omen vs. vf autococker

[evil4ever]

I have $450 to spend on a new gun. For this price I have been looking at the 2k3 vert feed cocker or the omen. I'm a back player so I need distance, accuracy, and speed. I know the omen has a higher rate of fire but I'm still not sure. I've read reviews and this didn't help so please give me your suggestions.;)

[rdtmk]

my brother has a vert cocker and that thing is just awesome. it is the most comfortable gun ive ever held and the trigger pull is insanely short for a mechanical. you can even walk it! :eek:

it is easy to hit BPS rates of 10 and above with the cocker so id say cocker just because its so sweet.

[Spartan 2]

Accuracy? Um...all guns are the same closed bolt Open bolt it does not matter, it's the regulor and the barrel that matters.

Distance? ALL guns shoot the same distance at the same velocity. All guns must shoot under 300 fps to be legally safe.

Speed. Electro vs mech, the Omen wins.

Now the Vf cocker cost's $350, but if you look around you can get a NEW omen for almost the same price. The stock Omens beats a cocker out of the watter very easily. Of corse it's faster, on a stock cocker they are limited to 9 bps if you can pull that fast...which I dout VERY much(if you only know how fast 10 bps really was) The Omen shoots at 15 bps and you can easily pop out fast burst with it, you can't do that with a cocker.

On the Note of accuracy, if you want to believe that closed bolt is more accurate then fine, because the Omen is closed bolt too. It also comes with a stock barrel that is at least 10 times better then the cockers, and a a Regulator that is one of the best available today.

The Omen beats the cocker in speed, accuracy, and do not forget anti-chop. the Omen will not chop out of the box because of cam...the cocker is a blender out of the box..

[evil4ever]

I think i'm going with the omen because it already has some of the best parts on it and if I bought the vf cocker I would have to upgrade it a lot to get it to even compare to the omen.:D

[rdtmk]

ummm...the 03 vert cockers are capable of 13 bps...

and it is very easy to shoot that fast because they all come with a hinge trigger frame now and the trigger pull is insanely short and relatively light compared to the older models...

try shooting an 03... they are very different from 02s and whatnot.

[rdtmk]

out of everything i recommend a Bushmaster tho :D

*looks at sig*

the B2K3 is the most beautiful gun ever created ;)

[Calebd2]

I have owned/own a couple cockers. Truthfully I'd have to go with the Omen over the cocker. Like Spartan said, Accuracy and Distance will be the same with both markers. I find that you can rip much faster on an Omen than an Autococker. Also, I find that the feel and looks of the Omen are better than the cockers.

[Spartan 2]

I would absulitly love to see you shoot 13 bps on a stock 03 cocker man. The trigger ful may be light but it is sooo freaking long! I'll bet you $50 if you come down hear and prove it over a crono.

[rdtmk]

^the trigger pull on my bros 03 vert cocker is about the same as my old Black Dragun...

i dont know why you are making the trigger pull out to be so long?

i can freaking walk the trigger...

im in Maryland too ;)

[Calebd2]

I can guarantee you right now that you are not pulling 13bps on a hinge trigger.

[Spartan 2]

If you walking the trigger then it's NOT stock. You can get a New 3way like the bomb and have the trigger adjusted to a 3 mm pull. After that it is then posible, but still not A 13 BPS WALK. But were talking stock right....I am at least

[Wierd-Guy]

I own a cocker and have shot a couple Omens.

Cocker- I like em' some people don't. Make sure to shoot a nice one to decide if you want one. Cockers have no kick, unlike the Omen. This is the Omen's weakpoint. More Kick=Bigger Grouping=Not as accurate. The speed on a meck cocker maxes out as 9 but they can cycle,technically, 19 balls a second because that is the max on the stock ram. But remember, you woun't be able to get that fast with your fingers. Now if you can get more money in a couple months then definetly get the cocker because an E-Bladed Cocker owns any Omen (I'm proud of my E-Outkast!). But if you only have enough for a stock cocker or omen, your choice.

Omen-Stock its pretty fast. The board is capped at 15bps but I'm guessing the averqge user shoots 11-13bps. The trigger is nice, easy to snap and walk. The kick of the gun is a bit more than I'd like but if you like the gun it shouldn't stop you from choosing an Omen. Me, I'd like to have a Omen as something fun to mess with but could hardly use it as my main gun.

Just make sure to shoot:
An Omen
A good Mech cocker
and a Nice E-Bladed one

Your choice, but the last one is only if you have more money later.

[ShadowWalker]

Originally posted by rdtmk
^the trigger pull on my bros 03 vert cocker is about the same as my old Black Dragun...

i dont know why you are making the trigger pull out to be so long?

i can freaking walk the trigger...

im in Maryland too ;)

my bro has a stock vf 03 cocker. the trigger pull is pretty lengthy and there is no way you could walk it. i've shot it and don't like it just because i short-stroke a lot. i also don't like it because i can't get the speed to cover people/lanes very well.

my friends omen shoots like a dream. 1/2 mm trigger pull, a non e-bladed cocker can't compete with that. the upgrade board for the omen is really cheap and it has one of the best regs availible as already stated. the kick isn't bad due to the adjustable recock. it also has the cam feed which is cool.

oh and the omen still has a back block:D

[bunkerking_860]

ok

no and i mean no stock auto cocker can be walked
i own a black dragun that will out shot it any day.
i have a friend with a pretty triked out auto and he still can't walk it, its just to long of a pull, and to hard of a pull, the black dragun has about a mm pull. no way cocker can out shot it stock.

[storm10]

if you set up the omen right you shouldnt get much kick at all on the omen

[Scrat]

I have been considering the omen. I do own a 03 Autococker and have every Orracle part and some free flow parts in my autococker and its true. If you want a fast cocker its gonna take some money. Stock cockers right out of the box just straight up suck. After about 700 dollars of upgrades then the cocker shoots good. I have shot the omen and there pretty decent for 400-450. They have mad speed. And I really feel in my personal opionion that autocockers belong mech. I myself have seen many people with eblades and race frames break down. (Not saying that all markers dont break down because they do). I've had some time to go to my pro shop and fire the Omen at a few targets. One thing its got is Speed and lots of it. Recoil seems to be a issue which can be cured with a few adjustments and a good drop forward of your choice. Stock barrel is 50/50. I prefer smart parts barrels any one piece will do me fine since my local field allows BYOP. After all if your lookin for speed the omen has it. Just dont use crappy paint. Evil, Marbleizer, Hellfire seem to work fine with no breaks. Make sure that you have a nice feeding hopper. Evo or Halo will do fine. N2 is a must. :D

[ShadowWalker]

when buying a halo, realize you need to adjust the tension on it. this means not using it to its full potential and wasting your money. i would recommend buying an egg, and later on a z-board when they are widely availible. hpa is not a must on the omen either. it can run on antisiphoned co2.

[Pyrox27]

Um stock 03 cockers are actually pretty nice in trigger. But however you come up with " walking it " is a bunch of B/S. One of the naughty dogs < I forget who ethier Rock or Sonny says he can only hit 10bps on his TRICK cocker. I think you are really lieing.

[ShadowWalker]

naughty dogs are rockin e-cockers now though. i agree the triggers on stock cockers are nice, but walking them is impossible. there is a kid by me who has a wgp hinge on a 98 cocker, but for some reason it is lighter than my bro's. still no where near walking though.

[Calebd2]

Ok, I think we've determined that you can't pull very fast on an autococker. Back on topic guys. :rolleyes:

[Pyrox27]

Yeah I'm talking about back in the wgp hinge trigger days for the dogs.


Read about it at www.worr.com

[Sam#27]

I would go with the Omen, heres why, the cocker is kinda crappy stock my friend has one and i suppose its alright but i hate the hinge trigger, cause i am used to my blade intelliframe for my oh-so0o-sexy mag. Ne ways, like said before the cocker really does have to potential of being kick but that is about 500 dollars later, where as the omen is ready to rock out of the box, omens are sweet, 03s are , meh, but ban be awesome if u are willing to put forth the cizash.

[RoCa]

What site has the Omen for the cheapest price?

[ShadowWalker]

from a store,they are all going to be $450. evil price locks them. Try ebay, i got mine there for $405 and my friend got his for $375.

[bildo]

why not just go for a TES, then upgrade to a "the one" after it comes out.. includes anti-chop eye.. 20bps cap.. what else would u guys want? and the tes is way cheaper then the omen, and with "theone" upgrade.. it would even be electro pnuematic

[ShadowWalker]

um...cause evil owns.

[bildo]

ya, WGP 0wnz 4ll d4wG.... :rolleyes: IMO TES seems to b a better choice.. specially with the "the one" upgrade.. which can be put on any spyder/clone gun..

[Natedowg]

Originally posted by bildo
"the one" upgrade.. which can be put on any spyder/clone gun..


Wait...It can be put on a Spyder? I thought it could just be put on a T.E.S.

[ShadowWalker]

whatever, i love my omen.

[bildo]

ya, i guess... on the dragun website they have a spyder victor with the one upgrade on it..

[shortyisdabomb]

Well I have owned an electro and I hated it. The bad thing about them is the batteries, once your battery is low the gun wont shoot all the time which = you getting bunkered and are done for the day. I own a cocker and am very pleased with it. I have spent over 700 easily but I think that it was worth it all the way. Please just go with the cocker and upgrade it.

[ShadowWalker]

ok well this was more or less dead.

and as far as the battery goes, charge it overnight the night before you play. a battery is good for 20,000 shots (rechargable).

[bildo]

isnt the new omen EF1 or whatever a closed bolt design? also it has a mechanical antichop bolt. and force fed vertical feed. sounds like it maybe better then a cocker stock.. but i cant really say because i dont know the price of the EF1, but its 15bps cap.. sounds pretty nice..

[daveczrn]

All Omens are exactly the same. They are all closed bolt. they all have the same bolt. And they have a mechanical feed that makes it damn near imposible to chop. The prices are the same with all omens with the exception of the fad anodized one's, they are more expensive and the only diffrence is the anodizing.

As for the Omen being better than the autococker stock.... I would say yes.
the detonator regulator saves you $100 that you would have to upgrade on the autococker to get the same consistancy.
the barrels most people upgrade anyway but if you get a chance check out the Omens stock barrel. very smooth and i would use it in a tournament anyday.
Omen doesn't need to be timed, ever.
Omen's cam feed system Keeps it from choping even if your hopper doesn't keep up with the marker.
You can get a higher rate of fire with the Omen.

[ShadowWalker]

dave i'm glad to see you around here. i'm nightcrawler over at pbn. :D

[daveczrn]

cool... just trying to spread the Omen love.

I just got a killer deal on an 02 autococker...got it sitting on my desk infront of me. I paid $50 for it. i think i will keep it as a back up to my Omen right now.

[evil4ever]

Well I ended up getting an Impulse w/ tapeworm and a blade trigger.

[ShadowWalker]

hopefully you don't need to spend too much money to get it up to par.

[vassili17]

OKay I don't know much about omens I have a cocker 2k2 and put about a g into it. I have a dye swing trigger and eventually will get a eblade. But my question to you all is "I heard the omen was a cocker." Is that true? Also whats the difference between a omen and a evil dark omen?

[evil-fish808]

i would say go with the omen, you want accuracy, that was what evil new two in one barrel was designed for, and for you being a back player, the supreme rate of fire with it longrange accuracy, is perfect, and better yet its a whole lot cheaper than cocker, or angel speed. Iam a back player myself, so trust me on this, the most you might want to spend is maybe 60 bucks, depending on the store, is a 12-14 inch barrel. And it takes cocker threads.

[smplbz]

I would go with a 03 vert so much potential.

[vassili17]

Okay by hearing you, you sound likey ou work for evil. First of all cocker and omen is closed bolt. Which means they have same accuracy. With eblade cocker is faster. by 6 balls a second approxy. I have a c ocker and am proud. I just need a orracle body and a eblade (i have right feed so the eye doesn't work) I have bad experience with omens. so Yeah it's total preference.... btw i'm a front player :)

[ShadowWalker]

way to bring this back from the dead twice over now....

[vassili17]

Oops, I was talking to evil fish btw. And i'm sorry It said I got a post from here.

[evil-fish808]

1. Shadow I know it was dead, hey but jesus was ressurected too.
2. I dont work for evil Iam the averge joe.
3. Its my prefference as well, there is no right or wrong answer here, just opinions, thanks though, so far i heard nothing from the angel fans.

[daveczrn]

Originally posted by vassili17
OKay I don't know much about omens I have a cocker 2k2 and put about a g into it. I have a dye swing trigger and eventually will get a eblade. But my question to you all is "I heard the omen was a cocker." Is that true? Also whats the difference between a omen and a evil dark omen?

Originally posted by vassili17
Okay by hearing you, you sound likey ou work for evil. First of all cocker and omen is closed bolt. Which means they have same accuracy. With eblade cocker is faster. by 6 balls a second approxy. I have a c ocker and am proud. I just need a orracle body and a eblade (i have right feed so the eye doesn't work) I have bad experience with omens. so Yeah it's total preference.... btw i'm a front player :)

I have an Omen,well 3 omens, and i bought them all for a grand total of $950. and i have bought.....a feed neck and drop for them. Hmmmm. and with a chip upgrade($50) i get 25bps max with adjustible debounce and rof. so with your $400 eblade you are how much faster than my $50 upgrade? i don't know enought about the eblades specs.
A Evil dark Omen is just someone trying to sell thier omen and making it sound better. an Omen is more like a spyder than it is a autococker.

[evil-fish808]

well omens are not like any other gun out there in the market. Yes it might look like some others and have a similar closed bolt but trust me when you got one and you fire it, you can tell its a whole new animal, and thats with a stock trigger, and barell, all others talk about investing a grand or so into a cocker with an e-blade trigger but just remember this is out of the box, and a whole lot cheeper, not saying you wasted money but i dont think everyone has a g to spend on one gun. Now comparing omens to spyders is like comparing honda to toyota, there is alot of uprades for hondas and a lot of you swear by it but toyota is built with quality and tested out in the field to handle. AKA.. no contest. Here is one question, a spyder out of the box is what $200 and with all the upgrades you want to put on it, how much is that compared to an omen out of the box, which is virtually ready to go for competition. Which is the better value?

[Spartan 2]

Omen.


Actually, a stock Omen is pretty much as fast as a e-blade. How can I know this you ask? because I HAVE ONE. I have a 2003 system X vengance 2.0 body witha e-blade on it ans shocktech pneumatics. I can barrly dry fire it as over 10 bps. The triggter is so freeking hard to walk. I'd say the speeds are the same with the stock Omen; however, once you get a PDP on the Omen for $50 is will be a hec of alot faster then the e-blade. I have not shot a pdp Omen yet, but the videos contest it, and I'll have one soon.

I'd rather have a Omen with flush cocker, pdp and a pip[e barrel then any e-cocker out there. But thats just my personal prefference.

[vassili17]

You must not of timed the cocker eblade good then. I've shot a eblade and it is so easy to walk imo. I can get like 17 but I don't have a fast trigger finger. omen stock I don't like the omen trigger feel.
LEt's sum this up: In your opinin you hate the eblade trigger and love the omen trigger. In my opinion I love it and hate the omen trigger

Closed (you like that don't you amzingspyder) ;)

[Spartan 2]

Timming a ccker has abosultly nothing to with with how fast you can shoot it. Right now I have it set on factory fast/16 bps...Plus you have to have smaller handes to go fast...do you know what I've heard about people with small hands?

[ShadowWalker]

not to mention the e-blade times itself and all...

[evil-fish808]

a friend of mines tested his cocker...Hahaha.....and when he tested my gun he said in his exact words "that f**kin' gun is freakin scarry"
and this guy is a long time cocker fan, and yes his guns all have Eblades on em, he swears by them. Well all I can say is another has succumed to the temptations of the Evil Omen.


P.s. Anyone know where I can find that pdp chip?
and If I should go with a barrel kit from WGP, or Dye?

[daveczrn]

www.pdpaintball.com

email him and ask about it. he should get back to you pretty quickly

[vassili17]

Your right it times itself. I meant adjusting the trigger (pulling out the spring on mech cockers etc.) You can walkt het rigger easily. I get everyrthing done by the pro shop and I shot this one gun that was really easly to walk. Idk.

[vassili17]

No spartan, tell us all what your "smaller hands theory" is. I'd love to know.

[bildo]

Originally posted by vassili17
Your right it times itself. I meant adjusting the trigger (pulling out the spring on mech cockers etc.) You can walkt het rigger easily. I get everyrthing done by the pro shop and I shot this one gun that was really easly to walk. Idk.

umm correct me if im wrong.. but im pretty sure that the eblade doesnt have a spring returned trigger.. they have a magnetic one that is adjusted by movin the magnet closer or further away from the repeling magnet on the trigger..

and i have to agree.. walkin ebades seem a little funky on my part.. because it has the grooves and it just seems like i can do better with one finger then two.. my two cents in the matter..

double posting is also a no-no:finger:

[ShadowWalker]

e-blades have a flat blade style trigger. worr-blades have the groove.

[Spartan 2]

OK but you asked you it.

It's not a theory, is a well known fact that if your hads are small you have a small ****, this means your man hood is very small and your not very mature, your also very much unable to deal with complex surcumstances hence forth you shall now be known a bimbo the incredable e-blade walking ho.

:D

[BlueDragonDH]

So thats y my hands are so big no thx for clearing that up spartan :D

[ShadowWalker]

lets get off the subject of peoples wangs:rolleyes:

[Spartan 2]

It's ok...as long as you have big hands it's all cool :) Thats why evil made the trigger guard bigger. They did not want to only market the gun to kids....

[vassili17]

I'm correcting people. That theory is very false. I'm not telling you how I know, why I know (I am NOT ). But it was a THEORY and not a fact.