Why outlaw Retro Valve??

[Devestator]

Whats the deal???
Is everyone just afraid of the full fury of an automag or what :)

[aNtHrAx32]

I have no idea... I have the same question myself! The RT valve should be just as legal as any electronic gun... ANY!

[Halliday]

Due to it's reactive design, the valve almost shoots by itself. With time and tweaking, you can get it set up that you hold your finger in a spot and the trigger just bounces off, coming real close to full auto.

That's why all the rules. I have never played at a field that banned RT's, Mags or M98's, so it dosen't affect me.

[aNtHrAx32]

Still... that kind of think requires skill (which I don't have). Hrm... with an AGD frame, is it easier to do something like that? It's impossible with my damned Benchmark... the trigger is so heavy it doesn't even react!

[mamasboy99]

hey guys, have no fear, go to agdpaintball.org, and look at the intelliframe, next best thing to a rt valve, ur welcome....

[CRASHKING]

does that mean e-mags and micro e-mags are banned

[mamasboy99]

if it has a rt valve, its gone. btu the inteliframe is the SOLUTION, got agdpaintball.org, c'mon dont worry like little babys!

[aNtHrAx32]

Hrm... so my ReTro valve is going to waste?! I bought my gun used from w00tw00t, and he didn't have the original valve for it. Will I have to buy a new stock valve to use my gun in some tournaments?

[Devestator]

can a reg stock valve keep up with a booyahh? and what is shootdown?

[frosty4223]

who outlawed the rt valve, when?

[Magadeth]

I think its just a silly rumor. As far as I know, no official paintball organization has banned the rt. I keep hearing people asking about it, but am getting sick of it because I have yet to see any proof of any such action.:pissed:

[mamasboy99]

how many times do i have to say this....my field owner told me that the nppl and the insurance companies dont think its safe! its not a rumor, he said all his tournys and his friends will not let them have the rt valves. goshhhhhhhhhh, ok, so listen to that and dont keep sayin its a dar n rumor! Just get the intelliframe! lol

[aNtHrAx32]

My prob is I already have a ReTro, and no classic 'Mag valve... dah!

[SIGSays]

wouldn't electronics be more dangerous?? i'm pretty sure when you use a rt valve your gonna shoot 20 bps more than electros and there gonna fly at the other guy at 2,000 fps

[Richy_C]

No, you havemore control over an elctro pneumatic marker, but rts are wild, and nearly uncontrolable if you set it that way. The RT should not be as legal as any electro, electros have a setable ROF, rts don't.

[aNtHrAx32]

I still wanna learn how to best tweak my ReTro... :D I can already do about 8 bps, but in VERY short bursts (of 8, lol), but I heard that through tweaking it can be made virtually full-auto.

[SIGSays]

well............. will the people that are banning the rt valve willing to pay for the rt valves bought by the people that bought rt valves and rt's and rt pros?? i thought so............ they should have looked at the produt before it came out then said if it was legal or not

[mamasboy99]

ok, whatever you want, keep your rt valve, but just so you know you can buy something better and actually field legal the intelliframe, agdpaintball.org. but there are also smart parts and ans and many other valves for mags at web sites like skan-line.com and such.

[aNtHrAx32]

Dude, agdpaintball.org isn't even a site!!! And the trigger frame is good, but it in itself is not better than an RT valve.

[Halliday]

Copied from WARPIG's online NPPL 2001 rulebook:

www.warpig.com/paintball/tournament/nppl/2001rules.shtml

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5.2 MARKERS

5.21. The definition of a trigger is the moveable lever or button that comes in contact with the finger. The contacts of a switch will not be considered to be a trigger. A trigger pull requires an exertion of force by the finger on the trigger and a release of force by the finger on the trigger during every firing cycle. Markers may fire at any rate of fire, and may shoot any number of paintballs, provided that it fires in semi auto or pump mode only, which means that no more than one paintball is discharged during each firing cycle.
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No I'm not a rules lawyer, but that does NOT seem to ban RT's. The way most RT's would be set up would seem to fit within the "release" part of the rules. Setting up the trigger where you hold your finger in one spot and the trigger bounces off could be a violation.

So, what I'm trying to say is: Do any of you really play in NPPL tourneys? Do you play in tourneys that have banned RT's? Do you play at fields that have banned RT's?

Yes: Don't buy one.

No: Buy one if "That's your bag Baby." For me, I have never been at any field or tourney that has banned RT's.

[mamasboy99]

oohhhh, my bad, its automags.org, lol go there...

[DefiantMan3901]

Well it is pretty stupid to say it is outlawing RT's the rules don't say that and if you have tweaked with it, it should just be like anyother gun. One pull and release one fire, thats how it is on my brothers RT pro so i don't see what the big deal is. And a note you can make electros do that (find the sweet spot and let the kick fire the gun) one of my friend did it to an Impulse so are they outlawed too?

[SIGSays]

5.4 PROHIBITED EQUIPMENT

5.41. Prohibited equipment includes listening devices, communication devices and any form of electronic surveillance device, incendiary devices, smoke producing devices, red paint, paint which is toxic and not biodegradable and paint which has a shell, fill or both altered or augmented in any way.
5.42. Anything not specified in Sections 5.01 through
5.34, inclusive, as permitted shall be prohibited unless allowed by the ultimate judge.


this is the list of stuff prohibited and i don't see anything on retro valves.......... or responsive triggers

rt valves should be considered as equipment

[CRASHKING]

to my understanding all that is happening is you have you trigger held in one spot and it goes back and forth real quick almost automatic which means one ball is being fired each trigger pull. am i right or not. :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[mamasboy99]

guys just go ask yer field owner. he'll/she'll tell you.

[Canibus]

i know a kid that had an rt but he didnt do that he barred it and for those who dont know what that means is he made a custom peice of metal that went behind the trigger and it would fired fully auto

[Shoe3]

This is off http://www.airgun.com/faq.html#genfaqs
Q. I heard the AUTOMAG RT was banned from a tournament. Is this true? What's going on?
A. There was a one-tournament ban on the RT, but the National Paintball Association (which provides insurance for paintball fields) has finished its review and has lifted the ban. The RT is legal while operating in semi-automatic mode. It's illegal only when it is operating in full-auto mode and this usually happens only when modifications have been made to the RT.

[Bob Mundon]

the RT will never be considered full auto. i mean hell, you can buy things that bounce the trigger back on semi auto rifles and make them fire like full auto, but are completely legal and not considered full auto. as long as the trigger returns forward and has to be pulled back again to fire, its not full auto.