Interesting Development at the Pro Shop

[thedus]

I stopped by my local pro shop on my lunch break today to pick-up a new tank cover, and while I was there I asked if they had any Locktite 242 in stock... The guy said they didn't carry it anymore. This seemed like an odd statement, so I asked him why. He said that it was a regulation that was being imposed: they could use it, but not sell it - even though some of the markers that they sell come packaged with a small tube of it.

So on my way back to the office I swung by a Lowe's hoping they would have some... and they did.

Has anyone else come across this at their local pro shop?

[nerdcore]

i'll drop by my local shop & see if they say the same thing.

[PbSkater490]

may I ask what is Locktite 242 is? They have nothing like that at my pro shop.

[nerdcore]

Originally posted by PbSkater490
may I ask what is Locktite 242 is? They have nothing like that at my pro shop. it's a goo you put on screw threads (pretty much anything with threads) & it seals it as well as holds that screw in TIGHT.

screw glue sealant, you might say.

[Sniper15]

If I was to use it on my trigger frame screws, would I be able to get them out when I needed too, or is it pretty hard to do?

[MrTiggleBitties]

Its often used for your macro line

[nerdcore]

Originally posted by Sniper15
If I was to use it on my trigger frame screws, would I be able to get them out when I needed too, or is it pretty hard to do? it's not too hard but you may end up stripping the screw heads. your frame screws really don't need it.

it's used on threaded areas that could possibly leak air, like macroline fittings (props to MrTB) & the valve plug screw, or threaded areas where you wouldn't want it coming unscrewed at all (regs w/ mulitple parts will have them screwed together with locktite, valve pins that screw into their cupseals, etc).

[Six Feet Under]

My local pro shop has it, but I don't know how much it is. I'm pretty sure it's Locktite 242, but it might be a different kind.

[Lord Delta]

Did they have any other types of locktite?
Is 242 a brand, or something different?
Like there's blue and red I know, is 242 one of those?

Does sound weird though.

[thedus]

242 is just one of the types of Locktite - it's blue. It's a removable grade. I wanted it to seal the plug on my CiP Assault Block since I don't have a guage, and that plug is known to leak if it isn't sealed.

Here's a link for the Locktite Sticky (http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=156553&highlight=locktite) - it has a break down of Red and Blue Locktite.

It's interesting to see that other pro shops are carrying it. I wonder what's up with my local shop. ... :| :eyes: ...maybe it's just a New Jersey thing.

EDIT: BTW, Lord Delta - I love that quote in your sig. How true. How true. :nod:

Originally posted by Lord Delta
Did they have any other types of locktite?
Is 242 a brand, or something different?
Like there's blue and red I know, is 242 one of those?

Does sound weird though.

[teufelhunden]

What NJ proshop?

If it's Depot... I wouldn't be suprised if they misconstrued something. Really nice guys who know paintball but they aren't too intelligent. I feel bad for the newbs who come in... I usually follow them out and unconfuse them :)

[thedus]

Yeah, it was Depot (the Ledgewood store). I have to say that I do like the folks there as well. However, if I have a technical question while I'm there I generally try to talk to the guy with the pony tail (Mike... I think) - I find that he's more well versed than the others (and he knows the store like the back of his hand). Actually that's who was telling me about the Locktite.

The blonde girl, however... She tries, and I respect that, but she needs to bone up on her parts a little bit. (I'm guessing she's new) I went in about a month ago and asked for a cup seal and she brought out a guage. I smiled at her and said, "Close, but what I'm looking for is a bit smaller." And proceeded to describe what it was that I needed until she found it.

Originally posted by teufelhunden
What NJ proshop?

If it's Depot... I wouldn't be suprised if they misconstrued something. Really nice guys who know paintball but they aren't too intelligent. I feel bad for the newbs who come in... I usually follow them out and unconfuse them :)

[teufelhunden]

Originally posted by thedus
Yeah, it was Depot (the Ledgewood store). I have to say that I do like the folks there as well. However, if I have a technical question while I'm there I generally try to talk to the guy with the pony tail (Mike... I think) - I find that he's more well versed than the others (and he knows the store like the back of his hand). Actually that's who was telling me about the Locktite.

The blonde girl, however... She tries, and I respect that, but she needs to bone up on her parts a little bit. (I'm guessing she's new) I went in about a month ago and asked for a cup seal and she brought out a guage. I smiled at her and said, "Close, but what I'm looking for is a bit smaller." And proceeded to describe what it was that I needed until she found it.



Sweet, Ledgewood Depot is my home proshop too. May I ask what town you live in? I'm in Randolph :)

I like talking to Mike, especially about his team, the Jesters. They're Am-A and were lucky enough to play the Naughty Dogs X-Ball squad at WC.

The younger blonde girl? I think she's Dave's (the blonde balding guy who knows 'Cockers inside and out) daughter. I'll have to ask Mike about the loctite next time I'm in (which seems to be every week... hell, I've sold guns for them... they should hire me :P)

[thedus]

I live in Rockaway. :)

I've only dealt with Dave twice - nice guy though. ...Actually if she's Dave's daughter that would make sense, because any time I've dealt with her and asked about/bought parts (the cup seal incident excluded) she would usually show me cocker parts first without a thought - then she would begin to fumble once she realized I needed Spyder parts.

It seems like Mike is always there... he does go home right? ;)

The Jesters, eh? I'll have to ask him about that the next time I'm in there (which should be soon... like the end of this week, or so). What position does he play?

...have you ever asked about working there? You'd be a great addition to their staff. :tup:

[CountyPaintball]

I'm not sure what's up. I'm in NJ and I sell loctite. This requires an investigation. Anyone know how to reach Sherlock Holmes?

[nerdcore]

Originally posted by CountyPaintball
I'm not sure what's up. I'm in NJ and I sell loctite. This requires an investigation. Anyone know how to reach Sherlock Holmes? sure. 1-800-NVSTIG8.

[teufelhunden]

Originally posted by thedus
I live in Rockaway. :)

I've only dealt with Dave twice - nice guy though. ...Actually if she's Dave's daughter that would make sense, because any time I've dealt with her and asked about/bought parts (the cup seal incident excluded) she would usually show me cocker parts first without a thought - then she would begin to fumble once she realized I needed Spyder parts.

It seems like Mike is always there... he does go home right? ;)

The Jesters, eh? I'll have to ask him about that the next time I'm in there (which should be soon... like the end of this week, or so). What position does he play?

...have you ever asked about working there? You'd be a great addition to their staff. :tup:

I have- they offered me a position as a ref, but as you know, the field is too far away to make that a worthwhile job at 18 years old.

Mike goes home from time to time... like when the heat breaks :P ... and Sundays, when they have that woman there who doesn't know anything other than how to fill tanks.

Mike plays back. He's got a 16 year old son that's supposed to be quick as hell- he took the snake against the Dogs. In case you care, he shoots a BM 'Cocker and a Worrbladed 'Cocker as well. He said which he uses depends on the field.

Shoot me a PM as to when you go, maybe we can meet up!

[the other one]

i wish i lived somewhere near everybody else.... humph.

stoopid woods. stoopid rain. stoopid canada. canada is to blame. they always screw up.

[SpUnKy-BoLtOn]

Dude, Loc-Tite DOES NOT seal threads. It is NOT a sealant, you use teflon tape on threads that leak.

You never use loc-tite on macroline screws, u use teflon tape. stop talking about things you dont know about before you make someone do something stupid...

[nole16k]

Originally posted by SpUnKy-BoLtOn
Dude, Loc-Tite DOES NOT seal threads. It is NOT a sealant, you use teflon tape on threads that leak.

You never use loc-tite on macroline screws, u use teflon tape. stop talking about things you dont know about before you make someone do something stupid... You need to stop talking about something you do not know. Loctite does seal threads:

"One more use of Loctite® is that it can be used in place of Teflon® tape. Since Loctite® seals the spaces between threads, it also seals air and CO2 pressure as well, and serves to provide an air-tight seal on pressure hose fittings. If this is done, any adjustment can break the seal. It is therefore important to remove, clean, and reinstall the Loctite® per manufacturers guidelines to keep the seal. Loctite® can also help repair the seal with damaged threads, a feat Teflon® tape cannot do. Finally, when using Loctite® to seal threads, it’s appearance is much cleaner than having white Teflon tape showing; important on many of today’s high dollar flashy markers."

-Warpig/http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/loctite/index.shtml

[SpUnKy-BoLtOn]

read again dude. there are only like one or two kinds of loc-tite that seals threads.

ask an airsmith or someone that really knows what they are doing. theyll tell you that there is only like one kind that seals it. if all of them did seal, then why hasnt it replaced teflon tape?

[nole16k]

You said that Loctite doesn't seal threads, not that most Loctite kinds do not seal threads. Be more specific next time and I'll give you some sympathy.

[SpUnKy-BoLtOn]

I know of one kind of loc-tite that is meant to seal threads. thats what I was talking about. everoyne was talking about blue or red, not the special teflon loc-tite. heres a post from Dr.J, and airsmith that works for E-Paintball Outlet (the ppl that make rat impulses)

Originally posted by Dr J



Your half right....

Red, Blue, Green, and Purple loctite were not designed to form seals, they were made to hold metal fasteners (screws, bolts, rivets, etc.) in place

However, there is a Teflon version of loctite which is designed to make seals for all manners of metal tubes and pipes. I use it on my Rat and my angel (not that i ever play with my angel). If that's not available, using blue or red loctite is probably your next best option.


Hint... you can always re-loctite a part that you have used to weak a loctite on. It is much harder to remove and re-loctite a piece that you have used to strong a loctite on. For set screws, always use blue!

P.S. Im not looking for anyones "sympathy" here. why would I want sympathy from you??

[nole16k]

I have great respect for all air-smiths. I would never disagree with the things they say since they are qualified and I'm not. I'd like to point out, however, that he mentioned that red, blue, green, and purple Loctite were not designed to seal threads. This does not mean that they do not seal threads, but were not intended to seal threads. Notice he also said "using blue or red loctite is probably your next best option" and he was referring to sealing threads. I'm sure WARPIG also knows what they are talking about. Why would they display an article full of false information?

[nerdcore]

dang, there's all sorts of loctite.

and about it having sealing properties, my torpedo has the top & bottom halves sealed/adhered with blue loctite & it doesn't leak. so blue loctite must be able to seal, otherwise bl wouldn't use it like that. either that or the reg wouldn't leak there regardless of what is on the threads.

[SpUnKy-BoLtOn]

Yea. Still, use teflon tape tho. As he said, it isnt meant to be a thread sealer, and thats why they made a teflon version. All im saying is, is that if the other versions sealed perfectly, why would they have to make one specifically for that purpose? Im not trying to sound like an a*s , just sayin...

EDIT: To the guy above me, there are also o-rings on most fittings on the regs, or any other parts that are meant to seal for that matter.

[nerdcore]

Originally posted by SpUnKy-BoLtOn
EDIT: To the guy above me, there are also o-rings on most fittings on the regs, or any other parts that are meant to seal for that matter. well that i wouldn't know. i've never completely unscrewed the two halves.

[nole16k]

Originally posted by SpUnKy-BoLtOn
Yea. Still, use teflon tape tho. As he said, it isnt meant to be a thread sealer, and thats why they made a teflon version. All im saying is, is that if the other versions sealed perfectly, why would they have to make one specifically for that purpose? Im not trying to , just sayin... Yes, I do agree with you here. I always use teflon tape, unless it involves something like Cocker 3-way or ram barbs. I wouldn't waste my time w/teflon tape on a tiny barb. On the other hand, I prefer teflon tape w/larger air fittings.

[SpUnKy-BoLtOn]

Thisll be my last post on teh subject, but also from my personal experiences, when I tried to use loc-tite on a fitting, it still leaked. I loaded it up with loctite and everything, then when i tossed on some telfon it didnt leak at all.

plus it isnt wise to use it on fittings that you mite have to take off from time to time. thats a real pain id imagine.

[Army]

JFYI; BLUE Loc-Tite is a sealer. RED Loc-Tite is a locker.

When you use BLUE, you must allow some time for it to set. Using it, and immediately applying pressure, will result in a leak.

Next time, apply blue, screw in componant, allow to sit for about an hour or more before applying any pressure to the componant. Blue can be removed with only a little difficulty.

RED Loc-Tite will set up and get very hard, as it is designed to hold fast to the threads. Removing red is not easy, and can result in damage to your guns.

Teflon tape is not always correct. Their are two types of tape: Anti-Sieze, and Sealant. Most componants fail, because Anti-Sieze was used, which will rapidly shred under stress. When tape bits get into your markers' small passages and valves, performance is ruined.

When buying Teflon tape, be sure to read the side of the container. It will say what type it is.

[CountyPaintball]

If you have a marker with a solenoid (most of the higher end, electronic markers) do NOT use teflon tape. Small bits of teflon tape will eventually tear off and get sucked into the solenoid. Bob Long says using teflon tape on your Intimidator voids the warranty. If using one of these markers, loctite only. Do NOT use teflon tape.

For other markers, like Tippmann, Spyder, etc. it's usually fine to use teflon tape. I prefer loctite though. It just looks cleaner and is easier for me.

Mike