact was very loud. It dented the hood of my car and splattered all over my front windshield. The result was that my car went sideways, since I locked up my brakes, not know what was happening.
A went into another lane nearly causing an accident, and nearly rolled my car with my 9 year old son in it. I was traveling at about 60mph. So I can very much understand the motorists reaction.
Personally, I hope that this guy is caught. However, I do hope that he is not jailed for it. Those kids actions did put his life in danger.
I believe that here in Ca. there is a law that allows for people to be charged with murder if someone is killed during the commission of a felony. By this I mean his counterparts who helped him commit the felony. Not the driver.
I can understand your point but I cannot believe that you dont want him to be jailed, he could of easily drove off.He put himself in more danger by stepping out of his car and confronting them with a shotgun and blowing their heads off.But you still think that he should not be jailed?
He put himself in more danger by stepping out of his car and confronting them with a shotgun and blowing their heads off.
He only shot one butt head.
he could of easily drove off
yes, like the victim of any other crime he could have just "got over it" and left. However why should he? The only part that I take issue with is the fact that he came back... If at the time of the incident he would have stopped and killed 5 of them... I would say it was self defense...(not a legal defense I know, but it should be) IMO.
Why is it that all these little dirt bags think that they can do anything to others and not face consequences? I can answer that for you. We as a nation and a society let these kids do as they wish. We don't not punish them as we
should. Ever heard of spare the rod ,spoil the child..... guess what, its true.
I know this guy is gonna be jailed for this.... however, every stupid little turd that was involved should face the same punishment. As it was their actions the resulted in this death. The assault on this motorist should be considered a felony assault at the least, if not attempted murder. In the commission of this felony one of there members was killed.... so they too should be held accountable for the murder.
Thats just my feelings on it. I know when my incident took place.... I got off the freeway and looked for the little turd or turds that did it. To be honest, I fully intended to beat them to half an inch of his/their life. I would not have cared if he was 10 or 50. When someone puts my life and my sons life at risk for their amusement, I will retaliate if possible....
In short, I think he should receive the same punishment that all the participants of this assault got.... nothing more nothing less.
BigDog44
11-20-2003, 06:50 AM
:| See my prior post on 10/18/03. The whole thing was sad, tragic and stupid.:(
The one that did the shooting killed a close personal friend of his unknowingly. No doubt he is now tormented daily by his vigilante actions.
"Yes there are those that live that deserve death, but there are many more that deserve life that are dead, and if you cannot grant life to the dead, you should not be in a hurry to wish death upon the living".
There is a time and a place for the death penalty, and it is not in a fit of rage at the side of the road.
they continue to throw after being threatened with a gun?
I must have missed that part..... even more of a reason not to charge him with murder since the assault continued even after he threatened them with a gun. As I have mentioned before, the other participants in the crime should be charged with murder as well.
Deformography
12-09-2003, 07:07 PM
I can't beleive that this guy is being defended, he drove past 5 times and then pulled a gun on them, the guy was mad and shot them, he wasnt scared for his life or he would have kept on driving. Vigilanti justice cannot work, if someone cuts you off in traffic should you put 10 rounds in his car? I hope the guy rots in jail. He could have easily called the police in the time it took to drive past 5 times. How many of you have stolen a road sign, how would you feal if someone burst into your home with a shotgun over it? Vandalism is a minor crime, certainly not punishable by death.
oh hell no... this was not vandalism... It was much much more! The assult continued even after he threatend to defend himself with a weapon. The driver was wrong for comming back. However it is little dirt bags like this that lower the quality of life of the rest of us! Why should people like this be allowed to assult and attack others! They should not. If the driver is charged with murder, then so should these animals who instigated the whole thing! People, even youths, need to be held accountable for thier actions. If this driver is to be held accountable for his.... so should the dirt bags!!!!!!!
Eclipse70
12-10-2003, 02:29 PM
We are constantly seeing our sport come under fire because of little scumbags like the deceased.
I don't have any sympathy for the shooter, and I don't have any sympathy for the dead kid either. Boths were morons that did something stupid and got called on it.
Xtremely Evil
12-10-2003, 05:16 PM
There are always people who think they are immune to the law. They think that they can't get caught for what they do.
FriedRicE
12-11-2003, 02:39 PM
I hate paintball vandals too much to even be able to commetn on this without being biased. I believe all vandals should be bunkerd to death. (Not actually) just hurt really bad.
SnowBoardKid233
12-24-2003, 06:52 AM
I see your guys's points. but come on! Kids were shooting
the guys car and throwing tomatoes. Why in the world
would the guy drive by another 3 times??? And even if he
was being shot does that give the amn the right to bust out
a shotgun and kill one of the kids? I don't think so. The man
should have gotton the police or something, not take the
matter into his own hands and kill a kid! The kids all should
get probabtion or something, but the man needs to be
jailed.
Why in the world would the guy drive by another 3 times???
Maybe he did not want to give up his right to travel freely. I do not know. What I do know is that those little stupid SOBs started this. Why should this mans rights and freedoms be trampled on because those kids felt like harassing him for fun!
The kids all should get probabtion or something, but the man needs to be jailed.
Those kids started the whole mess. Don't let them off the hook so easy. They attacked the man three times! They continued to attack the when he stop to talk to them! Yes the man was wrong for shooting at them. However, no more so than those kids were. AS the kid was killed during the commission of a crime, they should all be jailed for the kids murder. If the kids get probation, then the man should get probation.
Ebonclaw
12-24-2003, 09:33 AM
I'm sure the man knew that his life wasn't in danger if he drove back and forth three times. That argument is now invalid that he fired for fear of his life. It's back to plain ol' simple murder or manslaughter if he's lucky.
Yes he did return... However, if the attack continued after he was out of his car, self defense may be viable. No matter what, he will go to jail. My only lament is that the kids who instigated the whole thing will go scott free and unpunished. While this man was in the wrong, so were those kids! He should get the same punishment as these so called kids. By the way, at 24, I don't really feel this guy was a kid.
SnowBoardKid233
12-25-2003, 02:21 PM
I changed my mind. You are right, they all should get the same punishment. They aren't kids any mroe and they should have taken some responsibility.
slashy
12-26-2003, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by xm65
Although not a legal defense, one could argue that the act of throwing the tomato's and shooting at his car with a paintball gun as he was driving down the road could have put him in fear for his life.
maybe the first time he drove by...
My personal opinion, he shoud have prolly called the police. But... I would have done something to... I would prolly have strapped on my proteus, and broke out my autococker and seen how much they can take before they cry... Usually people who do this sort of thing can shoot 20 bps...
Well.. I remember reading this article.. I agree with the fact that the kids should get punished for their actions.. by the way.. how the hell do Amish kids get paintball guns.. and like.. if they want to go to a good paintball field.. I doubt taking a carraige all the way would be good.. But, generally speaking.. when a person gets angry, they usually do something irrational, usually coming from an adrenaline rush.. I mean, everyone in their life has done something irrational and idiotic when they were mad.. Most of you guy say "This guy shouldn't have killed this kid.." He didn't mean to kill a kid, he was just thinking irrationally as you would be mad if some idiot was throwing tomatoes at your car too.. Just.. this guy had a shotgun.. I know if I had a crowbar or something I'd have to chuck it at them.. and if it accidentally killed them, I know it would be my fault, but I know I would do it out of anger and illogical thinking.. So just an insight to the flaws of mankind.. Remember to think of the entire situation before becoming so opinionated.. people get too opinionated these days..
Canadia_PBaller
12-29-2003, 03:40 PM
Well that kid probably didn't deserve to die, those other kids deserved to have the scared out of them for what they did.
This doesn't really have anything to do with this thread but it's kinda funny:
I knew this kid who is like a street kid, doesn't go to school etc, and he stole this guys bike from his backyard, and when he was riding it down the street, the guy came out of his house, and beat the ing out of him.
Now was that needed? No, and yes. Maybe he'll think twice before stealing another bike. Just like those kids will probably never throw or shoot at moving vehicles.
TrIcK3D0uT E-99
12-29-2003, 04:13 PM
lol i cant believ they were tht dumb
koolkid101
12-30-2003, 06:12 AM
Maybe the 23 year old shoulda had more senses?
Canadia_PBaller
12-30-2003, 07:20 PM
^No sh.t eh? I would expect more out of someone that age.
NaUgHtY
01-06-2004, 04:54 PM
k 'll answer a few of ur ?'s right here
Why did he drive back a few more times?
If u were driving down the street and ur car suddenly got lit up with paintballs and oranges( and yes i mean lit up i forget how many vandals there were buit there were a lot) u would get pretty scared. example. If ur talking to something and they all of the sudden start to punch u and stop their hand right infront of ur face. i dont care what any 1 se but ur gonna jump back and kinda get excited and nervous that he didnt follow trhough. but now back to the point. if people lit up ur car would u just go " oh my car just got covered in orange mess and paintballs i wonder who did, uh oh well lets just keep drving" or would u be " k im gonna find whoever did that and turn them into the cops ior tell them to stop it." if anyof u pic the first ur dum. and the atricle said he just fired three shots into the cornfeild. That didnt sound like he was aiming for the vandals more of like scaring them off.
Now for why the kids should get punished.
if that guy got startled and crashed and killed. everyone of those kids would of got charged with manslughter or something like it. If its winter and the roads are icy and ur following a bit to closely. the person infront of slalms his brakes u slam yours u slide into the car and kill the driver or someone in it. Well ur getting charged with vehicular manslaughter wether it was an accident or not. If those kids made him crash and he died wether they ment to make him do it or not there gonna get charged with something.
I have been pelted before with a paintball gun while running around the city for no reason. It pissed me of a lot, and I even threw a rock at them. When people use paintball guns to vandalize people's property it puts a negative name to paintball. People should not be killed for doing this, but they should be severely punished.
spyder freek
01-11-2004, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by Hellcat
only in ohio...
ya....my best friends whole family lives out there....it wouldent surprise me...there a Special type of people....and about the "they had it commin to them" they shot a car with washible paint so the desirve to die....**texas cough cough*** no offense to any Texans or ohioeons out there
koolkid101
01-28-2004, 05:05 PM
If a crook got into my house I'd shootem.
rootsradicals!
01-28-2004, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by koolkid101
If a crook got into my house I'd shootem.
Definitely, I wouldn't aim to kill but I'd definitely shoot them.
I would prefer to club them to death, like Alaskan baby seals
spyder freek
01-29-2004, 01:55 PM
they only thing is...they must be threatening your life...or you face lots of harsh charges
Thats was way off topic....
smplbz
01-29-2004, 10:05 PM
very veyr old news
And your point is.....?
My point is that it was off topic... as in not relevant to the thread.
whistlebritches
02-25-2004, 05:28 PM
they only thing is...they must be threatening your life...or you face lots of harsh charges
That's not the law where I live. Where I live, the law states that if someone enters your home without your permission (ex: breaks in when they think that noone is home), you can shoot them. Yea, the law should say that your life has to be in danger, but, they would never know if your life was in danger. For all they know, you could've invited them in, and shot them, because you say that they tried to stab you.They would'nt know because they weren't there to see if your life was in danger or not.
Magnus55
02-25-2004, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by whistlebritches
That's not the law where I live. Where I live, the law states that if someone enters your home without your permission (ex: breaks in when they think that noone is home), you can shoot them. Yea, the law should say that your life has to be in danger, but, they would never know if your life was in danger. For all they know, you could've invited them in, and shot them, because you say that they tried to stab you.They would'nt know because they weren't there to see if your life was in danger or not.
But how many people are actually going to do that? Just invite people over to shoot them? :rolleyes:
penguins_r_kewl
02-29-2004, 11:07 AM
Shooting him was unecessary, but he had it coming.
rootsradicals!
02-29-2004, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Magnus55
But how many people are actually going to do that? Just invite people over to shoot them? :rolleyes:
Who doesn't do that!? Or am I the only one?.. :o
Custom98user
03-01-2004, 05:50 PM
i heard it was only 1 kid throwing tomatos no markers involved i mean cmon they're amish also why did the guy drive back and forth several times? yea stupidity at its best.
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