RT Legal at all fields?

[Q98]

Is the rt on a m98 legal at all woods fields because I want to get one.

[Nitro]

why wouldnt they be? all it dose is a piston helps push the trigger forward.

[in trauma]

it should be

[ds613]

Originally posted by Nitro
why wouldnt they be? all it dose is a piston helps push the trigger forward.

That's true, but it fires just as fast as a full auto. It pushes the trigger forward with twice the power that it was pulled back with, so it's very similar to f/a.

[ds613]

It should be legal at almost all fields.

[Nitro]

no it dosent, it dosent shoot as fast as full auto, no where near it, if you ever have shot a rt you would know it just makes the trigger go back in place faster and if you dont full stroke it it will chop. you cant shoot no where near as fast as full auto without going chop chop chop

[ChristIsKing]

I know it's not legal at a field near me. I guess it's just close enough to auto.

[Halliday]

On more and more fields, RT's (Mags and M98's) are NOT legal. It depends on the owner/operator and the insurance they have.

[ds613]

Originally posted by Nitro
no it dosent, it dosent shoot as fast as full auto, no where near it, if you ever have shot a rt you would know it just makes the trigger go back in place faster and if you dont full stroke it it will chop. you cant shoot no where near as fast as full auto without going chop chop chop

Ok, "as fast as full auto" was a bad way to say it because a gun can shoot full auto at 3 bps. What I was trying to say was it shoots like full auto. You hold pressure on the trigger, and it fires VERY FAST:eek: around 10 bps, and yes it will chop a lot at that speed. (but the rof is adjustable:) )

My brother has an m98 rt.

[NoNames]

I don't know where you get your info, but and RT IS faster than a full auto gun. I don't know about the Tippmann, but the Automag R/T was pulled by a computer and hit 25 B.P.S. An Angel Maxes at 14, and I don't think the Matrix is any higher. So the RT is the fastest. What the RT does is it resets the trigger and sear, that's what the valve does with the excess gas. That's why there's the little macroline going from the front of the gun to your back. The gas comes from the front, if I'm right on this, to the back of the gun where you can adjust the ROF. Then it enters the part where the "piston" is that you feel on the trigger. How much pressure or how well you pull the trigger will determine how much of a burst you will get. The issue with the R/T is that they always can't be locked out, from what I've heard. You can turn some down, but not all the way, or some people just don't. It has been said that it's an unfair advantage. I think an issue was that some people with electro's have to lock their guns on semi, while R/T's can go wild. That was an issue at fields. That's all I know for now

[Halliday]

Originally posted by NoNames
I don't know where you get your info, but and RT IS faster than a full auto gun. I don't know about the Tippmann, but the Automag R/T was pulled by a computer and hit 25 B.P.S. An Angel Maxes at 14, and I don't think the Matrix is any higher. So the RT is the fastest. What the RT does is it resets the trigger and sear, that's what the valve does with the excess gas. That's why there's the little macroline going from the front of the gun to your back. The gas comes from the front, if I'm right on this, to the back of the gun where you can adjust the ROF. Then it enters the part where the "piston" is that you feel on the trigger.

Maybe. How does a ReTro valve work then? It's a drop-in mod for Mags, with the same standard air intake. Maybe that air passage hole is just bigger. I'm not exactly sure HOW it works, it just does :P

I think you might have that physical part wrong, but the 25/bps is right in that area. Now if I can only tune my trigger finger to shoot that fast.

[C4pyro]

Kay...NoNames not trying to be critcle but the angel ROF goes higher then 24 bps..its just a matter of the gun physically being able to do that properly as well as your trigger finger and the loader. Also the matrix maxes out at like 16.5 bps.

Anyways....its truely up to the field whether or not RT is allowed or not. As per tournies they are pretty much outta the picture. Nppl has banned them and I think everyone else is working on it because the aid that it gives is close to full auto. so It really depends on the field now. But tournies are defenately getting out of using RT's Hope this helps.

[AutocockerFreak]

On a automag the RT shoots faster than my bushy on full auto

[NoNames]

Switch
0=on 1=off Function
delay in seconds
F=bolt forward
D=between shots Max R.O.F
Shots per Second

0 0 0 0 F=0.035 D=0.025 16.7 <-From WARPIG.com
That's the Diablo Matrix fastet ROF. 16.5 said by Pyro, actually 16.7. Damn good knowing that. I remember seeing the Matrix video somewhere now, and them saying 16 b.p.s. I went to WDP's website, and they would only say 13 b.p.s as a cycle rate, not a max rate. As for the technical side of it/how it works. The Tippmann R/T, straight from tippmann.com-The response trigger kit increases your trigger speed by resetting the trigger and sear with excess gas during firing. This gas is used to operate a cylinder behind the trigger to do the resetting. The pressure of your finger on the trigger pulls it back to fire the next shot. The speed is determined by the amount of flow through the knurled adjuster on the side. The upper limit on the rate of fire is set by this adjuster. I'll find an Automag explanation later.
-Can anyone else believe Tippmann is selling sewing machines?-
-Model 98 R/T with add ons for sale-

[C4pyro]

NoName I'm not trying to be a jerk but just in the last post you said that the max rate of fire of an angle was 14bps but the board will allow you to set the bps to 15 even 17bps. And the matrix you said maxed out at a similar rate. I was not trying to bad mouth you. Your explanation was very good but I think you were just a little off on the bps stats thats all. But defenately a good explanation.

Anyways. The discussion my continue...hehehehehehe.

[NoNames]

Posted By c4pyro
NoName I'm not trying to be a jerk but just in the last post you said that the max rate of fire of an angle was 14bps but the board will allow you to set the bps to 15 even 17bps. And the matrix you said maxed out at a similar rate. I was not trying to bad mouth you. Your explanation was very good but I think you were just a little off on the bps stats thats all. But defenately a good explanation.

I didn't look at the board's settings, all I looked, just cylce rate (for the angel.) The Matrix I just found that on WARPIG. You can go and look at it yourself and read it, you'll understand it yourself more than when I attempt to explain it. It's one of the articles on the right, the matrix review.

[C4pyro]

Alls cool man. I knew the matrix was in the 16.something area. Anyways.