2K3 BKO vs. E-99 avant?

[newsn44]

should i get a 2k3 bko or an e-99 avant. im just gonna be playing like once or twice a month and no tourneys. i would have to buy a bko online for like 255 , and i could get the avant at the local pb store for about 180. wich is a better deal? thx in advance.

[robdamanii]

Well, of the two, I'd go with the Spyder if it's your first marker. If not, go with the 2k3.

Or, just get an esprit, which is cheaper yet, and upgrade that.

[Kowz_76]

The only spyders worth buying IMO are the Esprit and Imagine. Imagine is all you need to start playing right away, the Esprit is if you're going to upgrade right away. The E-99 avant definetly isn't worth it. It's 1 bps faster and has a built in elbow.... WOW!

[spyder_strypes]

The bk3 will perform a lot better stock. If you don't care about the $75 difference, get the bk3.

But, what rob and kowz were saying about getting an espirit and upgrading isn't a bad idea at all.

[krajoz]

bko would be the better pick but id go with a spyder because it requires little to no tinkering, cheaper, and for what your doing with it i dont think a bko will make much of a difference. plus its safer to run the spyder on co2. however is money isnt an issue id get the bko but since it is spyder.

[Shredder]

If its quality and out-of-box performance you want most, the BKO is the answer. It will shoot faster (they have a very adjustable hair trigger), have more consistant velocity (because it has an inline regulator), and I'd bet money its stock barrel is better than the Spyder's. It also comes standard with a Delrin bolt you wont need to lubricate, unlike the Spyder. The BKO also has an aluminum feed neck, standard - unlike the Avant's plastic clamp, which can and eventually will crack (if you've ever had an elbow snap in the middle of the game, you know plastic just aint gonna cut it on those rough bunker slides and what not. . .trust me, loading dirty balls one by one from a pile on the ground isnt fun while under fire!).

If its price/performance ratio you're more interested in, go with the Avant or some other E-Spyder (E-Sprit and Imagine are more worth it). They aren't as quality and they dont have the great features BKO's have out of the box. . .But you can run Co2 through them without worrying about the mechanical problems you might have using Co2 on a BKO.

So really, to get a BKO to perform as reliably as the Avant (as far as problems related to O-ring and regulator failure goes), you'll need to spend at least $70 on an inexpensive air tank. Bringing the total cost to $320-360 dollors depending on where you get them.

An Avant with Co2 will be about $200 depending on the size tank you get. But you wont get nearly as consistant performance as a BKO with air. And with a cheap air tank, the Avant would be around $250. But again, the BKO would still blow the Avant out of the water because of it's regulator.

Basicly. . .To get the Avant to perform like a BKO ( by adding air, and a decent reg), in the end you're going to spend about the same amount as the BKO (give or take 20 or 30 dollors, WOW big difference :)).

As far as maintanence. . .The BKO will require more work, less often. . .and a Spyder with Co2, less work, more often. So in the end, the BKO will cause you less head ache as long as you're willing to treat it like the quality piece of equipment it is.

Facts aside. . .In my opinion, the BKO is a much better bargin. Giving you the speed and quality of the higher end markers, along with some standard features you'd otherwise need to buy as seperate upgrades to get a Spyder to even compare. Plus BKOs feel so much better to me. . .Lighter, more compact, great trigger, less "kick" (which made it easier to aim), and alot quieter (because it runs on less thanhalf the pressure of Spyders).

[weeji]

Well if you won't be playing too often too seriously, I'd get the Imagine. Performs just as well as the E-99, and since it's only about $120, you would have some leftover cash to get yourself some upgrades! Here's some good ones:


the gun (http://store.yahoo.com/actionvillage/010-4071.html)

barrel (http://store.yahoo.com/actionvillage/012-6515-6.html#)

agitated loader (http://store.yahoo.com/actionvillage/014-9055.html)

optional: drop forward (http://store.yahoo.com/actionvillage/031-6230.html)

All that stuff you can get for $260, only $5 more than the BKO :D

[evan123]

I personally think the Avant is a waste of money from the regular e-99. If you were to get a spyder i would listen to weeji, his suggestion is good.

My opinion is the BKO it has a better feel and is a better gun, but that me

Go for the BKO and steel nitrogen tank from Crossfire or Centerflag, NOT pmi.

[nerdcore]

the avant is definitely a waste. majority of changes are cosmetic. and that plastic feedneck doesn't look durable. the imagine surely is the highest spyder you should consider. and not the imagine select - get the old imagine if you're going with kingman. plus that will save you a bunch of cash, which you can use for your first couple cases of paint, since you don't need very many upgrades for how often you'll be playing. new barrel & that's that.

[Ice]

Used Mag's are fairly cheap.

There's another option you could look into.

[reneirwolf878]

Or a used cocker.

[SilentShooter]

I will be playing like once or twice a month too. So if I were to get a spyder you would recommend a Imagine over the other spyders? How about the spyder xtra is it any good compare to a imagine?

[Cuervo]

If you're playing once or twice a month, you can get your value from a BKO. If you're not going to play that much, get a Spyder.

The Spyder Xtra isn't electronic, so I wouldn't suggest it if you're playing more than once a year.

[Shredder]

Why let how often you play be a deciding factor in which gun you get?

Whether you play every weekend, or twice a year, tournaments or walk on games, speedball or woodsballs. . .Your goal is the same. To win. Good reliable equipment is key at any level.

What kind of gun performance do you need to do well, and what level of performance do you want in the future? Consider the size fields you play on, the paint you use, the people you play against, and what gun you might want to have in the future. This way you can get a gun that will meet your needs at a price you're comfortable with. But also help you work torwards that gun you really want, whether its by upgrading it, or selling it to buy somthing nicer (in which case resale value would be important).

If you play in the woods with people shooting mainly mechanical guns, do you need to shoot 13 balls per second? can you afford to shoot 13bps? Mabye shooting faster will give you an advantage over them. Mabye a mechanical Spyder is all you need.

Or do you play Speedball against players with mainly electronic guns? Would a mechanical gun leave you at a disadvantage? Or would you be better off with an electronic gun?

A mechanical Spyder will not shoot nearly as fast as an electronic Spyder (13 or 14bps) or BKO (up to 20bps). And an Imagine with a few upgrades like Weeji mentioned isn't going to perform as well as a stock BKO. Each gun is in its own class of performance, which means each one will suit a particuler playing style ( meaning what type of field you play, what type of opponents you play, what you can afford, and how you play). Pick the one that fits your style.

All of these things stay the same no matter how often you go out. Your local field doesn't change depending on how often you play. Your opponents and team mates dont change depending on how often you play. . .And these are the things that determine your style of play, which should determine what gun you buy.

[weeji]

Originally posted by SilentShooter
I will be playing like once or twice a month too. So if I were to get a spyder you would recommend a Imagine over the other spyders? How about the spyder xtra is it any good compare to a imagine?

Don't get the Xtra, because for just a little bit more, you can get the Imagine, or if you wanted to spend more, the BKO. You could either get the marker and accessories I mentioned earlier, or, if money isn't an issue, get the BKO and the Nitrogen for about $350-$400. You would need a decent nitrogen system like this one (http://store.yahoo.com/actionvillage/031-7300-3.html) , which is set for low pressure. I'm not familiar with BKO's...so you may need to purchase another reg to get the pressure down. That system is set at 400 PSI.
Good reliable equipment is key at any level. Which is why the Spyder wouldn't be a bad choice at all :D

So basically, if money is not an issue, then by all means go ahead and get the BKO. If money IS an issue, go for the Spyder w/ upgrades.

[SilentShooter]

I only have about 150 to spend. I will mostly play woods ball. I been reading all the reviews and sticky but I still can't decide on a marker. I play with a 98 costume before and a lot of people seem to like it, but I never shot a spyder. Why in the reviews it seem more people like the e99? Which will perform better stock? Please help me decide on a marker.
Thanks

[reneirwolf878]

bko will blow the e99 out of the water when they are stock. Helpful reviews are hard to come by. People will give most things 9 or 10 because they own it or 1-3's for sheer ignorance or rumors.

[Shredder]

Weeji, BKO's come with an inline regulator that will lower pressure down to around 200-300psi fairly consistantly. A low pressure preset tank isn't needed. A 47ci ACI (http://www.shop4paintball.com/Pages/Product/ACI_Bulldog_47ci_3000psi_04ACIBULLDOG47.html), or 47ci Crossfire (http://www.firstcallpaintball.com/detail.aspx?ID=331) system will work fine. A 68ci Fiber-Wrapped ACI tank would do well also, at $139 here (http://www.firstcallpaintball.com/detail.aspx?ID=118), and Crossfire 68ci's (http://store.yahoo.com/actionvillage/031-7120.html) go for around $160.

For $150, you're going to get better performance from a Spyder than a Model 98, Silent Shooter. Considering M98's start at $120, where a comparable Spyder costs $50-90. I've shot Model 98's on multiple ocasions and I'm glad I got a Spyder instead. They're lighter, smaller, feel better to me, and upgrades are more widely availible and somtimes cheaper.

On your budget I'd go with a Spyder Victor or Aggressor XT, 20oz Co2 tank, Custom Products One Piece or Dye Xcel, And an Empire ReLoader (better than the 12v Revolution loaders). . .All from PaintballGateway (www.paintballgateway.com) for about $160 total. If you want to go electronic, get an Esprit or Imagine and scrap the aftermarket barrel. Also check out the Spyder packages at Shop4paintball (www.shop4paintball.com), and Thepaintballstore (www.thepaintballstore.com). . .Where you can get everything you need to play at a good discount.

[weeji]

Originally posted by Shredder
Weeji, BKO's come with an inline regulator that will lower pressure down to around 200-300psi fairly consistantly. A low pressure preset tank isn't needed. A 47ci ACI (http://www.shop4paintball.com/Pages/Product/ACI_Bulldog_47ci_3000psi_04ACIBULLDOG47.html), or 47ci Crossfire (http://www.firstcallpaintball.com/detail.aspx?ID=331) system will work fine. A 68ci Fiber-Wrapped ACI tank would do well also, at $139 here (http://www.firstcallpaintball.com/detail.aspx?ID=118), and Crossfire 68ci's (http://store.yahoo.com/actionvillage/031-7120.html) go for around $160.


Well, I said I don't know much about the BKO's, and there's proof :D Thanks for correcting me Shredder.

only have about 150 to spend. I will mostly play woods ball. I been reading all the reviews and sticky but I still can't decide on a marker. I play with a 98 costume before and a lot of people seem to like it, but I never shot a spyder. Why in the reviews it seem more people like the e99? Which will perform better stock? Please help me decide on a marker.

I'd go for a Spyder Xtra. They cost about $75 online. That gives you some room for a mask, which you should spend about $25 or more on. A basic VL200 hopper is about $7. A 20 oz tank is about $23 online. Add that upp and it's about $130.

[Kyle's Ghost]

i think you should get an icon e...they are good guns...thier stock barrel is good...look for some reviews on the products that are being talked about

[dr stupid]

i would reccomend the bko.

[spyderlover321]

look go with the bko, unlike the advent which is a mech blowback with a electro frame, go with the bko. the bko is a true electronic marker, operation with a soliniod. it runs at a much lower pressure, has less kick, which in turn makes it have better accuracy. The trigger pull is about 1mm or less, about a third the lengh of the advents pull.
lose the spyder
go with the bko

[SilentShooter]

With a e frame does it use battery to operate on semi mode?:confused: