Flatline??? [Archive] - Paintball Forums

XHazardWarfareX

10-14-2003, 02:19 AM

I'm going to get a new barrel for my 98 custom and I want to get the flatline but I want to make sure that it is the right choice. I have heard good about it and bad about it but the people hat say bad things about it sound like morons and probably didnt install it right. I have heard it shoots farther and is more accurate but i have also heard that at far ranges is doesn't break...well i dont really care that it doesnt break at far distances because atleast the paintball can go that for unlike others and at the paintball field i go to they have a rule that even if the ball hits u and doesnt break your still concidered hit and the refs are real good at judging if u got hit. But anyways if you were me would u get the flatline barrel? And dont say anything about the cost because I have enough for it.

p8ntballa#1

10-14-2003, 06:50 AM

Try this (http://pbreview.com/products/reviews/35/),I havent personaly owned one but I havent heard to many bad things about them.

Deer Hunter

10-14-2003, 10:44 AM

marbs are the best paintballs for the flatline.

willpill

10-14-2003, 02:48 PM

and evil

and kinda works well with blaze

Mongoose87

10-14-2003, 05:56 PM

i'de get it if i were you...before i had one, i heard all the bad stuff people were saying about it and had second thoughts before buying it, but i just decided to take my chances and get it and it was the best choice i couldve made. Never had any of the problems you hear about.

elcojo98

10-14-2003, 06:50 PM

i know you said not to mention the prices but i guess you can't kill me for it... the flatline isn't a $110 barrel in my thoughts. I haven't owned one myself but the barrel just doesn't seem that spectacular to me. I'd say go with a dye barrel for the same price or less and they make great barrels. Or the armson stealth is a really good barrel and i can't think of any other barrel thats rifled too. I did have some money restrictions on my barrel because I don't have a real job yet, but i got a lapco bigshot and i've had no complaints with it yet and have had awesome distance on my shots.

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Coenen

10-14-2003, 07:07 PM

Since the Flatline is a loved and hated barrel, I suggest you first make your descision and then find someone who has one and hates it, then offer him/her about $50 or $60 to take that "Bad 'ol Flatline" off of their hands. Smile, you just got your money's worth.

Not to mention if you hate it, it's in good condition, and you have no qualms about telling a little fib here and there, you can tell a newb that you are the first owner and sell it for the same $50 or 60 you paid. Personally, I wouldn't do it, but I'm sure that you could with very lttle effort.

XHazardWarfareX

10-14-2003, 08:43 PM

the one thing i dont get about it is that it is curved, im surpriced that paintballs actually go through the barrel. And how does it give it more distance if it puts a backspin on it, wouldnt it make it go a shorter distance then? And this may sound dumb but i want to get it for the unique form it gives the 98c...so i can tell the difference from mine and the rentals...

Xcalibur104

10-15-2003, 11:05 AM

I have never used one but I know that a lot of people say it sucks because they just didn't install it right.:rolleyes:

jturtle

10-15-2003, 11:49 AM

I have had a flatline for about a year and a half. This barrel kicks butt. I takes a bit of getting use to, because of the back spin it has a slight dip in mid flight. Now the thing with the bent barrel is it puts a back spin on the ball. Unlike a straight barrel, where the ball comes out and starts to drop, the back spin helps to lift the ball back up. That would explain the dip. Also with the flatline, depending on the angle you shoot you can zip the ball around corners and drop them in on people. My personal belief is that those who are complaining about the barrel are the ones getting shot by it!!! It is worth the investment, I would also get the aluminum shroud for it also:D

metallica_freak

10-15-2003, 01:15 PM

my friend has a flatline and he loves it.....i on the other hand hate it cause i can never get close enough to shoot him:laugh:

Mongoose87

10-15-2003, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by XHazardWarfareX
. And how does it give it more distance if it puts a backspin on it, wouldnt it make it go a shorter distance then?

The backspin fights gravity and keeps the ball airborne longer. If your looking to buy a used one in good condition, my friend has one who is selling it (he's just really stupid and doesnt know how to instal it or keep it clean). He might give it to ya for pretty cheap, and its only been used twice. PM me and i can give you his email. I'd recomend getting the flatline. Its the best barrel you can get for your 98.

1Tribal1

10-18-2003, 11:15 PM

The Flatline is awesome, I have one and love it. I would definitely recommend that you get one. :)
As to all the crap people say about it........its just not true.

This barrel does NOT break paint (and iv used crapy paint with it to).
Just make sure that its on straight or else the balls curve right or left depending on how you have it set.
Other than that there is nothing wrong at all with this barrel get one for sure. :)

HollywoodHalo56

10-20-2003, 03:54 AM

If you have the money to spend on it yes buy it cause you'll like it. I had a friend who bought one and hated it cause it broke paint and "sucked" i took it off and reinstalled it for him and now it works fine :D . You just gotta have it on right and it should work like a dream for you. have fun.:jester:

mkn51

10-20-2003, 10:57 AM

I have a flatline, and I kind of regret it. It's good and all, but i would have rather gotten a jj ceramics barrel and a response trigger for about the same price.

AgentOrange

10-20-2003, 01:55 PM

Please do yourself a favor.... Dont get it. Don't waste your money, whether it works right or not, from what I have seen and as the same with any barrel it wont have greater accuracy. Yes it will give you greater range but it breaks balls way to often. There are much higher quality barrels for a lower price even.

Mongoose87

10-20-2003, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by AgentOrange
Please do yourself a favor.... Dont get it. Don't waste your money, whether it works right or not, from what I have seen and as the same with any barrel it wont have greater accuracy. Yes it will give you greater range but it breaks balls way to often. There are much higher quality barrels for a lower price even.

What you have seen? Once again, someone who "has seen a lot of em" or "my friend has one" says it sux....hmm.....but almost everyone who actually owns one says its awsome:eyes:

hmmm...makes me wonder....maybe these people who dont own one dont know what thier talking about and should just not post about it?

As far as greater accuracy....a 12 in. grouping at 185 feet seems like great improvement to me....you?

I wont even go into it breaking balls...IT DOES NOT....barrels dont break balls unless there is mud/dirt/paint/etc. inside the barrel or the paint is bad. (no, high rate of fire and the flatline will not break it either *tests with a-5 and e-grip prove it*)

spor

10-20-2003, 04:55 PM

ok here's my oppinion abt it....when will u need to shoot 150 ft. (other than a scenario game,be honest u can hardly ever get a clear 150 ft shot) i got shot with one last scenario and it just bounced off my leg...i mean i could see the ball coming towards me, it wuz going reeeeeeeeeeeeeally slow. i think you should get a nice barrel system for that much(like coenin said " 50-60 is worth it but u really don't need that.)

i say no

and by thw way...there are at least 8 of these kind of threads posted each day so plz check out the ultimate sticky.

Mongoose87

10-20-2003, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by spor
ok here's my oppinion abt it....when will u need to shoot 150 ft.

ALOT!!! I dont know about you (i play mostly woods) but i often have a major advantage because i can shoot where many others cant reach the other team, even on long speedball courses in a far back bunker, instead of arcing the ball i can just shoot straight (hence "flatline") and it results in the ball actually reaching the target faster than a normal barrel because there is no arc.

AgentOrange

10-20-2003, 06:46 PM

I have used one if you think I havent. Its just a newbie sales ploy by tippmann. It truly isnt worth it and a waste of money. I'm not telling you to go throw yours away, if your happy with it great, I'm just trying to steer new people away from buying it.

Mongoose87

10-21-2003, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by AgentOrange
I have used one if you think I havent. Its just a newbie sales ploy by tippmann. It truly isnt worth it and a waste of money. I'm not telling you to go throw yours away, if your happy with it great, I'm just trying to steer new people away from buying it.

Once again, my theory proves to be true! The "i've used one" or "my friend has one" once again, says it sux...to bad ive seen a total of about 2 people who actually own one and dont like it......hmmmm.......:confuse:

anyway, what dont you like about it? the fact that it can shoot 100+ feet further than your barrel ? (without chopping)
If you dont like it, tell us why

AgentOrange

10-21-2003, 04:16 PM

Well first everyone of my friends who has owned it either has bought a new barrel, sold it, or switched to stock barrel over it.

First I know it doesnt chop balls, the bolt does that, it breaks balls. Its very fickle and temperantal as if it wants to shoot rigt one day and not another. Its picky with paint, unlikley to get breaks at that 100+more ft you get. And its inacurate from what I've seen. Also I mainly play speed and airball so flatline isnt good for those at all, well it isnt for woods either.

Mongoose87

10-21-2003, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by AgentOrange
my friends who has owned it either has bought a new barrel, sold it, or switched to stock barrel over it.

First I know it doesnt chop balls, the bolt does that, it breaks balls. Its very fickle and temperantal as if it wants to shoot rigt one day and not another. Its picky with paint, unlikley to get breaks at that 100+more ft you get. And its inacurate from what I've seen. Also I mainly play speed and airball so flatline isnt good for those at all, well it isnt for woods either.

Hmmm...your friend you say? Funny how that works out....kindda like my little theory perhaps?

Anyways, as far as paint goes, its not that picky. I have tried many paint and gotten very few bad.

Brass eagle (dont recomnd for any barrel) had about 5 breaks in 1000 rounds....ok for a crappy brand
RPS-1 break in 1000 rounds...not bad at all
Diablo dusk- never had a break

If you are having one paint be good one day and no the next, then you need to take it out of the sun because paint doesnt just magicly change sizes on you.

Innacurate? if you call a 12 in. grouping at 185 ft. inaccurate, then by all means its inaccurate.

As for it breaking, it constantly breaks up to 185-190 feet. After that, id say about 1 out of two break. Now considering that the flatlines the only barrel that shoots that far, id rather take a 50% chance over 0%....wouldnt you?

Your right though, may not be the greatest barrel for airball, but it gets the job done.

AgentOrange

10-22-2003, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by Mongoose87

Hmmm...your friend you say? Funny how that works out....kindda like my little theory perhaps?

Anyways, as far as paint goes, its not that picky. I have tried many paint and gotten very few bad.

Brass eagle (dont recomnd for any barrel) had about 5 breaks in 1000 rounds....ok for a crappy brand
RPS-1 break in 1000 rounds...not bad at all
Diablo dusk- never had a break

If you are having one paint be good one day and no the next, then you need to take it out of the sun because paint doesnt just magicly change sizes on you.

Innacurate? if you call a 12 in. grouping at 185 ft. inaccurate, then by all means its inaccurate.

As for it breaking, it constantly breaks up to 185-190 feet. After that, id say about 1 out of two break. Now considering that the flatlines the only barrel that shoots that far, id rather take a 50% chance over 0%....wouldnt you?

Your right though, may not be the greatest barrel for airball, but it gets the job done.

First after this, I think I shall say no more (in this thread anyways, as what I'm saying I've said all to much as is). Also I must mention I do respect your opinions despite my disagreement with them. If your happy with your flatline line than by all means great for you. I have just seen and heard enough stories to make me want to disuade others from buying this barrel.

Your "theory" about the whole friend thing is just a justification out of convinance as I was smart enough to withold from buying a flatline. I got started in pb later than a few of my friends, I saw how crappy there flatlines performed (1\3 pbballs would break and the balls curving several feet after 30ft in range) I opted to not touch one with a 39 1\2ft pole.

As for the accuracy you have seen, I will not accuse you of lieing but I will personally not believe it until I have seen it. Also I discount the reliably breaking at 185ft-190ft as I often see, myself included, get bounces at under a hundred feet, while wearing normal pbbaling clothing. At 100+ It will hardly break unless it hits a hard target, such as mask, hopper or gun.

But as usual, to each his own, I dont like it but if you like than I'm happy for you.:)

Edit- Fixing gramitcal errors.

Mongoose87

10-22-2003, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by AgentOrange
Your "theory" about the whole friend thing is just a justification out of convinance as I was smart enough to withold from buying a flatline.

I got started in pb later than a few of my friends, I saw how crappy there flatlines performed (1\3 pbballs would break and the balls curving several feet after 30ft in range)

Also I discount the reliably breaking at 185ft-190ft as I often see, myself included, get bounces at under a hundred feet, while wearing normal pbbaling clothing. At 100+ It will hardly break unless it hits a hard target, such as mask, hopper or gun.

Actually my theory has yet to be disproven, why would i make it up since i already love the flatline and know it rocks and all the crap people say about it is not true?
If your "friends" balls were breaaking 1 out of three and balls curving after 30 ft., then they got some seriously screwed paint and/or they didnt have it installed corectly (as is the case among many newbies) Many tests (APG, ect) show that the flatline adds at least 100 ft. of range and breaks consistantly on hard surfaces at that range and it seems to be about 50% on people. Also, they tested it with an egrip and got zero breaks, so if your "friends" broke that many, they need to learn how to put on a barrel correctly.

Raptorz922

10-22-2003, 03:44 PM

I play with Mongoose all the time, and I have to say, he gets long range eliminations all the time.

chinesebugrepel

10-23-2003, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by Mongoose87

Once again, my theory proves to be true! The "i've used one" or "my friend has one" once again, says it sux...to bad ive seen a total of about 2 people who actually own one and dont like it

People who dont own it obviously dont like it and thats why they dont own it. People who do own it will obviously like it or they wouldnt keep it.

Oh, and I have no problems with flatlines, but your theory is flawed.

Mongoose87

10-23-2003, 04:43 PM

theorys flawed? not really, ive seen a total of 2 people who have actually bought the flatline and dont like it

Raptorz922

10-23-2003, 06:30 PM

Mongoose's theory is true. 98% of the people who don't like the Flatline haven't used it, installed it incorrectly, or used someone's incorrectly installed Flatline.

chinesebugrepel

10-23-2003, 08:20 PM

52%of all statistics are made up on the spot.

Seriously though, me and all 12 people i play with have tried out a correctly installed flatline with marbs, and only matt liked it. And he likes playing back. Most people who dont like flatline just dont like the style of play its made for.

willpill

10-23-2003, 08:25 PM

common. isnt this thread going too long?

Coenen

10-24-2003, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by chinesebugrepel
52%of all statistics are made up on the spot. :laugh:

Seriously, if you like playing back, and can accept the fact that the Flatline isn't the most accurate and doesn't always get breaks at long range(100'+) it's an excellent choice. If you don't need the extra range and can't accept the fact that a 50% chance of getting someone at long range is still better than a 0% chance you won't like it.

Some advice tho, lose the shroud, it'll be uglier but you'll be glad you did.

chinesebugrepel

10-24-2003, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by Mongoose87
theorys flawed? not really, ive seen a total of 2 people who have actually bought the flatline and dont like it

Dont take this too personally, but thats a bad example in my opinion. Youve only seen 2 buy it who didnt like it, but ive seen 6 or 7, not to mention 11 of my friends who all tested it out (correctly installed) and just didnt like it. Ive never seen anyone buy a cocker that didnt like it, but does that mean everyone should go out and buy and cocker? Of course not.

Im not dissing flatline, its a good barrel for some, but its not for everyone, and it sounds like you're trying to say that it is.

Mongoose87

10-24-2003, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by chinesebugrepel
not to mention 11 of my friends who all tested it out (correctly installed) and just didnt like it.

hmmmm...thanks for reinforcing my theory even more.

And btw, i didnt say its for everyone, just for people who like awsome accuracy and unbeatable range.

chinesebugrepel

10-24-2003, 01:41 PM

alright mongoose, stop with the theory. No one here has proved you're theory to be a good reason to buy the flatline. Your theory is correct, people who own it love it. Guess what, people who own jj ceramics, lapco bigshots, dye boomys, teardrops, etc. love them too. Thus, by your own theory, these barrels are just as good an idea as the flatline. Except for one thing, most anyone who just tests out these barrels like them, something that cant be said about flatline.

I will restate, flatline is good for alot of people, but the supportive end of that theory is true for lots of barrels, thus making it flawed as a reason for buying a flatline.

Zesty

10-24-2003, 04:03 PM

The Flatline really is a "love it or hate it" barrel.

I own one for my A5, so installation is really never a problem. The only way you can install it wrong is upside down, which would be pretty hard not to notice.

There are a few things I don't like about my A5 Flatline:

-Somewhat heavy- I haven't weighed it, but without a stock and running remote it makes the A5 rather front-heavy. Nothing unmanagable, but I would rather have better balance.

-Hard to clean- The A5 Flatline can't be unscrewed. The only realy way to clean it is with a straightshot. But honestly, I've never broken a ball with it. I typically use thicker-shelled paint anyhow though.

-Somewhat picky on paint- Not too bad, I have shot PMI Premiums ad they were pretty nice. Anything smaller than Premiums would be even better.

-Not as accurate as a quality standard barrel(LAPCO), but still able to hit within 12" circle at 100' without trouble. Not tack-driving, but by no means inaccurate

-Gun has to be basically straight up, no tilting of the gun or balls will wing off course.

If you can deal with that, the Flatline really is a HUGE advantage.

-I haven't measured, but I would definitely NOT argue the statement that it adds 100' of extra distance.

- The Flatline-fired paintball holds a higher velocity for longer distances, plus the backspin combine to give greater energy to the ball at longer ranges. Balls will break in those 100' extra.

-Looks (my opinion)

-Flat trajectory(ever seen a paintball fly perfectly straight? Not until you've seen a Flatline shoot you haven't!

-Only 9" long!!!!

If you can deal with the misgivings of the Flatline, the advantage it gives you cannot be equaled by anything. You can have a stock Tippy w/Flatline and keep pretty much any non-Flatline user out of range to hit you.

Even if you don't use the extra 100' of distance, the flat trajectory is probably the biggest advantage.

Don't knock it until you have tried it EXTENSIVELY. I see a lot of you saying "my friend" or "I heard".

I heard a lot of bad things about the Flatline too. I got one for my A5, and I definitely would disagree with the statement,"--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by AgentOrange
I have used one if you think I havent. Its just a newbie sales ploy by tippmann. It truly isnt worth it and a waste of money. I'm not telling you to go throw yours away, if your happy with it great, I'm just trying to steer new people away from buying it.

AgentOrange seems to diss a lot of things that he seems to know nothing about. Using the Flatline once is not enough to give a proper judgement.

I'm not saying you will definitely like it after using it for a few games, but you really need to get accustomed to the different flight pattern of a Flatline-fired paintball before you start passing judgement.

Zesty

Mongoose87

10-24-2003, 05:31 PM

^^^^:nod: :nod: :nod:

thank you Zesty! Very good summary of what ive been saying. i finally meet find someone elso who actually knows something about the flatline;) . What you said is very true. And once again, someone who actually has bought the flatline (zesty) says its good. Chalk one up on my theory is true list:laugh:

AgentOrange

10-24-2003, 06:37 PM

Mongoose-Can we please stop with the "theory" you have as its not a theory, if anything its an observation on your expirance. Its just rather annoying, not to mention a stupid justification.

Mongoose87

10-24-2003, 06:40 PM

justification?....nope, i love the flatline so i have nothing to justify. Just something ive noticed and as you can see, proven true multiple time

Coenen

10-24-2003, 06:47 PM

Scientifically speaking it's still a Hypothesis.

He'd need to test and survey until there was INCONTREVERTABLE EVIDENCE, then it would be a theory.
IF it was found that the theory was impossible to disprove then it would be a law.

We are talking about human opinion here, hardly something consistent enough to yield very many REAL theories and even fewer laws. The human capacity for unpredictability is what makes us so interesting.

Hence when we get a Flatline, borrow a Flatline, test a Flatline, we all have the capacity to make the descision as to whether we like it or not, but since we are all unique we all interpret the Flatline's performance qualities differently. These different interpretations lead to our opinions what one interprets as a short coming another finds a huge advantage. It depends on the person, eventually we will all fall victim to natural selection, if the Flatline gives a real advantage sooner or later it will be everywhere, if it doesn't it will go the way of shop goggles as a means of face protection.

Does everybody at least kinda sorta understand.

Mongoose87

10-24-2003, 07:00 PM

ok, i dont care what you call it, but as i have observed, i have posted in many many threads reguarding the flatline and other barrels and have seen only one or two people who bought the flatline and dont like it and seen many many many more people who love it....also noticed that a good number of people who dont own them and care to post about them, say they suck. Whatevr you want to call it, thoery, opinion, whtever....if u do a search for flatline threads, youll see what im saying

chinesebugrepel

10-24-2003, 07:15 PM

Lets say that i got a flatline and got to be amazing with it. So good that i could hold anybody out of their range and keep them from having a chance at coming closer. Even then i personally wouldnt be having as much fun as i do at the front under constant fire with a decent chance of getting nailed any time i pop my head out. Its exciting and fun for me, and you really cant argue that a flatline would be better for that sort of play.
Thus, its personal preference, as ive been saying and like coenen said. Its not a matter of how used to it you get or how good you are with it. Its a matter of preference and playing style. Thus you cant assume that people will like flatline if they give it some time, cuz most people dont want to waste their time experimenting with a playing style thats not fun for them.

Mongoose87

10-24-2003, 07:17 PM

yes, it is about style. I am there in th middle and back keeping people in front alive and getting the guys out-of-range for others on my team, just seems to suit me perfectly.

Zesty

10-25-2003, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by chinesebugrepel
Lets say that i got a flatline and got to be amazing with it. So good that i could hold anybody out of their range and keep them from having a chance at coming closer. Even then i personally wouldnt be having as much fun as i do at the front under constant fire with a decent chance of getting nailed any time i pop my head out. Its exciting and fun for me, and you really cant argue that a flatline would be better for that sort of play.
Thus, its personal preference, as ive been saying and like coenen said. Its not a matter of how used to it you get or how good you are with it. Its a matter of preference and playing style. Thus you cant assume that people will like flatline if they give it some time, cuz most people dont want to waste their time experimenting with a playing style thats not fun for them.

Just because you can doesn't mean you have to!! Just because I can confidently take shots out to over 200' doesn't mean I constantly do it to gain an unfair advantage.

The Flatline costs $100, has very "usable" accuracy, has flat trajectory that no other barrel has, and shoots 100' farther than any other barrel.

I don't feel the Flatline is at all overpriced because of this.

Just because I can pin a whole team down with my A5RT doesn't mean that's the way I play every game.

I typically use the flat trajectory to my advantage whenever I can.

When people talk smack about the Flatline, I make sure to show them that with it, I can make the day hell for them.

They typically have respect for what the Flatline can do after I hit them a few times at ranges that they won't even think about taking a shot from.

If I'm playing a big game, I'll mkake sure to show everyone that the Flatline most definitely isn't just a "newbie sales ploy."

I agree that using the Flatline to keep opponents out of range would get old after awhile. I also like to play more of a mid/front position.

Hell, my 8" Bigshot gets more use than my Flatline! But that's mainly because my firends always complain when I play with my Flatline on my A5RT.

That's because I can shoot farther and faster than any of them. I don't blame them!

Some people just don't fit the mold of a Flatline user. If you have used it and don't like it, that sucks for you.

If I didn't love my Flatline, I would have sold it for a small lose already. I simply don't play with gear that doesn't fit my style.

But it is true that many people talk smack about the Flatline without using it enough to give a real opinion.

If you don't believe that it will give you flat trajectory, 100' extra distance, and breaks out to those maximum ranges, you haven't used it enough to comment.

If you have seen the advantages, but just don't find them to suit your game, don't discourage people from trying out a barrel that may just fit them to a "T".

Ever heard of the Tippmann World Challenge? The Flatline has played a huge part in making team Tippmann back-to-back winners.

Zesty

Zesty

AgentOrange

10-25-2003, 01:30 PM

Why do you care so much what other people think? I have used the flatline, I think its terrible and at every opurtunity I can I will disuade people from buying it.

And really good luck with even trying to hold down an entire team with a flatline.

chinesebugrepel

10-25-2003, 02:29 PM

"Just because I can pin a whole team down with my A5RT doesn't mean that's the way I play every game"

Wow zesty, now your just lieing for the sake of a fleeting argument. I'd like to see you single handedly hold down even a whole team with anything. I sure know that no back player in any major tournament team bosts that they can do that. If your so good, then what team do you play for, ill watch the videos of your IAO games and judge for myself, cuz any team would kill for a back player that can hold down a whole team themselves. Theyd win every game.

People, i really have nothing against flatline, so dont let me turn you off to buying it. But if you are reading these outrageous posts, dont believe that youll ever be able to do what mr. zesty claims. If flatline was really that amazing, every single tournament team would have all of their back players using them.

Zesty

10-25-2003, 03:02 PM

Dude, if you don't think an A5RT w/Flatline will give any team serious problems, you just don't know.

When you see waves of paint coming at you at 200', it's kinda hard to get a shot off with a normal barrel/gun.

The A5RT Flatline combo really is that crazy. I'm not talking about a team of 20 or anything, but in a decent-sized woods game, having someone who runs with an A5RT/Flatline and knows how to use it is a huge strategic advantage.

I'm beginning to think you all play nothing but speedball and have no clue what a SAW gunner is. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Zesty

chinesebugrepel

10-25-2003, 03:17 PM

Youre half wrong, i play as much woods as i do speed. But I have now idea what a SAW gunner is.

And just for your info, I play woods well, better than i play speedball. I played for 2 years against tippmanns and spyders, one shocker and a mag using my old talon. I wont make an outrageous claim and say i was better than anyone there, but i usually got at least one kill a game, which is good when you think about it.

Now that i know youre talking about woods, i can easily disregard your "holding down an entire team" statement. Either you are lieing or youre playing against a team of newbs, cause no full team sticks that close together in woodsball if they know what they're doing. Only in big gamse like dday or long island. Smart players split up.

Zesty

10-25-2003, 03:23 PM

That's good to hear that you play woods and speedball equally often. I like both as well. It's just that a lot of local fields around here take advantage of the land and have woods fields.

You guys are the worst sarcasm detectors I've ever seen. I was joking around about pinning down and entire team, but I'm not kidding when I say that an A5RT/Flatline will have a distinct advantage over pretty much any other paintgun out there, let alone one's in its price range.

You guys here seem to focus too much on petty stuff rather than the real facts!

AgentOrange still hasn't told me another gun that can shoot 15bps using your air source for less than $300.

Zesty

chinesebugrepel

10-25-2003, 03:44 PM

Alright people, ive argued this far enough and really accomplished what i wanted to. Zesty has personally admitted that th e flatline isnt good for everyone and that it doesnt have amazing awesomeness in every form of paintball. Now that youve heard an actual flatliner say it, follow my advice. TRY IT FOR YOURSELF. You may like it, you may hate it. Its the only way to know, because most everyone is biased in one way or the other, as you may have already noticed.

Oh, and zesty, no hard feelings. I just dont want you giving people the wrong impression. And your statement about the 15bps thing is in the wrong thread.

Ill be happy to continue debating anyone who wants to keep this going, but I dont know if there's really all that much left to say.

Zesty

10-25-2003, 04:16 PM

Yes, as with anything, trying it out first is the best way to not be disappointed.

AgentOrange, I have nothing against you. You are entitiled to your opinion.

But all you seem to be saying is "that's not what I want/need" and you don't akknowledge that the A5 has way more potential and value than the M98C. I own both, and I'm just trying to dispell some myths about the A5.

And my M98C and A5 get the same effeciency, FYI.

Just because you play at a field that doesn't allow the RT doesn't mean that it still isn't the best gun for the price. I can use it, and so can many other people.

And I already admitted that a Mag does have the potential for having more consistent velocity, I'm not as stubborn as you are. But what good is that consistency when you can't pull the trigger more than 9 times a second?

I don't care if the Mag can theretically get 16bps, show me somebody that can pull it that fast.

Plus you'll need level X if you even want to start thinking about getting into that range without breakage.

You seem to buy a lot of used goods, and that's fine, but I'm talking about brand new Tippmann prices, not used.

Like I said, I could buy a used A5 w/E-Grip and LAPCO Bigshot for about $300 and I'll be able to hit 15bps, have modes of fire, still be legal at all fields, be accurate as can be, get great customer service, and I'll have the ability to switch to meachanical grip in less than a minute!

The Mag is more compact. That is about all I can see that you've proven. You must have a funny definition of the words "best" or "value" or something.

Zesty