Bunkering etiquette?

[collegeguy1268]

What are some of your thoughts on bunkering some of the younger players? Me and a friend were playing last weekend against a team that had some newer players on it, and one of them was about 12. The 12 year old got bunkered pretty bad by one of my teammates; he got shot about 4 times in the back from 5 or 6 feet away. He starts crying and walking off the field, and his dad looks really angry.

Well, his dad followed me and my friend as we were walking off the field, yelling and threatening my friend the whole time. It ended up almost turning into a fistfight, and my friend and the kids dad were both ejected from the field for the day after the staff threatened to call the cops.

When you guys are playing against younger players, do you bunker them like always, or go easier on them?

[VeNoM]

I go easy on them, if I bunker them, I go for a pack or NEVER shoot more than 3 times... Even in a tournament, your team could have lost points for overshooting depending on the rules. There is a bigger thread on this already I think it's called "To Shoot or Not To Shoot?" or something like that...


For me, I will go for a far away shot or get them out nicely (there was no need for 4 shots to his back that close).

[collegeguy1268]

My bad, I didn't see that thread.

[nerdcore]

fields i play at have a surrender rule: within 20 ft behind a player, you yell surrender. for bunkering, if you overshoot the refs call ranges from a warning to being ejected from the park.

lucky for me other people follow the same rules. last time i played i got bunkered (broke a ball - i was a little bummed out so i stopped paying attention to the fact that my side was losing bigtime) the guy said in a even-toned voice "surrender" then shot me in the bottom of the shoe (i was kneeling). i said "eh," cleared out my barrel, then walked off the field.

[Lokichi]

Yea I think when your up against 12 year olds you can ease off abit. Unless you where playing for money...then its a whole different story.

[punkerx1]

go for the pack or shoes

[hybrid-sniper]

usually pack or other hard equipment...shoes, marker..etc
if none of those shots are available then its usually the shoulder or outside of the arm i'll go for

[teufelhunden]

If you're on the paintball field than you know what can happen... I'm not gonna intentionally overshoot but I'm not going to risk getting myself out by yelling surrender, I'm gonna shoot. Honestly, I don't aim for a pack or anything, I shoot for center mass, where I'm most likely to hit. On the back it's hard enough that it'll break.


Well, at least now we've moved indoors for the winter so my velocity is 250, not 285.

[Six Feet Under]

Try to gog 'em too! Noobs probably would prefer getting shot in the goggles as opposed to pro players who gripe everytime that happens because they have to clean their goggles off- n00bs usually rent too don't they?

[spor]

I think that the kid's dad over reacted...honestly I'd make a challenge for a 1v1 with the kids dad to settle the arguement...but that would prolly end up the same way...

I think when bunkering anyone you should aim for the equipment..... but if that kid had a real problem then he shouldn't be playing.

Treat a every one the same is what I say.




p.s.(I think "mallicious over shooting" should of been called)


:crazy:

[VeNoM]

Originally posted by spor


Treat a every one the same is what I say.



I do not and will not treat a kid that is playing for the first time the same as teenager or college student that has been playing for years.... Even if the kid has played a few times before, I never go all out as if they were other tourney players, there is no need for it in rec ball. I don't know, I guess I just don't find joy in making little kids cry, grown men, now thats another story ;) :laugh: ...

[Infiltrator]

I really hate apologizing for playing paintball. They knew what they signed up for. Why do they think they should get special treatment. I have been counterbunker bonus balled by my bro. I got him out too though. We didn't get in any fight. We never said a word and just walked off the field. I have had dads and their entire family stare at me the entire time after I accidently overshot a 12 year old kid. He never called himself out and idiot fp severe is hard to see. I apologize as always. The only way you can stop these things from happening is don't play newbie 12 year olds at all. It's kind of hard when it's field paint only. You want the field to be worth the stay. It reminds me of the 24 hour scenario game that was entirely stopped because a 10 year old kid got shot in the back of the neck by his own teamate once. Ambulence and everything for the kid. Guess how fast the fps was limited to? 250fps but the crap 32 degree paint forced everyone down to 240fps. I bet it only left a mosquito bite.

If the kid was crying, your friend should of at least apologized to the kid and his dad, despite playing paintball, just to calm them down so you can continue to play and get your money's worth.

Sunday I got nailed in the sack and fell on the ground in the middle of my bunker move. Did I yell at the guy for shooting me there? No. After laying on the ground for 2 minutes, I picked myself up and was ready for the next game. Thank goodness for chronographs.

[Guillotine]

For little kids, its not about "pwning" them or anything like that...anyone can bunker a 12 yr old...it takes more skill to mark them strategically and not make them cry

when i'm playing...anyone who is using a higher end electro and wearing a jersey and tourny pants...they'll get anywhere from 1-3 balls on them when I bunker them...if you are wearing tourny stuff, you get tourny treatment...thats my rule...but I never put more than 3 on anyone...I bunkered this one guy using a vision impulse...I put 3 on him, one lower leg, one hip, one gut(he was a fatty...but its ok, so am I, lol)...and the guy was wearing all smart parts stuff, and then after the game he comes over to my whining and crying about how its rec ball and not tourny ball...the dude was like 40 yrs old...I was laughing so hard on the inside...

but if I see camo, i'll put on only one, i'll especially try and swing wide so i'm shooting from a farther distance...and I try to put them on the pack or lower legs...

no one who is playing for the first time should get bunkered horribly by some random idiot who thinks he's chris lasoya...that just makes people not want to play speedball at all

the only exception to my rule is if someone is playing advanced walk-ons...if you are playing w/ the big boys and you are wearing camo, then you are either good, stupid, or brave...and if I bunker you, its full on...

and of course...team practices, those are treated with the almost same degree as a tourny would be...(anyone who plays at apocalypse in madison knows that though)

[[Infusion]BigC]

Phrases of conversation I find amusing when I pull out my 98c:

"Guys, wanna own some nubs" (points to me)

"Wow, what I newb" (looking at my Tippmann)

"Oh man, I'm gonna waste that kid" (kid with an angel looking at my Tippmann)

By the end of the day, all these people were really pissed off at my for totally running them over in just about every game.

In fact, they were a team sponsored by the field. Pfft.

But what really pissed me off is how these obviously spoiled insecure pricks thought it'd be cool to ruin the fun of someone new to paintball.

Be nice to the newbies. Don't run them over, even if you can. Even though they still lose, they have alot more fun if they feel like you had to fight to beat them. And guess what? If they have fun, they play again, and eventually they aren't newbies anymore.

Then eventually you play their team in a tourny, and THEN you go all out. :-D

[Ebonclaw]

Our field ha a "no bunker" rule unless everyone agreed on bunkering. We made sure every player knew what they were getting themselves into by opting in. In the event a kid was playing...well, 12 year olds don't put up much of a fight. Imagine, you're 12 years old, toting a rental in decked out camo and a guy dressed in a black JT jersey with a spiked neck protecter toting an electro comes up behind you and yells "DROP IT!!".....9 times out of 10 they will. Occasionally I'll paste the bunker itself around them if I want to add an additional scare factor just in case, but I rarely deliberatly shoot a kid unless I'm forced to, and even then I only fire once. I mean, it doesn't matter if it breaks or not, a 12 year old is not gonna want to take that hit again and most likely will call himself out 99 times out of 100 if it's his first time. He's not gonna check for a break or play on like a tourny player might, he's a 12 year old newb for godsakes. Once, it was me against 5 younger kids. Four of them I had brought down and I was letting the last one come to me. It turn out he didn't know exactly where I was and ended up being on the wrong side of a bunker thinking he was safe. he was only one bunker away, straight across from me, on the wrong side. I offered him the surrender. Dam bold little ankle biter didn't take it. So I popped up once and aimed for the mask. Unfortunatly, he saw me move and brought his gun up to shoot...right up against his mask so he could use the sight rail (lol). I hit him smack on the knuckle at around 275 FPS with his hand on the foregrip.
He missed me by the way.
I finally convinced him to take that hit and show it off at school and I gave him an old pair of glove I had to play in from then on. He shaped up...I think he'll turn out ok.

[Shadow221]

At my field there's "advanced" player games and new player-surrender only games.

So there's no problems like this :)

[Ninja_Goon]

Most newbs will call themselves out before checking for an actual break on there back. You probably could of shot him once and he would've called himself out immediatley.

[PMI_Guy]

I just barrel tag them.

:sleep:

[spor]

Originally posted by Infiltrator
I have been counterbunker bonus balled by my bro.


Try saying that 5 times fast:rolleyes:

[Lokichi]

Originally posted by PMI_Guy
I just barrel tag them.

:sleep:

Not saying thats totally wrong...but I've been barrel tagged a couple of times and the tagger accidentally discharges his marker into my back at point blank range...not too groovy. Think silver dollar sized black and blue bleeding welt. Ok I take that back it is wrong man! :eek: :laugh:

[MrTiggleBitties]

Imo, theres nothing wrong with bunkering just as long as its 1-2 balls.

[Juvenile]

I've barrel tagged 2 people in my life and I got them both by luck. Both times it was two new players who were snaking on the tape and I was on the left side of a dorito and they came by and didn't see me. I turned behind, saw him, crawled up and tagged him. The same thing basically happened twice, but I still got 'em.

Now, bunkering. I can easily tell who knows what they're doing and who doesn't. There's a certain way people move about in paintball fields that indicates their skill. You'll get the pros, the advanced players, the rec players, the noobs, and then my favorite -- the guys with expensive gear and nice markers before they played :)

If I'm gonna bunker someone, no matter who it is, I shoot twice, maybe three if I'm uncertain, and knock 'em down. I'm always aiming for the body and I'm not taking a precise shot, I'm only concerned with getting him out. I've tagged newbies before that will come and talk to me after the game and ask me tips about doing that and telling me I was really good. I've never had a bad experience, but 3 shots is not that bad.

I remember my first bunker :) This is the reason I never use the snake anymore, hahaha :laugh:

Good times baby, but just because you think you're hot stuff on the paintball field doesn't mean you need to pick on a newer kid. 2 shots should let him know, even one precise shot will do it :)

[Cuervo]

If I'm playing on a rec field with relaxed rules, I always offer surrender. It's field rules, etiquette, and, quite frankly, I can hotbox better than anybody dumb enough to turn on me.

If I'm playing on a tournament field, the only exceptions I make are for little kids, who might not know what they're getting into. If you look like your old enough to know what you're getting into, then I'll bunker you like normal.

The only time I ever bunkered a little kid, it was an accident and i shot him in the leg when I came around shouting to surrender. He started to cry, so I walked him off the field and made sure he was okay. His dad wasn't mad at me for shooting him (not nearly as mad as I was, anyways) but was grateful I helped him off the field. I've seen the same kid back at the field a couple times and he tries to bunker people like everyone else now.

[wanabe TOSA]

ya well back to the main disscussion - 3 balls or how ever many you shot isnt that many , but what shoulda happend was an apology to both the kid and dad rather than getting angery at the dad
you got to put ur self in his shoes (the dads) -- its his child for godssakes

an plus he was problly getting very angry knowing he was making a scene and was prolly to embarressed to ever go back ther- so you got to give him a break
----- even tho 3 balls is a bit much for a 12 yr old, its good learning expereance , no?

[collegeguy1268]

Well ya I agree. But it wasn't me that did it, and it was kind of hard getting my friend to calm down and apologize after this kids dad ran up and started screaming profanity in his face.

[spike_ball999]

Well, about bunkering the little ones; i go just a little bit easier on them, if its their first time playing. You dont wanna scare off the new generation coming to paintball, but still bunker them and they will learn from their mistakes...:P

[El Kabong]

I'm thankful for kind people that go easy on the new 12 year old with the Spyder. I was that kid.

On like my third day ever, I was the last on my team for woodsball at the local field, fighting off about seven guys. I open up on a guy to my right, and next thing I know there's a barrel in my face. I wait for the inevitable, but he just tells me to put my barrel plug in. He knew I was screwed, so he did what I think was the right thing. Like Ebon said, 9 times out of 10 the kid will throw his gun down and just be happy he didn't get shot.

[collegeguy1268]

That works great until you get that one 12 year old with an attidude, who thinks hes joe kickazz. There was a kid like that on my team a couple years ago at a recball game in some guys field. He got bunkered, and the guy tried to get him to surrender. The 12 year old goes "F**K that s**t," and unloads on the guy. Ever since then I don't ask for surrenders in recball, theres too many n00bs thinking theyre badazz.

[thepeashooter]

It all depends on the circumstances but generally I'll go easy on them.


If its some new kid who hasn't played much I'll still bunker him but I'll just shoot him in the foot or once in the back or something.

If its a team practice I'll give hime 1-3 shots(unless he pissed me off)

If its an older guy same as a team member

The only time I ever go all out would be at a Tourney or when you end up in a hotbox which i usually fall backwards on to my back shooting him(works quite well until the rest of the team sees you)


But then there is always Spur of the moment stuff that happens and all you can do is deal with it.

[Infiltrator]

Yeah there was a 12 year old like that that could actually take 20 shots all over him and he would still play on. He got bonus balled like crazy and he still wouldnt' go out. We called for a ref, but they were slow. Meanwhile we are just unloading our entire hoppers on this idiot. Finally the ref yanks him out of his bunker. He takes off his mask, turns around and starts shooting at us (very inaccurately I might add). He delayed us long enough with his idiocy for the other team to flank us.

[collegeguy1268]

Holy crap, that's worse than my story. Did you ever see that kid again?

[Raptorz922]

I try to not shoot someone more than 1-2 times when I'm bunkering if I can help it. Sometimes I have to hit two people and the closer gets hit a little more, but that situation rarely happens. Then again, if there's some player that I'm really pissed off at for being a jerk all day or cheating, he's gettin what he deserves. The other day I bunkered a guy in the snake and gave him a couple extra in the stomach because he had been using foul language around the rental kids all day long.

[Infiltrator]

I didn't want to see that kid again. He was shooting out into the street as I was leaving the paintball field. He might of been banned.

[Assass!n]

People who come to my field, who I know play tournaments, I'll use bunkering. But when theres rental guys, I just dont bunker anyone. Simple as that. I mean, its not like they're going to put up much of a fight, someone who is playing for the first time. I accidentally bunkered a kid when I got into a snake, which was pretty tall (for a snake), and I didnt see him and just shot. Oh well. I apoligized afterward.

[Caleb98]

It depends how long they've been playing...if they look young...as in pre-pubescant young...I hold back on them because if you hurt them too bad they don't wanna come back and play paintball and thats never a good thing:(

[Nickers]

I go easy on the new players. What I hate is the new players on MY team that shoot thier own team!!

[baseballboy138]

MY field doesn't even let anybody in unless they are over 12, so I'm usually one of the youngest kids there (almost 15 woot!) but yeah I guess I can't really say much except if it was a little dude I would definitley call surender and if he didn't one shot, but most the guys I play with at my field are way better then me, so if I bunker them, I'm gonna make it worth it! lol but if i'm just playin with my friends and they're talking smack er sumthin', I'd shut him up the next game with a couple shots depending on which friend he is... (it's funny, when i play with my friends, my brother and I own them and are always picked first for teams, then at a real field we get owned but go home happy because we know we will own our friends even more...) We (brother and I) are the only ones that goto a real field besides when we take somebody. Sorry this was so long I guess I got carried away :D

[triggerhappy33]

Originally posted by Nickers
I go easy on the new players. What I hate is the new players on MY team that shoot thier own team!!

o god i know what thats like. 2 times last week in a missmatched game (us being the bottom) i got shot in the back while trying to move up, by my own teammate. I talked to the kid later and asked him why he shot me. he said he panicked and that he just shot at something. It wouldnt have bothered me except the same kid b4 the game was tellig us how he was going to win it for us.

[the other one]

i have a friend that barrel tapped a younger player in a three-man tourney. he doesn't like getting bunkered, so he'll barrel tap when he can. It freaks people out when he does it though, because no one expects it.