range and accuracy

[Predator2]

I would like to know what i need to do to make my gun have a really good range w/ good accuracy. Is it the bolt for, the barrel, or both and any recommendations on which one to get if there is a good one.

[TLplus84]

The Barrel is the most important upgrade that you could get. You will see immediate increase in accuracy and range. FOr a barrel, get a JJ Cearmic or a Lapco Bigshot. As for the bolt, supposedly it helps, but i only got an aftermarket bolt cuz i needed higher flow. But supposedly an aftermarket bolt will help with accuracy and range..but i'm skeptical.

[elTwitcho]

It will help with ball breaks for sure, and might let you get a little bit lower pressure, accuracy I'm not entirely too sure about, maybe

[Intruder]

Originally posted by TLplus84
The Barrel is the most important upgrade that you could get. You will see immediate increase in accuracy and range. FOr a barrel, get a JJ Cearmic or a Lapco Bigshot. As for the bolt, supposedly it helps, but i only got an aftermarket bolt cuz i needed higher flow. But supposedly an aftermarket bolt will help with accuracy and range..but i'm skeptical.

i agree

[NickR]

The bolt is EXTREAMLY inportant. The bolt is what shoots the ball, i'm shure most of you know that though. The bolt is what puts all the air/co2/nitro behind the ball. It controls where the co2 goes, what its "current" is and so on. The bolt will help with ball breaks, accuracy, range, and your co2 use. If you are looking to get the extra range and accuracy, get a new bolt AND barrel.

[TLplus84]

no bolt will giuve you as much of an increase as a new barrel will...true the bolt is what sends the ball through the barrel, but the truth is that nowadays stock bolts are getting better and better...i haven't seen any increase in range since i put my shochtech in...ball breaks, i haven't broken one yet...and accuracy wize, the only reason why it increased was because of my low pressure..i'm skeptical about hte bolt, cuz over the years that i've played pb, ive used 3 aftermarket bolts, and none of them have had a significant increase in range. THe only reason why i use the Shocktech is because of hte free flowing design.

[A damn fool]

The barrel is definelty the most importnat aspect in terms of range and accuracy . Having a good bolt wouldnt hurt, but its not going to make a sucnificant difference. Liek tlplus84 said, the bolt is importnat, but the differnce between aftermarket and stock ones is minimal in accuracyt and ragne. The only differecne is the flow between the two. Get a barrel before u get ne thing else, that should always be ur first upogreade on a new gun.

[NickR]

It depends on your stock bolt. Some of the cheaper guns like a M98, Pro/Carbine, Compact 2000, and VTL have a flat face 1 hole bolt. A new 6 hole venturi bolt is a HUGE improvement over the stock one. But many of the better blowbacks, Spyder 2000, TL+, Shutter, STS G2, Piranha Pro, ect. have a 6 hole venturi as a stock bolt. In this case a new bolt will not make to much of a difference. But a Cyclone bolt will improve accuracy, unless you have a smart parts barrel because they vent the air flow in the opposite direction. The cyclone will but a spin on your ball. Not back spin like a flatline, but a rifle type spin. That will help accuracy.

[PiRaNhA69]

probably a new bolt and barrel. it really depends on the bolt though.

[elTwitcho]

Compact 2K is a venturi. Well, not really venturi, it's one of the ones with the divider inside of it

[NickR]

You need a new barrel and a bolt to get the best range and accuracy. Not one of them by it self.

[TLplus84]

just the barrel itself will be a HUGE increase in range and accuracy..like Damn Fool as well as myself have sed, the bolt gives minimal increases in range and accuracy.

[Pakman]

From my experience the bolt will never come close to giving you the kind of range and accuracy that a good barrel will. Like elTwitcho said, it will help with ball breaks and I don't think it will do too much more. Obviously people wouldn't buy new bolts if they didn't help but it is so minimal that there isn't really a need for it. Barrel is the most important thing for what you want so just get the best one you can afford. (And as I said in another review, paint to barrel match is very important so try to get them as close as possible)

[NickR]

It depends on your stock bolt! If your stock bolt is a 6 hole venturi, then it wont make to much of a difference. IF your stock is a flat 1 hole, then it will make a HUGE difference in range, accuracy, and ball breaks.

[FlyBoyNZ]

NickR doesnt know what he is talking about. He has never seen a front bolt with his own 2 eyes becuase he has never owned a paintball gun. Also, the Pro/Carbine's front bolt isn't exaclty flat. I will show it to you Nick if i see you. Everybody here that said it doesnt make a big difference is right. The front bolt doesnt make a big difference, the barrel does. NickR thinks the front bolt makes a huge, big *** difference is because the PMI rentals (the only paintball gun he has shot) has a barrel that is unpolished, no porting and was probably part of some water pipe system. He thinks it was the bolt acting upon it to.
Sorry to burst your bubble NickR, but the front bolt doesn't as you would say, "make a EXTREMLY HUGE difference!"

[TLplus84]

seroiusly..i'm sorry..but you really don't..that's bad advice..no bolt will give you that big of a difference....

[Hsuve]

*Hsuve shakes his head...

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Sorry, but I have to say that even the moderator's wrong. No, bolts do not increase accuracy or range. Only the velocity and spin effect the range. Barrels do not increase range... With the exception of the Flatline barrel. Also, accuracy is not always given with a new barrel. If you shoot brittle, lop-sided balls, you probably won't see a difference between the stock one and a Boomstick. :) Ball breaks? What kind? There are two kinds of ball breaking:
1. The ball's halfway down the chamber and your bolt cuts it
2. The ball's blown out in pieces, no chopping though.

If it has to do with the ball coming down the chamber and the bolt cutting it, it has more to do with the stiffness of the main spring than the bolt.

If the bolt's blow out in pieces, you're running really high pressure or shooting really hot. Also, CHANGE YOUR PAINT! Shooting brittle paint is one reason for lots of ball breaks.

[Sandman220]

SPeakng about accuracy is that Avalon commando 2 accuate and powerful?

[FlyBoyNZ]

Hsuve, the moderator didn't say it will. Crazy NickR did.

[Hsuve]

Originally posted by TLplus84
just the barrel itself will be a HUGE increase in range and accuracy..like Damn Fool as well as myself have sed, the bolt gives minimal increases in range and accuracy.

If that doesn't count as him saying that bolts will increase in range and accuracy, I don't know what does.

Sandman220: Define "powerful."

[Sandman220]

Hsuve, I ment range when I said powerful my bad.

[Hsuve]

Well, that really depends on what velocity you set your gun at. :)

[TLplus84]

oops..i meant to say minimal if any..but oh welll..:P