Defiant question???

[paintballer56]

after i have my sto for a while like a couple of years ive been thinking when that time comes i might get a defian, better milling than bushmaster plus its made by BOB LONG!!!! hes a genius i know this is supposed to go with the bushmaster but its from bob long so i put it in here,


any info about this gun would be great??

[P8ntballer]

Actually ive heard that its made by ICD, but Bob Designed it (correct me if im wrong) they are pretty much the same, except the trigger (from what I experianced, just slightly different, even though its adjustable) The Defiant is cocker threaded (but I think Richys Bushy is too, and the trigger frame (IMO) is better than the BM's.

[Brix]

P8ntballer is correct, Bob acutally tells you to go to ICD for warranty and support. Although Bob sells them and it has his name it he supports the Timmys. He did help design the Bushmaster/Defiant and part of the deal was that he got his "signature" series of the Bushy. But they have a couple of differences, the upgrades are the same and the fact that they take cocker barrels make the barrel selection wider.

[AllOleander]

How can you say the milling on the defiant is better? The 2002 milling is awesome, and the bushmaster has a better regulator, and the trigger is soooo much better its unbelievable.

The only time i woudl get a Defiant over a bushmaster is if i had a boomstick and like 3 other barrels w/ autococker threads.. only reason, but even then i woudl try to get a bushy w/ autococker threads.

[paintballer56]

Originally posted by AllOleander
How can you say the milling on the defiant is better? The 2002 milling is awesome, and the bushmaster has a better regulator, and the trigger is soooo much better its unbelievable.

The only time i woudl get a Defiant over a bushmaster is if i had a boomstick and like 3 other barrels w/ autococker threads.. only reason, but even then i woudl try to get a bushy w/ autococker threads.



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[AllOleander]

Originally posted by paintballer56




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Uh..

[P8ntballer]

I think the NEW Bushys (Richys) Milling is a lot better than the Defiants

[P8ntballer]

Over this...

[elTwitcho]

I disagree, oh well

[AllOleander]

Looks like more of the body is milled out on the 2002 also.

To me, the biggest difference between the two (besides the threads) is the trigger. I HATE the defiant trigger..i love the bushys. The defiants trigger is at a wierd angle and i cant rip on it like i can a bushy. The defiant trigger just isn't as "clean" as the bushys. Enless you like that awkward angle on the trigger, the bushy trigger is a lot nicer. But some ppl dont like the trigger next to the trigger guard.. Personal preference..but i haven't seen 1 person who could fire a defiant faster than a bushmaster

[elTwitcho]

The trigger on both markers is the same design. Both pivot in the same place, and both hit the microswitch the same way. Which is why you can buy aftermarket triggers for the "defiant/bushmaster", they are the same. In fact, if you look at the pics of Richy's bushy and the Defiant up above, I'm pretty sure it's the exact same trigger between the 2 of them

[paintballer56]

Originally posted by P8ntballer
I think the NEW Bushys (Richys) Milling is a lot better than the Defiants



that fading looks ****TY But the milling is sweet

[AllOleander]

Originally posted by elTwitcho
The trigger on both markers is the same design. Both pivot in the same place, and both hit the microswitch the same way. Which is why you can buy aftermarket triggers for the "defiant/bushmaster", they are the same. In fact, if you look at the pics of Richy's bushy and the Defiant up above, I'm pretty sure it's the exact same trigger between the 2 of them

I've shot both the defiant and the bushmaster practically at the same time.. the major difference is the angel of the trigger. I like my triggers closer to the base of the frame.. I dont like how the defiants trigger is "in the middle" of the trigger guard.. I could fire a lot faster w/ a bushmaster.

But yes, they are the same trigger..sorry if my first post was confusing.

And richys fading is unique and looks sorta cool. :P


Edit: Looking back at my post..that is pretty much what i said :P .. just that i hate the angle of the defiants trigger, and i cant fire it as fast as i can a bushmasters.

Originally posted by AllOleander
Looks like more of the body is milled out on the 2002 also.

To me, the biggest difference between the two (besides the threads) is the trigger. I HATE the defiant trigger..i love the bushys. The defiants trigger is at a wierd angle and i cant rip on it like i can a bushy. The defiant trigger just isn't as "clean" as the bushys. Enless you like that awkward angle on the trigger, the bushy trigger is a lot nicer. But some ppl dont like the trigger next to the trigger guard.. Personal preference..but i haven't seen 1 person who could fire a defiant faster than a bushmaster

[Richy_C]

Because it's not a true fade, it's an acid wash color mix really, and the actual 2002s look much better milling wise, the sight rail was milled some more, and it looks mucho awesome.

Made by bob long is it? oh right, thats why it gets shipped from the ICD factory.

Defiants have less milled off, so they weight the slightest bit more, not that that matters. preformanc wise it's not worth the extra 200 or so.

[DefiantMan3901]

whats with you guys bashing on Defiants, the trigger is much better on it (i guy i know a guy who just got a new busy, mine is shorter and faster and he has adjusted his too) Stock the Defiant will blow away the busy. The Bob Long Sniper barell is much better than the STOCK barrel of the Busy. The bolt is also a lot easier to get off on the Defiant (not much but it is helpful) The diff. in price is only 100 dollars a 888 so i don't know what you guys are whining about (the barrels about 60, and a fade job is 100 at the very least)

Besides what sounds better Bushmaster 2000 (sounds like something you would find for sale "only on T.V." or something like that) or Bob Long Defiant

Busy or Defiant?

Josh

Sonicafied Defiant, TKO cradle, and unfortually a 68 ci 3000 Pmi tank (hope to get a Conquest someday)

[AllOleander]

Well .. the name doens't matter and you know that .. But i think bushmaster sounds really sweet. defiant is boring and old. bushmaster is unique and cool.

plus, the nickname 'bushy' is way better than the defiants 'defy' nickname..

and the bob long sniper doesn't come STOCk on the defiant does it? otherwise your comparing a stock barrel to an aftermarket barrel... wtf? that makes no sense

Most ppl dont like to spend the extra money on the defiant because they perform the exact same out of the box..now if you're willing to spend 100-200$ on the name (?? lol) and looks, then fine.. do what you want. The rest of us will upgrade w/ a reg, barrel, and LPR and blow your ' defy ' away

[P8ntballer]

Well spoken Alloleander

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by AllOleander
Well .. the name doens't matter and you know that .. But i think bushmaster sounds really sweet. defiant is boring and old. bushmaster is unique and cool.

plus, the nickname 'bushy' is way better than the defiants 'defy' nickname..

and the bob long sniper doesn't come STOCk on the defiant does it? otherwise your comparing a stock barrel to an aftermarket barrel... wtf? that makes no sense

Most ppl dont like to spend the extra money on the defiant because they perform the exact same out of the box..now if you're willing to spend 100-200$ on the name (?? lol) and looks, then fine.. do what you want. The rest of us will upgrade w/ a reg, barrel, and LPR and blow your ' defy ' away

most people call them defiants. I've actually never heard anyone say "defy" before

[AllOleander]

I have :) On this forum too.

[DefiantMan3901]

The only other thing i have called my gun is 'fient. and it does come with the bob long sniper, go look at the picture of the Defiant and then check out the picture of the Sniper at 888paintball, or this very reivew site has the picture
http://www.pbreview.com/537/1/0/

[simon woodstock]

personally i like bushies a bit more. also the fact that it's kinda tough to put on stickies bothers me. defiants and bushies perform almost exactly the same.
i dunno how a defiants trigger can be shorter than a bushy, or how it's relevant, both have adjustable triggers. and personally i don't like adjusting my trigger to the absolute shortest, it's not comfortable for me, i can't shoot as fast and it's a pain in the butt w/ all the shooting by mistake and such. so who cares if it's shorter?
as far as looks go, i've always liked the look of the bushy over the defiant.
how is the bolt easier to remove :confused:
ohwell, if you've made up your mind there's no changing it, but there's a reason all the people are defending bushies, it's 'cuz they did the the research and found that the bushmaster has more bang for the buck, they went out and bought one, the bushy was everything they expected and more.
atleast that was the case for me, the defiant was one of my choices but i quickly ruled it out. if you're going to spend more money essentialy on a bushmaster w/ some cosmetic differences, why not buy a marker that performs better. if you've got 600$ to spend on a paintball gun, get an intimidator (countypaintball.com).

[AllOleander]

Look at this.. I don't like my triggers out in the middle of the trigger guard like the Defiant's.. i like it closer to the base of the frame like the bushmasters.. i can shoot it faster, its just more comfortable.. that is the difference between the triggers. It is the same trigger and they are both adjustable..its just the angle of it.

Bushmaster trigger on the left, Defiant trigger on the right.

[elTwitcho]

Dude!!! Please for the love of god tell me you're joking!

[elTwitcho]

Sorry for the bluntness, but I said it already. It's the exact same very identical to the last point trigger between the 2 guns. only difference is how the trigger guard meets the grip

[AllOleander]

GRRRR!! Angle is the wrong word.. Cant you see how the trigger on the defiant is out away from the frame and in the middle of the guard.. and the bushys trigger is closer to the guard?? tahts what i was pointing out.. angle was the wrong word

[elTwitcho]

Dude, look at it. The trigger is the exact precise dead on same fricken distance from the grip. The only difference is that the trigger guard on a bushmaster curves up behind the trigger, while the defiants goes straight into the grip. It is the exact same feel between the 2 because it's the very same angle and very same distance from the grip. Superimpose the 2 in your head and you should be able to see it

[AllOleander]

I KNOW!!

Im talking about the trigger guard......i like the trigger to hit the trigger guard like on the bushy, you cant do that w/ a defiant.. i hate the bl frame.. stupid finger grooves is hard to get stickies on and its quite heavy

[zacharyaus]

gonna have to go with twitch. sorry :(

but they are the same except the guard.
but those built in finger grooves do suck :tdown:

let's end this debate :boring:

[AllOleander]

Go w/ twitch?? There are no sides here.. its just my opinions .. i like the feel of the trigger against the trigger guard

discussion over

[AllOleander]

Originally posted by elTwitcho

most people call them defiants. I've actually never heard anyone say "defy" before

Originally posted by Dioxide
just got this on a trade for my cocker... heh, 99 deffy


Hehe.. :) Now you have.

[brett]

lets end the debate and just leave it at
SONIC BUSHY:D

[DefiantMan3901]

lets just end the debate and say he doesn't know what he's talking about. The trigger guard? How the heck does that do anything, when you fan the trigger you don't move it so far forward that it hits the guard do you? Did you make sure that the dwell and the trigger length adjustments were in the same spot?

[AllOleander]

I didn't have it setup so i dont know what the adjustments were

[DefiantMan3901]

sorry, didn't mean to sound so harsh, my aplongizes. doesn't really matter, keep forgeting about all this opinion stuff

[ring]

I have own both guns. I sold my bushy to buy a defiant because the finish on the defiant was so much cleaner compared to the bm2k. New the bushy had a lot of hair line surface scratchs in the anddizing were as the defiant anddizing is highly polished. The defiant came with a j&j two peice barrel anddized to match the gun and takes OTP inserts and interchangable tips. the trigger is setup so you can shoot it as a single trigger if you don't like using a double (your fringer can fit behind the trigger, try that on a bushmaster). To me it was worth the extra $100 just for that reason. Both guns are back by the outstanding service of ICD. Far as performance they are about the same. I used an after market barrel on the bushmaster (16in boomstick $100) . Hope this helps.

[AllOleander]

You can buy a single trigger for the bushmaster .. but im sure the defiant is more comfortable if you are going to shoot w/ 1finger all the time.

[Richy_C]

Lol Richy, you know I've gotta change that even if I do agree :) -Twitcho

[AllOleander]

Originally posted by Richy_C
Lol Richy, you know I've gotta change that even if I do agree :) -Twitcho

Me confused .. :confused: :eyes:

[Richy_C]

Harumph, well it felt good to write it any way.