Silencers, Scopes, and other nifty stuff

[apoc_101]

Hey! who has a silencer or a scope or wants to know about them? I have both, and i wanted to compare silencer designs. I'll post a pic once i have one.

My silencer is a four-stage system simmilar to the first silencers ever made, developed by one of the Maxims (weapon designers back in the early 1900s). It is built of 1 1/2" pipe and jar lids with holes punched in them, and attached together plus some end caps (it sounds really crappy but it looks good and works GREAT). The paintball shoots through the silencer with no resistance, but the gas expands into the chambers and exits though holes in the back. This way, most of the sound escapes backwards, so the guy you're shooting at doesn't hear a thing.

The scope i have is a 4x25mm, and BTW, scopes can usally see past the elbow and hopper (mine can no prob) unless it is vert. feed, in which case you would have to mount the scope on the side. I find the scope is very handy in woodplay and long-range. When the scope is sighted properly, the accuracy is GREAT! plus, it also lets you get a closer look at opponents far away, and is good to find campers or ppl hiding.

If you have any questions or comments, or if you have a silencer or a scope and you wanna tell me us about how you designed your silencer, plz post.

[apoc_101]

Heres a crappy diagram of how the silencer works:
BLUE- gas, ex. CO2
BLACK- original barrel
GREY- silencer
YELLOW- the paintball stealthily headed for your opponents head

[hotshot409]

is a scope better then a laser dot sight?

[apoc_101]

i have both and i would have to say overall the scope is better. Its useful during the day and to some extent up to the evening, plus it is great for recon. The laser sight is better for fast target aquisition, because you can just point the laser at the taget. the downside is it is useless in daylight, but it is easy to see indoors, or from evening on to night. Im thinking of geting a red dot sight, because its usefull day to evening, its fast aiming, and perfect for paintball range and accuracy.

[hotshot409]

would the scope you have mount on a right feed 00' autococker? ... where can iget one? is there a better scope then another?

[big ugly spyder]

well first its called standard feed , and yes they mount right on your sight rail, and i am not sure on which kind are better but if you look in a hunting supply magazine like cabelas, or galls, you can definitely get one there.

[apoc_101]

most scopes can mount on a standard dovetail mount and it should be able to see over a powerfeed/standard feed elbow and all. However, if you have vertical feed, you must mount the sight on the side with a special side mount, like the one on the spyder Xtra.

[hotshot409]

where did u get urs and for how much? are their scopes better then urs? or they all basically the same

[apoc_101]

There are lots of types of scopes. Mine is a 4x25mm, which means it is 4x magnification and 25mm wide view. Scopes can go as high as 10x60mm or higher. Some scopes also have range-finding systems and lit crosshairs. The price ranges from $100-$1000 and up. There are also nightvision scopes and thermal scopes which are VERY expensive.

[hotshot409]

would you suggest 4 x 25 ? or soemthing different?

[Spyder^Man3k]

Ya know, they make scopes with laser dots in them...... :cool:

[apoc_101]

Well, the only type of scope ive used is a 4x25mm. I dont think any thing over 6x magnification would be all that useful for paintball, since paintball guns dont have the long range or accuracy of a real gun. However, i would definitely recommend a larger view range, since it would allow for wider view and faster targeting. maybe a 6x35mm, for example, or bigger, its up to you. Some scopes have adjustable magnification so for example 4x8x35mm. these types of scopes are more expensive. also, other nice features include lit crosshairs, fiber optic thread down the middle, or a red dot in the middle. I have never seen a scope with an actual laser inside, i think what spider man meant was it has a red dot in the middle of the crosshair. Nightvision scopes are much more expensive than normal scopes, but you can use them at night which gives the sniper a massive advantage. Most ppl dont play paintball at night though so thats kinda hard. Infrared or thermal scopes are at the highest end of the scope price spectrum, and are very hard to buy, since they are usually only for military and law enforcement use. thermal scopes allow you to see and type of heat signature, such as an opponents body heat, or his cold c02 tank. some are very sensitive and can see a footprint on cold grass that is 5 minutes old! you can also see through walls and plants with it so nobody can hide from one of these. i hope this helped.

[Paint Thief]

i saw a infrared scope at shop n' save.

[Desert Eagle]

just curious. your silencer diagram, it just shows the four slots. is there any foam padding in it anywhere? becuase other ways I've read to make them is with insulated porting barrel with a case around it? just wondering havent heard you plan b4, and its a good Idea with the gas coming tword you, how quite is it?

[apoc_101]

those silencers with the foam padding arent true silencers; they're mufflers. those actually work quite well, although my silencer gets rid of more raw sound. im actually gonna add a muffler onto the end my silencer to get rid of the last tiny bit of sound. I also upgraded it- i put alot of small holes around each of the 4 chambers, and then covered them with foam. this makes more sound get absorbed on the inside. ill post an updated diagram.

[apoc_101]

here-
the foam is green, and the rest of the colors are as b4-

[apoc_101]

ill make a nifty 3d diagram render with 3d studio with cross esction and all that fancy crap- that should give you a good idea and ill also make it with a muffler on the end

[pr0kch0p]

i wish i was a sniper so i could have cool stuff like silencers and scopes :rolleyes:

[HondaRacer2120]

i saw this really cool sight; it is called a hi-viz and it mounts on the tip of the barrel and needs no batteries. it costs 12.95

[apoc_101]

i dunno... ive seen em before and they dont look very useful since you have to be able to look STRAIGHT down the barrel which is usually not possible but if you could i might be somewhat accurate. ive never liked fiber optic sights that much though...

[apoc_101]

im getting my new dual sight rail, which, when coupled with my current sight rail, will allow me to use THREE sights... then ill get a red dot sight and i will dominate all! YEAH!!!! the new sight rail has a beavertail too so i can get a rear cocking bolt too. the sight rail is the one from the Spyder Xtra...

[Ebonclaw]

WHERE DID YOU GET A DUAL SIGHT RAIL? Gimme the link! I've been hunting for one everywhere!

[apoc_101]

they come on the Spyder Xtra- you will have to find some place that can order them iim getting mine at badlands in Vancouver BC CANADA

[apoc_101]

i did a saweet camo job on my gear its soooo sweet now i camo'd the the gun, hopper, scope, tank, and it looks great! now its so much harder to see

[Desert Eagle]

I'm working on my gun as I speak pretty much. I just got a shorter line for my expansion chamber, now I'm trying to make my own drop forward... cuz hell I'm cheap and never have any money to buy one :laugh:

[apoc_101]

hahahaha i made one too but im not done drilling the holes in it but when i am it will look nice heheh. Eventually i will buy a Custom Products Flame drop- they look the best! oh BTW if you want a really good rear cocking bolt, dont get a delrin, get a Swan Creek Rear-Cocking Spyder N-Bolt. they are self-lubricating, dont swell like a delrin if they get wet or oily, and are extremely light. really nice...

[davkad]

yeah, when i get my gun. i am going to make my own dropforward most likely. not for the fact that i'm cheap, but for the fact that it's more custom
the custom made dropforward can fit your co2 or n2 canister better than a bought one, and you can make it as long or short as you would like. Mushi told me how he made his, and mine will look sort of like his. He had a great idea in making his own, metal drop, and i thank him for revealing his method to me.

[Ebonclaw]

Hey Apoc, will that rail actually accomodate a scope? Looks kinda small to me. Do you know if it will fit on a Shutter?

[HondaRacer2120]

does anyone have or make a scope (the ones with cross hairs)
that will go on my x-tra (it has vert. feed)

[ThaFiend]

well my silencer is the same as the one that you can find plans for in a second. It's two pieces of pvc pipe and some brillo padding. I took the small pcv pips which fit snugly on my barrel, then I drilled about 100 holes with a 1/4" drill bit and wrapped the brillo padding around the part with the holes and then slid the bigger pipe on top of that one and it said to put caps err something on the end but I just duct taped it on, and it works great.........

[ThaFiend]

Honda racer just get the scope that they put on Steyr Augs, they sell them to miners (if you are one) and I bet there's some way to get them on a paintball marker.

[apoc_101]

about the spyder Xtra and the dual sight rail... It is true the spyder Xtra sight rail is too small to mount most scopes since they usually have two mount pieces, about 2 inches apart, which is too long for the rail, but, since i have powerfeed, i can put my old sight rail on top of the spyder Xtra dual rail (by using a longer screw, available at a hardware store) i can still use a scope, plus TWO other sights, although i only have a laser and a scope. Ebonclaw, i have worked on a shutter before and im pretty sure you can use the Spyder Xtra rial on it- only problem is you couldnt use a scope unless you had a non-beavertail rail to go on top of the dual rail. Hondaracer, it would be very hard to put a scope on a spyder Xtra without an extra rail, which is impossible anyways since the Xtra has vetical feed, making center-mount sights impossible. you would need some kind of dovetail expansion for the side mount to make it long enough for a scope. And BTW, you can get scopes all over the place; try a hunting store, a gun store, a camera store, or some place like Canadian Tire or any big multi-service hardware store. I got mine from a friend who has about 6 scopes (one of which has lit crosshairs and very wide view, not to mention 8x magnification) but ive seen scopes at several stores. A gun store or outdoor store would be the best bet, or they could at least tell you where to buy one.

[mikek2111987]

hey apoc does that silencer design really work? it seems like it wouldnt because its like a continuation of the barrel but it just go strait through,right?

[snipinhick]

the sliencer will work. it lets air out in the opposite direction of the ball tavel and absorbs some of the noise. i have seeen one i didn't know wasn't the barrel. i will get some sort of design of it up because the guy explained it to me.

nyuck nyuck

[apoc_101]

ya and ill post a 3d render diagram once i have the time...

[ZeroHawk]

Hey apoc, what did u use to paint up your gun and accessories?

[Desert Eagle]

Well I asked my art teacher in school the other day the best way to paint a paintball gun. And she said hit it with a coat of rustoleom, (spelling) then use car paint, and hit it with a coat of sealent.

[apoc_101]

well, i didnt directly paint my gun i put black electrical tape on it really neatly, and painted that camo. i put the tape on in an anti-profile pattern that cuts up the profile of it and makes it blend in better. i know a guy who painted his gun with high quality car paint and did it properly and all but it chipped off after a while so the only way to really paint a gun would be anodizing or powder coating.

[mikek2111987]

there was one guy on the forums who did this, he said he put 3 coats of paint on then lots and lots of sealent. nad it also looked cool

[Hsuve]

Originally posted by apoc_101
oh BTW if you want a really good rear cocking bolt, dont get a delrin, get a Swan Creek Rear-Cocking Spyder N-Bolt. they are self-lubricating, dont swell like a delrin if they get wet or oily, and are extremely light. really nice...
Swan Creek? Who makes those? Swan Creek sounds familiar... Made by Dalum by any chance? :) Anyways, delrin is fine. They're self lubricating, and my Bushmaster delrin bolt has yet to swell... ;) Fits in very well, and hasn't swollen up yet.

[apoc_101]

ya check out the review of them on this site i hear the N-bolts are really nice...

[apoc_101]

as far as i know theyre made my Swan Creek, and are available for Spyders, Autocockers, and Angels. Im guessing theyre made for 98s and other guns too.

[apoc_101]

*they're made by Swan Creek

[snipinhick]

hey could you send the design for your silencer to my e-mail address.

newhampshirehick@hotmail.com

i want one on my BB gun. that thing is too loud. the damn mice here me shooting and run away.(i kill mice in a friends barn for him)

[apoc_101]

just wait till i finish the 3d diagram then ill post a full instruction on how to make a nice silencer... im almost done the diagram...

[apoc_101]

hey Hsuve, you should Sticky this thread it has good info on it concerning lots of special stuff

[Ebonclaw]

Well...except for the fact that silencers are illegal. Well, if you call the "air dispersion devices" to "help with accuracy" you're cool.

[Hsuve]

I'm not real sure as to whether I should sticky this or not... Yes, it does have good information, however, yes, silencers are illegal, even for paintball use. Read that off a recent APG with Professor Paintball or somethin'. Stickying this thread may be for good use, but if some law guy comes in, he may think we're supporting illegal actions...

[apoc_101]

ok, how about we refer to those things as gas supressors or mufflers... a muffler is legal, although the term "supressor" is the proper term for a silencer... how about mufflers?

[apoc_101]

speaking of quiet stuff, those AAs are really quiet! my fried has one, and we were playing and all you hear from a long ways away is the ball hitting you in the head!

[apoc_101]

should i make a new thread without the word "silencer" and put in all the good stuff on scopes, mufflers, n other cool stuff?

[Hsuve]

I say don't bother. I'm not going to sticky it, as it's still talking about silencers. You can call it a muffler, you can call it a supressor or whatever, but in the end, it's still a silencer... :|

[BlindSeaman]

How is a silencer on a p-ball gun considered illegal? A p-ball gun, is not an insturment to hurt someone, it is sporting equipment. Hell, a muffler is a silencer and no one complains about that.:D

[Steny]

well i tried making one today and things didn't end up like i wanted them to:| . This is what i did, i got two pvc pipes (white plastic pipes) 1 inch and 1 1/2 inch. The one inch didn't exactly fit my barrel so i lined each end with duck tape until it fit. Then i drilled a lot of holes in it. I used a 5/16 bit, i think. Then i used pipe insulation, it was more like the normal insulation but cut into thinner strips that weren't as wide, and wrapped it around the 1 inch pipe. I then placed the 1 inch pipe into the 1 1/2 inch pipe and taped with duct tape and electrical tape so that it was sealed. For the other end i drilled four hole and placed four srews in it to hold the end of the pipe, closest to the gun steady without restricting air flow. I then tried it and it sounded the same with the "silencer" on it or not:pissed: . Any suggestions? Thanks Steny

[Hsuve]

Originally posted by BlindSeaman
How is a silencer on a p-ball gun considered illegal? A p-ball gun, is not an insturment to hurt someone, it is sporting equipment. Hell, a muffler is a silencer and no one complains about that.:D
From what I read from the November issue of APG, a silencer for anytime of "gun" is illegal. It was part of the Professor Paintball article that's like in every issue...

[apoc_101]

ok, so how about those things that quiet the shots of your gun are called mufflers, after the popular automotive component... a new thread called "mufflers, scopes, and other politically correct items".... thats sounds.... nice...

[apoc_101]

ok steny your um *cough* muffler needs to have more holes inthe smaller pipe... make it alomst see through, then insulate it, the put the larger pipe over it, which should probably have several holes in it too, but not as many... make sure the insulation is not too thick like it has to be quite soft actually so the sound doesnt just go past it.

[BlindSeaman]

What does trying to silence your p-ball gun actually help? "maybe" if your playing woods, but its not worth the hokeyness and extra length brought by one. Ahhh, and why always on spyders? It just makes spyder owners look more Newbieish.

[Hsuve]

Like I said earlier, you can call them what you wish, but they still remain silencers no matter what... They still serve the purpose of quieting your marker.

[apoc_101]

oh well...