Stock BKO vs Really Upgraded E99

[GTracer514]

I am thinking of keeping my Spyder E99 and upgrading it. Or should I just buy a BKO....note the BKO would be stock for quite a while. Which would be a better choice. Will I be at a disadvatnge in games with a Spyder E99? What if I get the new board from Apocalypse Paintball which is uncapped. Then would the gun be better. Its either a stock BKO or a really upgraded Spyder E99. Which should I choose?

P.S. If I get a BKO would I need a low pressure nitro tank? or could I use a high pressure one too, because I would buy a nitro tank 4 the BKO while I still have the E99 and wanna know if low pressure tank would be useable on my E99 or could I use high pressure tank on the BKO? Thanx

[spyder_strypes]

You can use the HP nitro tank on a BKO.

[pbdante]

the bko will shoot better than a spyder with a bunch of stuff on it because a true electro is much more accurate than a sear tripper because there is less movement when it shoots.
Bko is much lighter and is much smaller. Comes stock with a nice delron bolt. I have a team mate that uses a stock one and it can keep up with almost any marker but he is very good so he can keep up with anyone one the field.

[spyder_strypes]

Originally posted by pbdante
the bko will shoot better than a spyder with a bunch of stuff on it because a true electro is much more accurate than a sear tripper because there is less movement when it shoots. What are you talking about? Just because a BKO is an electro gun, doesn't mean it'll perform better than all blow back guns. One could easily make a spyder perform better than a stock BKO by using the difference in cost for upgrades. For example...

A stock Spyder Esprit($80) with a Palmer Stabilizer($75), CP One Piece($45) and CiP Feedneck($12) with perform better than any stock BKO out there, and it'd cost less than a stock BKO. A stabilizer is more consistent then the stock Bushy reg, and a CP One Piece is more accurate than the stock Bushy barrel. On top of that, the Spyder would be able to run on Co2 and HPA while the Bushy will only run on HPA.

So...just because a BKO is an electro gun, does not mean that it will be more accurate than a "sear tripper." It will be quieter, however.

[Woods Sniper]

Originally posted by spyder_strypes
What are you talking about? Just because a BKO is an electro gun, doesn't mean it'll perform better than all blow back guns. One could easily make a spyder perform better than a stock BKO by using the difference in cost for upgrades. For example...

A stock Spyder Esprit($80) with a Palmer Stabilizer($75), CP One Piece($45) and CiP Feedneck($12) with perform better than any stock BKO out there, and it'd cost less than a stock BKO. A stabilizer is more consistent then the stock Bushy reg, and a CP One Piece is more accurate than the stock Bushy barrel. On top of that, the Spyder would be able to run on Co2 and HPA while the Bushy will only run on HPA.

So...just because a BKO is an electro gun, does not mean that it will be more accurate than a "sear tripper." It will be quieter, however. Negatory. A stock BKO will outperform any blowback out there.

[E r y k]

the e99 is just a sear tripper whereas the bko has a solenoid to control the valve.

bko>e99

[Blue Baller]

Originally posted by spyder_strypes
What are you talking about? Just because a BKO is an electro gun, doesn't mean it'll perform better than all blow back guns. One could easily make a spyder perform better than a stock BKO by using the difference in cost for upgrades. For example...

A stock Spyder Esprit($80) with a Palmer Stabilizer($75), CP One Piece($45) and CiP Feedneck($12) with perform better than any stock BKO out there, and it'd cost less than a stock BKO. A stabilizer is more consistent then the stock Bushy reg, and a CP One Piece is more accurate than the stock Bushy barrel. On top of that, the Spyder would be able to run on Co2 and HPA while the Bushy will only run on HPA.

So...just because a BKO is an electro gun, does not mean that it will be more accurate than a "sear tripper." It will be quieter, however.
A true electro will be better than a blowback any day, and twice on Sunday.

BTW, you would need to do a lot more to that spyder to make it in the same league as the BKO...

[GTracer514]

Hmmmmm.......How about a used Automag would that be better than a BKO for a front player?

[Blue Baller]

Not really. The BKO would be a good amount faster.

[GTracer514]

Well I don't really need the speed I need accuracy whic I think the mag has....correct? Very good consistency I think, I just need 2 be able to hit what I am aiming at.

[Woods Sniper]

No marker is more accurate than the other if you have the proper paint to barrel match.

[spyder_strypes]

Originally posted by Woods Sniper
Negatory. A stock BKO will outperform any blowback out there. It will perform better than any stock blowback, but there are many tricked spyders and tippmans out there that will perform better than stock BKO's and even as well as some 'cockers and mags.

Just look at Suprbugman's spyders...

[E r y k]

but remember... most of the time, people dont leave their bkos stock.

[spyder_strypes]

That's why I said stock BKO's.;)

[Blue Baller]

Originally posted by spyder_strypes
It will perform better than any stock blowback, but there are many tricked spyders and tippmans out there that will perform better than stock BKO's and even as well as some 'cockers and mags.

Just look at Suprbugman's spyders... I've seen his spyders...and I still don't agree.

[Woods Sniper]

Originally posted by Blue Baller
I've seen his spyders...and I still don't agree. Bugman's markers are no where close to the performance level as a stock BKO. It's impossible to upgrade a blowback to the performance level of a true electro.

[E r y k]

guys... his name is SPYDER stripes... if that doesnt hint anything to you...

its most likely that he is bias towards spyders...

like i was bias to co2 until i got n2 :D

[amzng_spyderman]

no amount of money can make a spyder equal a bko. the quality of the spyder's trigger is can never match that of a bko.

[spyder_strypes]

Originally posted by E r y k
guys... his name is SPYDER stripes... if that doesnt hint anything to you...

its most likely that he is bias towards spyders... lol, I actually have a minimag.:D

I did have a spyder though.:)

But...I was only talking about stock BKO's...definitely not tricked ones.

[SuPrBuGmAn]

Originally posted by pbdante
the bko will shoot better than a spyder with a bunch of stuff on it because a true electro is much more accurate than a sear tripper because there is less movement when it shoots.
Bko is much lighter and is much smaller. Comes stock with a nice delron bolt. I have a team mate that uses a stock one and it can keep up with almost any marker but he is very good so he can keep up with anyone one the field.

BKO is lighter, but not by much. Its no smaller really and its definately taller.

Electropneumatics are not more accurate than blowbacks. What gives you that idea?

Lighter cyclic internals and a spring kit will make any Spyder kick just as little as any paintball gun on the market at the moment.

Originally posted by Woods Sniper
Negatory. A stock BKO will outperform any blowback out there.

Are we comparing stock vs stock? or upgraded vs upgraded?

Upgraded, they will be equal - if done correctly.

Originally posted by E r y k
the e99 is just a sear tripper whereas the bko has a solenoid to control the valve.

bko>e99

You kidding me? What does that have to do with performance?

Originally posted by Blue Baller

A true electro will be better than a blowback any day, and twice on Sunday.

BTW, you would need to do a lot more to that spyder to make it in the same league as the BKO...

Not really.

Switch, board, springs, lighter cyclic internals, regulator, barrel, and loader puts a Spyder ahead of a stock BKO, cost will be about the same too(Spyder costing slightly more).

Originally posted by Woods Sniper
Bugman's markers are no where close to the performance level as a stock BKO. It's impossible to upgrade a blowback to the performance level of a true electro.

Care to point out what they lack?

Originally posted by amzng_spyderman
no amount of money can make a spyder equal a bko. the quality of the spyder's trigger is can never match that of a bko.

You are absolutely wrong.

If I were you, I'd just claim ignorance.

[E r y k]

No, im not kidding you

the bko runs at a much lower pressure, has less kick, which in turn makes it have better accuracy

you will get a much higher rof...

do i even need to answer why solenoid>sear tripper/electro grip frame?!

if you still need proof, go search bko vs e99.

[Cuervo]

No matter what trigger jobs and IS switches you put on your spyder, bugman, its trigger won't compare to the BKO's. That is the biggest area blowbacks fall behind the BKO.

[Blue Baller]

Now I know you are just saying that because you own a spyder. Trust me, my friend had a really ripping prihana, and it seemed likea toy compared to his stock impulse. And BKO's aren't too much different than stock impulses. Trust me, true electro > blowback, anyday.

[Woods Sniper]

Originally posted by SuPrBuGmAn
Care to point out what they lack?Your spyders don't lack anything. The only thing holding them back is the simple fact that they're blowbacks. I don't care how secksi you make it look or how much money you put into it, a blowback is a blowback, no matter how you look at it.

[SuPrBuGmAn]

Originally posted by E r y k
No, im not kidding you

the bko runs at a much lower pressure, has less kick, which in turn makes it have better accuracy

you will get a much higher rof...

do i even need to answer why solenoid>sear tripper/electro grip frame?!

if you still need proof, go search bko vs e99.

Lower operating pressure does not make a better marker. You obviously have not shot a blowback with a delrin bolt, titanium hammer, and light main spring - there is no more kick than your, or any other, BKO, Angel, Matrix, ect.

I have an IS board in my AMG LCD thats capable of 99cps, the gun itself is capable of 50cps, I probably peak at 25ish bps in short bursts.

Explain to me why a sear tripper is worse than an electropneumatic.

Originally posted by Cuervo
No matter what trigger jobs and IS switches you put on your spyder, bugman, its trigger won't compare to the BKO's. That is the biggest area blowbacks fall behind the BKO.

Tell me this after you've had hands on experience.

Originally posted by Blue Baller
Now I know you are just saying that because you own a spyder. Trust me, my friend had a really ripping prihana, and it seemed likea toy compared to his stock impulse. And BKO's aren't too much different than stock impulses. Trust me, true electro > blowback, anyday.

Trust me, if I bought into the hype that electropneumatics were better - I'd buy. What makes you think I couldn't spend $1700 on an Angel, BKO, ect if I can do it on a Spyder. I have a damned good job, money is not a problem.

Originally posted by Woods Sniper
Your spyders don't lack anything. The only thing holding them back is the simple fact that they're blowbacks. I don't care how secksi you make it look or how much money you put into it, a blowback is a blowback, no matter how you look at it.

Why? LOL

Just tell me. I can promise you, if you shoot a correctly upgraded Spyder, you'll change your tune. Wouldn't happen to be going to the Grande Finale eh? ;)

[TM pro TC]

one of u said having lower pressure gives the gun better accuracy which bko's do have..but i have noticed by using very low pressure bkos it gives it a big amount more of kick back which if ur a front player or ne player on the field you don't want. how about the accuracy thing i would not say thats to true because if one has lower pressure and you both put freaks on them. i find they perform the same. also a bko might be shorter length wise but have u seen how tall it is..which i think is worse then being longer because it just raised your profile about an inch. a kid on my team has a bko with z grip and may i say he can rip on it...but then the micro switch broke and he used my backup m3. he was ripping faster on that then ive seen him rip on his bko. yes the m3 has a bit more kick to it but there just as accurate as each other and just as fast. my m3 is completely stock except for the freak barrel. i don't see any difference between the bko and a m3-and an m3 is basically a spyder.im not bias against any gun but i think all of you who are saying e-99 can never be better then a bko are very mistakenly wrong. i think they are very similar in how they perform and if you were looking into the bko i would go for upgrading your spyder an amazingly amount or get a mag.

[[Infusion]BigC]

I probably peak at 25ish bps

Yeah alota hopper feed that fast too :rolleyes:

Anyways, people, there's no point in arguing over this.

The man makes the marker, never the other way around.

If you own with an e99, great!

If you can tear up the IronMan with you Tippmann Custom, good for you.

If you can wipe the floor with your BKO, that's fine too.

The point is, it's not what your using it's how you use that counts on the field

[SuPrBuGmAn]

I only need one hopper.

http://www.suprbugman.com/albums/markers/greenzap.sized.jpg

IS board will be ACE compatible shortly for when the HaloB doesn't keep up.

Excuse the grip panels, they will match the anodizing(which is being done at this time) on the rest of the marker shortly.