what is responce trigger and what is reactive trigger

[potatocannon4]

wat is a responce trigger( i heard tippys use it)

wat is a reactive trigger (spyders use it i heard said yoda)


wat is autoresponce trigger

[elmosferrari]

response trigger is what it says. it is a responsive trigger. the harder or further you pull th trigger back, the faster it shoots. it's illegal in tournaments and most fields around here. reactive trigger fires when you pull the trigger, and release it .

brian

[Sc0tTy]

Didn't seem like you said very clearly what a response is. Its a device that uses a little of the blowback in the marker to push a ram behind the trigger, placing the trigger in the original resting position. Its possible to 'sweet spot' it, almost making it completly full auto. As he said, its illegal in most tournaments.

[I'm talking about on a Tippy, if theres any other kinds...]

[elmosferrari]

i know i didnt explain it throughly i was just saying what it basically did. thank you tho. ;)
i think it would be better off to get an E frame since you could shoot faster while being legal.

brian

[Sc0tTy]

The only thing that helps there is the trigger pull. ;) No modes allowed in tournies. (I know you probably know :D )

Soon that may not be an option...
Death to Smart Parts!

[potatocannon4]

so a reactive trigger is where it shoots on the pull and release of the trigger

[elmosferrari]

yes

brian

[Sc0tTy]

Which is a mode on most E-Frames, which of course is just a gimmick to attract newbies because its not even allowed!

[potatocannon4]

i just read wat smart parts is doing, that freakin sux, its so freaking ***, i kant believe it that means a noob who (usually) has a tight buget might not be able get an electro gun, or get into paintball thay should live up to there name and be smart

[xIrish]

I was also lost in Potato's incoherent rambling :( what are you talking about, Potato?

[Lurker27]

If we're going by who first named the things... AUTORESPONSE IS where it fires on pull and release.

REACTIVE would then be the trigger pushing back against the finger.

Response generally means either.

[elmosferrari]

he said, if you add commas:
i just read w(H)at smart parts is doing(.) that freakin sux its so freaking ***, i (c)ant believe it(.) that means a noob who (usually) has a tight buget might not be able to get into paintball(.) th(e)y should live up to there name and be smart(.)
And arcanum, I suggest you watch the language..:P
Now, a noob will still be able to get into the sport. "Smart"Parts has yet to sue or put any limits on anyone or anything. I am against what they are doing but i can see the whole free country and compettive enterprise. now, lets get this thread back on topic or i say we close it.
You now know what response and reactive triggers are so i suggest you delete this thread to stop any further flaming.

brian

[elmosferrari]

ok lurker, i have to disagree with you. you say autoresponse is when it fires upon trigger pull and release? Ok, that's wrong. Reactive trigger does that. Lets just take a look at the RT mag. the names has it in it. If you dont know what makes the RT so special, i suggest you do a search.

brian

[Lurker27]

RT mags reset the sear moreso than regualr mags...I don't know what you're getting at...I'm correct...:rolleyes:

[elmosferrari]

exactly, the are reset at the sear. look , go to http://www.fortdix.net/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FD&Product_Code=AC0038&Product_Count=1&Category_Code=AC03 and be amazed. it says this:
The Response Trigger System is the ultimate big game fire power. The Response Trigger System increases your trigger speed by resetting the trigger and sear with excess gas during firing. This gas is used to operate a cylinder behind the trigger to do the resetting. The pressure of your finger on the trigger pulls it back to fire the next shot. The speed is determined by the amount of flow through the knurled adjuster on the side. The upper limit on the rate of fire is set by this adjuster. The Response Trigger System is available for the A-5 and the 98 Custom.
dont go saying your right until you know mor about what you're talking about. ill get u what the REACTIVE trigger is.
here is an article by WARPIG on the response trigger frame.
http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/paintguns/m98custom/index.shtml

now, a response trigger DOES push the trigger back to your finger faster which in turn means basically, the closer you're finger is to the point of sear tripping or making it fire, the faster you shoot. you said the responsive shoots upon pull and release, you are wrong on that. just read the articles. thats what responsive does. the REACTIVE shoots upon pull and release. There is an adjustment knob on the response trigger to make is a certain responsiveness or bounce(which is illegal on higher end guns) of the trigger. That knob adjusts how fast the trigger comes back and how often it can trip the sear to fire the marker. now, whew. done with that, i suppose you will be writing back for me to further more explian it to you?:D :rolleyes:

brian

[Lurker27]

I said autoresponse, you incredible fool, a term cined by AGD originally. Reactive, also coined by AGD for the mag, kicks back the trigger.

Tippmann's system is called the response trigger, but it reactive. I already said, IN MY FIRST POST, that "response" was a gray area.

Please. :rolleyes:

[dager]

elmo sorry to say you are wrong.

Response (auto response) fires ball on both the trigger pull and the trigger release

Reactive: Returns the trigger with more force than takes to pull the trigger (the R in the automag RT)

Tippman had to call their product a response trigger becuase AGD held the rights to the term Reactive Trigger with the RT/Emag/x-Valve. yes the term is trademarked.

Proof:

"The Auto-Response is a complete grip-frame and trigger mechanism replacement which allows a 'mag to shoot on both the pull and release of the trigger. This has two advantages. First, it allowed me to shoot very fast."

-Ravi

"Auto Response mode fires once the trigger is pulled and once when it is released. "

-BM2k Manual

"Auto Response (fires one shot for each pull or release of the trigger) "

-Tippman E-Frame manual



"The trigger is “Reactive” and is returned via air pressure supplied from the AIR. valve pushing the trigger rod forward"

- E-Mag Manual

"AGD discovered that while a person can pull a trigger quickly, and release a trigger quickly, there is always a lag time between the pull and release. To combat this, they developed the reactive trigger (hence the name RT). The reactive trigger usees gas pressure to double the return pressure on the trigger once the marker has started its firing cycle."

- Warpig.com

[potatocannon4]

thats y im so confused about every one saying its one thing and then its something else, i think dager is right. I type like that becuase thats how i type on aim, i type like that unless im writing a paper for skool

[Vaypourus]

First, you guys all need to calm down. Be civil to each other please.

What dagger said is correct. Autoresponse is one ball on pull, the other on release.

Reactive means that the trigger is pushed back with more force than required to pull the trigger. Both the mag and the RT tippmann rely on different systems, but both achieve basically the same thing.

The autoresponse frame for the mag has not been made in years; it was created long before electros were popular. It was not made by AGD, rather another company. I don't believe the phase "autoresponse" was ever coined by AGD; it was not thier product. I am guessing the autoresponse trigger option on some electros was named after this frame.

[HP_Lovecraft]

I agree, Dagger is correct, but I blame Tippmann for all the confusion.

Perhaps AGD owns the trademark rights to the term "Reactive Trigger", so TPI simply used "Response Trigger" becuase the first letters were the same.

Unfortunetly, this also means that the "fire when pulled, and released" mode on the Tippmann Electro is also called "Response mode", even though it obviously does something different. So, I'm sure its was a legal issue.

Anyway, I believe ProTeam products made the first AutoResponse triggers? They have a version for the AutoMag, and another for the VM-68. Both were mechanical, and worked pretty good.

Many electros now also have auto-response modes, and some shorten the term to just reponse.

So, its no big deal. TPI calls its reactive trigger a "reponse trigger", even though it isnt. Its likely a legal issue.

Nick