Paintball Technology and Improvements

[sosoDAF]

My dad's friend is head of a licensing office, and he said that he might be getting into paintball, and improve on the design, and preformance of upgrades, and accessories, and also will make new ones. I was wondering if you guys had any ideas.
Thanks!

[sosoDAF]

By the way, I wasn't sure whether to put this in Off Topic, or General Paintball Talk.

[Rancid Coleslaw]

How about standardized parts. Why should each marker have different barrel threads? I don't think he can do anything about that though...more of a rant.
How about a way to make cheaper paint. Paint is the most expensive part of paintball, and it's often the reason we can't play as often as we'd like, and sometimes the main reason people quit. They just can't afford it. Can't play with it, can't play without it.

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

I just thought of somthing. If one company that sold good paint were to undersell their competitors, then they would sell so much of it that they would make up for the profits. Now somone who knows about busness will tell me why that wouldnt work

[sosoDAF]

Good points.
But I dont think I could change the threads on all the guns made, and I am not talking about producing paint, just making products better.
For instance: I thought of making really thin aluminum shells for VL Revolutions, and VL Evlution II's, that way, they would not break, and snap.
Thanks for your responses!

[E r y k]

make a paintball making machine... since your in GA like me, you can hook me up :)

[thepeashooter]

Originally posted by E r y k
make a paintball making machine... since your in GA like me, you can hook me up :)


They already have them, its the exact same machine that makes Pills and Bathbeads

[PbSkater490]

Wow that would be real nice, having like a case of paintballs be $20. I would play every day!

[Vaypourus]

Thin aluminum would be more expensive than plastic. It would also be just as likely to break or bend unless you made the walls pretty thick methinks.

The nice thing about plastic shells is that they are cheap and easily replaceable. They are also light, and you can see through them.

I don't see a need to try to improve on something that already works very well.

I would like to see a paintball coalition among the manufacturers to do several things:

Standardized parts and threading.

How nice would it be to be able to swap barrels between every gun made? How about solenoids, screws and o-rings that could taken from one gun and used in another? While I realize alot of parts are unique to each gun, there are alot of parts that do not need to be re-made by each gun maker. Why does each gun need a differet detent?

Coarse threading instead of fine.

I could never understand why paintball always used fine threading. Coarse threading would cut down on the amount of stripped threads drastically. Aluminum is too soft of a metal for fine threading.

Standardized paintball size.

Why do we need paint that ranges from .682- to .694?? Can't we stick with one size?

Universal mount for all tanks.

I am sick of seeing all of the different kinds of mounts for tanks. Manufacturers should stick with one design, whether it be rail mount, two hole, flatline mount, dovetail, kapp drop zone II style, or nitro duck style. One drop to fit all tanks would be nice.


Doing just some of these things would make paintball quite a bit different.

[sosoDAF]

Thanks to all who have responded so far, but does anyone have any easier ideas?
Like ones that we could manufacture?

[E r y k]

an aluminum shell for various loaders... and aluminum feed necks also.

especially for the egg.

[sosoDAF]

Would anyone buy the aluminum feedneck for the evo, if I made it?
It wouldn't be too expensive.

[the other one]

if i had an evo, maybe.:rolleyes:


i'd like to see a loading system that didn't create so much of a target. like the warp feed, but less of a bulky thing.


hmmm... maybe a flat panel of paintballs or something... i dunno.

[E r y k]

Originally posted by sosoDAF
Would anyone buy the aluminum feedneck for the evo, if I made it?
It wouldn't be too expensive.

you got a buyer right here.

[sosoDAF]

Cool.
Anymore peple have ideas?

[sosoDAF]

Just think- This is your chance to make your own idea.

[arson51]

i woudl like to see a quite goggle fan. when jt made theres they had to choose the nosiest weakest most ill made motor on the market. if the fans didnt sound like an empty hopper spinning, i would buy one.

[arson51]

actually im farily sure they used the same motor on the 9v hoppers as they did on the fan ;)

[E r y k]

just make on w/ a computer fan

many companies make sealth fans, i have some in my case, you cant even hear them.

[arson51]

but they are quite large

[jonbob]

I know this isn't quite as revolutionary, but if you made a loader shell that was either of a higher-quality plastic, or reinforced somehow so it was less likely to break, people might buy it. They already do that with hockey sticks by molding strips of carbon fiber into them. If you placed carbon fiber in the feedneck and ran it vertically into the main part of the hopper, it would be much harder to break.

You could also make the shells look a little better then charge people more for them, like put cool flame patterns in the plastic or something.

[sosoDAF]

cool

[sosoDAF]

any more?

[Blacksheep]

Reliable, magazine-fed gun...

[arson51]

magazine feeds, dont have as a high ammo capacity as hoppers do, even if they do not use batteries and feed faster, they will be more unreliable over time, as the springs will wear out, and will need replacing.

anyways, they idea has already been adopted. look up q loader. reminds of the magazine on the bizon SMG

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg08-e.htm

[XtraBoy]

i was gonna take this idea and change hoppers with it... but i'll guess i'll let it seep ou then kick myself when its a standard...



how about padded hoppers??? i dont know how many times someone has been bunkered because they were reloading and the other player heard the rattling of the paintballs...

[Blacksheep]

Originally posted by arson51
magazine feeds, dont have as a high ammo capacity as hoppers do, even if they do not use batteries and feed faster, they will be more unreliable over time, as the springs will wear out, and will need replacing.

anyways, they idea has already been adopted. look up q loader. reminds of the magazine on the bizon SMG

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg08-e.htm

There are some of us that only use 20-30 rounds in a game.

The magazines should last a long, long time if you don't clip ammo for extended periods of time (Marines don't, only when they go to war....that means they don't have loaded Shotguns and M16s sitting around everywhere because the springs wear out...same reason they tell you not to keep a gun cocked for extended periods of time).

[Assass!n]

I'd like to see carbon fiber tanks that fill to 10,000 or more PSI.
Also, the standardized parts would be very nice as well.
Coarse threads, definately.
hmmm...cant think of anything else right now.

[sosoDAF]

Originally posted by Assass!n
I'd like to see carbon fiber tanks that fill to 10,000 or more PSI.
Also, the standardized parts would be very nice as well.
Coarse threads, definately.
hmmm...cant think of anything else right now.
Good idea, but insurance on a 10,000+ psi tank would be so expensive I would have to charge a LOT for it. It would also be more of a danger.

[arson51]

lets just stick with conventional 5000 psi tanks.

[arson51]

Originally posted by Blacksheep


There are some of us that only use 20-30 rounds in a game.

The magazines should last a long, long time if you don't clip ammo for extended periods of time (Marines don't, only when they go to war....that means they don't have loaded Shotguns and M16s sitting around everywhere because the springs wear out...same reason they tell you not to keep a gun cocked for extended periods of time).

well a stright magazine that would hold 20-30 would be super long, a 20 round non spring magazine is used for the ATS markers. any magazine would be like that or the q loader. springs would be a bad idea anyways for paintball, because they woudl put to much pressure on the balls.

[FriedRicE]

Originally posted by Rancid Coleslaw
How about standardized parts. Why should each marker have different barrel threads?

Just FYI, right now a few companies are starting to lean towards autococker threads and it just might become industry standard in a few years.

[Assass!n]

Originally posted by sosoDAF

Good idea, but insurance on a 10,000+ psi tank would be so expensive I would have to charge a LOT for it. It would also be more of a danger.

oh...yeah. didnt think of that.

more efficient guns, then!

[jonbob]

Originally posted by Assass!n


oh...yeah. didnt think of that.

more efficient guns, then!

The AKA viking gets 2000 shots off a 68ci/4500psi tank. The new angel gets about 1400 I'm told.

[Blacksheep]

Originally posted by arson51


well a stright magazine that would hold 20-30 would be super long, a 20 round non spring magazine is used for the ATS markers. any magazine would be like that or the q loader. springs would be a bad idea anyways for paintball, because they woudl put to much pressure on the balls.

There are two types of people in the world: one that sits back and complains and looks for problems, the other that takes the problems of the *female dog/girl that PMSes 24/7/365* and fixes them.

ATS use 60 or something, some have a forgrip loader that yields 80 rounds.

I could see a magazine holding 30 and not being too long, slant the top of the magazine so that balls would slid into the feed as the magazine emptied...depends on how strong the springs are as well.

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

Originally posted by FriedRicE


Just FYI, right now a few companies are starting to lean towards autococker threads and it just might become industry standard in a few years.
Like the ULE. Even though i liked automag threads better, they werent as practical.

[sosoDAF]

What about peanut butter flavored paintballs, so if you get hungry, you wont have to spend any money. LOL.
Im just jokin, I was just lookin at the pack of peanut butter ritz bits crackers next to me.

Anyways, what about a paintball loader that is like a hose which feeds directly to your gun?
Kind of like a remote paint feeder.

[Rancid Coleslaw]

Originally posted by sosoDAF

Anyways, what about a paintball loader that is like a hose which feeds directly to your gun?
Kind of like a remote paint feeder.

You mean something like a backpack that feeds paintballs into your gun through a hose? Some people might like it, but it would just add extra weight and look really dumb. It would also get tangled on a lot of things and paint would get smashed in the hose easily.

[jonbob]

There is already someone who has made one of those. Warpig.com has an article about it in the technical section.

[[Infusion]BigC]

Originally posted by FriedRicE
Just FYI, right now a few companies are starting to lean towards autococker threads and it just might become industry standard in a few years.

2k4 BKOs have cocker threads standard :-D

I <3 ICD

[efpballplayer]

how about paint that doesnt taste really bad? you ever taken a hit to the mask and gotten the fill all in you mouth? yeah, it sucks.

[butchcassady96]

Originally posted by the other one
if i had an evo, maybe.:rolleyes:


i'd like to see a loading system that didn't create so much of a target. like the warp feed, but less of a bulky thing.


hmmm... maybe a flat panel of paintballs or something... i dunno.


yea, like those discs the russians have in battlefield 1942, and you could agitate the balls, just make the entire loader spin or something.


you guys should do an aim thing, so we can alll talk at the same time, that would be cool.



-elliott

[arson51]

the tippmann smg had a magazine like that but it only held 10.

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

Kinda with the drum idea, have a gun that loaded from the bottom, that way you could attatch a warp directly to it. But i guess that wouldnt move the hopper too much, o well.

[flug06]

Ive got a really good one you could sell to the supa ir folks but it would cost money for me to give up my idea

[Destro242]

i think i have an idea. How about making magnetic barrels? You know where the threading should be? well replace it with magnets and slide it into the gun!! That way you dont have to find a specific barrel threading to put it on your gun! Is this a good idea?

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

Originally posted by Destro242
i think i have an idea. How about making magnetic barrels? You know where the threading should be? well replace it with magnets and slide it into the gun!! That way you dont have to find a specific barrel threading to put it on your gun! Is this a good idea?

Youd need really strong magnets, and it would be hard to keep them alligned.

The perfect threading is no threading at all. Like on a Blazer.